Comparing all CMS providers (no wordpress)
 

Sup guys,

I'm only in the starting blocks of starting my own tube site, but thought to myself it would be wise to do proper research before getting in business with some cheap and flawed software. I have yet to find a curated list with all the CMS providers, thus I will be creating one.

I am curious to find out which one you use and why you prefer it over specific other ones. So with no further delay here we go:

1. PornCMS: low-cost, monthly
Starter pack = 50/month for the CMS with all modules and VPS hosting with 50 GB space and 1TB bandwidth. 30 days money back guarantee. No demo site.

2. Elevated X: medium-high cost, one-time
299 gets you the CMS + 5 themes. Themes are okay, but not a perfect optimization and responsiveness (doesn't scale to my laptops resolution, auto preview is choppy). Demo site available, admin panel not too shabby. Slow setup (1 week).

3. StagCMS: medium-high cost, monthly
150/month gets you CMS+ 1 theme. Theme is nice, good optimization and good responsiveness. Demo site available without admin panel (screenshots of it look more modern and easy to use than competitors).

4. masCMS: crazy expensive
4600 for lifetime license. Thereafter annual fee of 750. Little info. Pictures of standalone client show oldschool-like graphics.

5. BuranCMS: cheap, free/monthly
Free with traffic skimming or 5/month. Sales site seems badly maintained but fast response via Telegram. Demo site upon request, several available templates. Features barely reported on the site page. No apparent automated payment-delivery process. Legit? Partner deal with Mojohost

6. AVSCMS: Free/Medium-high cost/Expensive?, lifetime
Free basic license or all-in. Unclear if the current price of all-in is 390 or 195. Gives me some bad vibes that they can't even get the price right on the order page... 1 included theme, seems ok, admin panel not readily accessible. Feature list seems nice.

7. KVS: medium-expensive, lifetime
299 if you want an acceptable amount of modules as the 99 version is really barebones. Free themes available, but optimization not perfect for all browser resolutions. Admin panel is extensive and rather overwhelming, outdated UI. Several paid EXPENSIVE themes. Sales site modern and well-maintained. Several reasonable partner deals with hosting providers.

8. MechBunny: expensive, lifetime
399. Demo panel looks quite generic and seems to have special features compared to KVS. Not sure if KVS has randomization of content display, but that doesn't justify 100 bucks imo. Admin panel not readily available


So there's that. I honestly haven't decided with which provider to go with. The price-quality balance would be great if Buran CMS is legit, so I'm currently leaning towards that one to start out with. Alternatively I could go with KVS, but managing things in the admin panel seems kind of messy.


PS: WordPress preachers, please stay out.

Cheers

May I chip in my :2 cents:

You really need to redefine your definition of 'Expensive'...

Even your 'Most Expensive' one, @ 399 is just a drop in the ocean in the overall scheme of things. Trying to get into this biz 'On A Budget' for the most minimal amount of money possible, isn't going to be a recipe for any real measurement of success...

OK, there's the argument that if you haven't got it, (money) then you just haven't got it, and that's OK, but that's what WP is there for - To get you started and earning money... So you can 'upgrade'

So, no, Im not preaching WP, but if you feel that 399 is too expensive, then perhaps rethink your plans? 399 is a drop in the ocean in this biz. I was paying more than that a month just for my server when I first started. No CMS included!

Good Luck :thumbsup

this ^^^^^^^^ :thumbsup

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These terms are always relative. I surely would be calling a 20 dollar coffee from a woke barista expensive, even though 20 bucks isn't a whole lot of money. Same thing goes for a CMS.

If you had spend a few more seconds to read my post, you would have noticed that the most expensive was 4600. I listed MechBunny as expensive relative to KVS, as it doesn't seem to be any better but the contrary at first sight.

I kindly invite you to write your experience on any of the above CMS, WP excluded.

Apples & Pears mate - You are talking about buying a coffee as a customer - I am talking about owning a chain of coffee shops, selling the $20 coffee to the customers.

I meant realistic expensive for someone just starting out - If you already have a portfolio of members sites, all generating income, and you wish to group them together, under one CMS, the perhaps masCMS is what you are looking for?

But reading your post, you are not in that position - You are just starting out, and are looking for a CMS to run a tube site. Again, Apples & Pears.

How do you intend to get your content? Embedding from other tubes? Nothing wrong with that - So that's what you need to look for in a CMS - Unfortunately, some of the most popular cheap plugins / packages that specifically do just that, are for WP - But they are ruled out, as you do not wish to use it.

I have never needed a CMS. So I cant give you personal opinions of ANY of the scripts you listed - Not even WP really - What I am trying to do, is to offer 'Big Picture' advice - That's all.

Again, Good Luck :thumbsup

Too right. I wouldn't pay $20 for a CMS either. I could get a coffee from a recently sleeping lawyer for that.

Are you the guy who said you wanted to curated videos of porn you like? Why not do a blog, and no I don't mean Wordpress, calm down. Relax. Take a deep breath.

A blog is a piece of piss if you are sincerely into a subject; post videos you like and why you like them, and you'd get like minded people following the site and commenting or suggesting other shit.

Depends what you want though. If you want a real site, with real visitors/community, or you just want to cosplay as Pornhub to nil effect, like a million people before you.

Here a list and reviews

https://pornwebmasters.com/adult-tube-scripts

You are a wreck.

Anyone know if HClips aka Privatehomeclips is using a publically available script and theme?

The speed of responsiveness and scalability of the speed to other devices is the best I have seen to date. The preview play starts even faster than xhamster, and when I view it on my ipad the preview play works just as great as it does on desktop (haven't seen a single tube aside from the big 3 where it does that without any issues or stutters).

thats really a mix of ones you cant compare with each other, like mechbunny vs porncms and elevantedx, they are 2 different things, ones for a members area, ones a tube cms

also why is mechbunny labeled as expensive for 399?

i remember buying my first copy of mechbunny for 1500 in its early stages.

more benefits of PornCMS:

A. PornCMS now has automated captions in 9 languages.

:drinkup READ PORNCMS LATEST NEWS
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B. the new 2023 beta PornCMS V7 also has a cool art editor.

:xomunch WATCH PORNCMS FEATURE VIDEOS
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C. most important reason to check out PornCMS: i don't give a :censored about money. i care about working with cool and smart people.

are you cool and smart people? :smokin

:2 cents:

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Also Mechbunny comes with unlimited domain license, KVS packages include license for 1 domain.

No offense, but you really need to rethink your business plan if any of these are expensive...

First off, you are not just paying for a piece of software - you are paying for support as well. You are paying for someone to be there when something breaks and you are paying for someone to answer your questions, help you modify things to your needs and so forth. Secondly, there is the comfort factor - all of these CMSes do similar things but each has its own interface which may be more comfortable for you to use then a different one.

Third the cost of the software at $150-400 for most of what you need to run an *entire business* is ridiculously cheap especially for the ones that are a one time cost. If these cost 10x that it would be an extremely cheap entry point to fire up a business. Try opening even a stupid bakery or something and you will spend $5000 just on shelves to store the bread you bake let alone ovens and other stuff you'd need. We run 2 dental clinics as well - I have spent millions of dollars on medical equipment, commercial property, renovating them from zero, air conditioners, computers etc. As the old saying goes - you have to spend money to make money. Using the cheapest hosting will bite you in the ass, too.

I can't speak for the other ones, but people have been using our software for 10+ years, and there are people that are running hundreds of sites off of a *one-time payment* they made 10+ years ago. The software also does tons more then it did 10 years ago and people have gotten those updates for free. There are sites running our software that I know for a fact have changed hands for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yep, beside maybe mascms dont think any of listed CMS is too expensive. Not to mention when you compare it to mainstream CMS scripts, where cost sometime can go up to million, it's super cheap.

bro that is why i switched PornCMS to included hosting awhile ago. all those people getting your updates for free and reselling their sites also pay monthly for hosting. bundle the hosting and you can at least get some recurring income.

providing the hosting also lets you do other things like share resources between sites. we have a couple dozen streaming media servers and all sites get to use them. so even a little $50 a month site will have fast streaming video.

i also built dedicated video conversion servers and download servers. none of that overhead is on the front-end servers or media servers.

if you don't provide hosting, you are putting your client's server management in the hands of some hosting company that gives zero shits about the end user experience. a dedicated host isn't looking at your log files or your passfiles for problems. they are only watching their machines. your machines are there to serve the visitors!

we built a comprehensive security system that looks at each site and server log every minute, then looks at the whole network for bigger problems. we catch password sharing and hackers at the network level and ban them from media access within minutes. those Chinese intrusion attacks happening to every adult site all day long? we send them to hell within minutes. they never affect the end user experience.

in my opinion, you need to provide hosting too :pimp

#porncms

Thanks for the advice - but keep in mind we are really hitting two different markets. You are doing paysites and we are doing mostly tubes. A paysite wont get the traffic or even have a fraction of the bandwidth usage as a tube, and thus the risk/reward is someone doesn't pay is much worse when you dont have your own infrastructure and aren't paying huge bandwidth commitments anyways. Someone might get a sudden surge to their tube, use thousands of TB in bandwidth and decide not to pay - i'd suddenly be on the hook for a ton of money but at the same time not enough to litigate internationally for.

It's of course different if you are a webhost and have your own infrastructure. Webhosts buy their bandwidth in blocks so they are paying weither they're clients are using it or not - that same client that doesn't pay is just lost profit, not an out of pocket cost like it would be for me. They'd be out of pocket the server cost but would just resell it to another customer down the line later anyways.

That's why having a deal with Mojohost like we do works for us rather then trying to do it ourselves.

in my opinion the bandwidth costs objection ended at least 10 years ago. only the greediest hosts (aka adult hosts) charge for bandwidth these days. data center connections and network equipment can handle a lot more than they could a decade ago. most mainstream hosts don't charge bandwidth anymore on dedicated servers (esp bare metal). the only hosts i see charging outdated fees like bandwidth are US hosts. they are all way behind Europe.

:2 cents:

shit i keep forgetting to comment that yes i agree. all of these CMS have their best use cases. clients have used PornCMS for a tube, but the price is probably prohibitive, even as the cheapest on the list lol.

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Which company? I'm paying $600 a month for CDN right now... free bandwidth? Can you hook me up?

can you install and manage your own servers? admins pay less :D

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Yes. I do everything myself currently on AWS. Except media server and CDN.

yea AWS is probably the worst option for adult hosting.

check out web hosting talk's dedicated hosting page. lots of server deals with unlimited bandwidth.

i'd post a link but its against the rules.

i can post a google link tho :upsidedow

https://www.google.com/search?q=web+...icated+servers

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Or a bit.ly link... That's technically a redirect, so... :winkwink:

Elevated X isn't a one-time fee, its a monthly cost ($299 I think) forever while you use it.

don't forget this one: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...wordpress.html

only took him 10 minutes to make from scratch and free. :thumbsup


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Still, comparing traffic usage of a tube vs a paysite is night and day.

Any tube that has 100k+ visitors a day will eventually need a video CDN if they don't want their servers/media storage devices to bottleneck.

You may be able to get by with a network of servers dedicated to serving content, but at some point, you'll plateau and need to make the switch to a CDN. THEN bandwidth becomes an issue and it's expensive.

you would save a alot of money u sing a cdn through an adult host like mojo, or any other. probably at least half of what you are paying.

what's wrong with wordpress?

I'm paying $0.005/GB for CDN. My server cost $22 per month.

i have used a few of those or worked on them. KVS go play with the admin. you can't get lost in there that is bullshit! :1orglaugh top nav takes you back to familiar.

so just curious, what is your definition of a CDN, and part two, curious why you *don't* think its a bunch of dedicated media servers?

its like people who think a cloud isn't just a bunch of servers working together.

yes there is a difference between tubes and paysites. i've hosted both. not at pornhub levels, but none of you own pornhub.

either way, AWS isn't the right solution for porn.

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what's your daily visitors and revenue? your cost stat doesn't mean anything.

edit - the math says that is 4.4TB of transfer. we do that hourly.

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70k daily visitors, $4-5k rev. I post my stats here often. :)

Edit. As I was saying. I will happy move to you if you can really provide free bandwidth LOL

Edit. 3 TB daily CDN. That price also include 5 TB of object storage.

https://i.imgur.com/EDWm62D.png

5 OVH servers would be cheaper than $600 and they have unlimited bandwidth. you can put them all over the world.

https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/bare-metal/prices/

hosts that aren't scammy ripoffs charge you for the connection, not the transfer.

there's dozens of decent baremetal hosts around the world.

ps. PornCMS is not a hosting company. we offer a hosted CMS. we don't host other applications unless requested by an existing CMS client.

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Thank you for your recommendation.

OVH won't sell me bare-metal! LOL

If you look at their policy. You need to be existing customer. And use their server for period of time until you can buy bigger server. This also applied DigitalOcean.

Hetzner banned me for using too much resources.

I tried many "hosting" companies. And ended up using AWS!
If you know what you're doing it will be cheap.
I don't need to wait or contact anyone.

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that's a fucked up story. no love from the hosting companies :Oh crap

your bandwidth doesn't seem too extreme that it would raise a resources flag on anything but a shared server or VPN.

hetzner says there is no bandwidth limit:
https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/gener...h%20limitation.

what was their specific complaint?

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No reason. They said it's their policy to not disclose why customers are banned!

PS. I only use 1vCPU and 4GB of RAM server running a site 70k daily visitor.
That's why it's so cheap.

yea media is the heavy load. you are on VPS tho. did you have a root server at Hetz? they don't have unlimited bandwidth on shared/cloud.

this thread is now about hosting LOL

(probably more relevant here than CMS choice)

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I remember when i bought nats outright. You have to build a solid foundation. Then start looking for people.

hetzner is a good host for vps, its much cheaper for the cpus/mem compared do linode/DO/aws

Thanks for the replies guys. Happy to see that it also sparked some interesting discussions.

I decided to go with KVS in the end. But as feared/predicted I already ran into technical issues regarding uploading files, and it seems that KVS support is ran by a single guy.

Would be wholesome if someone of you guys helped me get out of the starting blocks a little. Drop me a message if you want to help me out a bit :)
- I will put your link on my frontpage for the next 3 months (as long as you arent serving malicious adds)

Best regards

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starting a tube site in 2023 is what is wrong in your market research here

For prototyping Wordpress is unbeatable.

I have used two of the CMS mentioned above, Elevated X and Mechbunny.

At the time we used it Elevated X was problematic as the license was only for a single machine, so there were issues with migrating existing sites from different servers. If you were starting fresh it would be suitable. Is it expensive? Not in itself but templating can be an issue.

Mechbunny is the CMS I want to use, but there is no off the shelf paysite template available that I could find. And the guy who I had lined up stopped supporting it. So the cost of templating can be an issue. If Mechbunny had a general paysite template it would rule this discussion.

So when I have an idea in the middle of the night I am constructing a responsive front end tour and a backend Wordpress members area. Easily done in a day.

I don’t believe in this woke future where people will be consuming less porn.

Yes this! I love how easy it is to customize WordPress just the way I want it

im on the 8cpu, 16gb memory vps and i love it. only been a customer for 3 months now, but no complaints.

That’s so cool! I’m happy to hear you’re finally onboard. Please don’t hesitate to contact me directly if you ever want to talk about it.

Brad

you mean MB would rule in a competition between elevatedX and Mechbunny? you are right on that one! is anyone still working at eX? :1orglaugh

PornCMS was built for paysites. it includes a plug-and-play paysite template and includes free billing installation. you just need a biller.

this template below came from Zuzana and we installed it over a weekend. very easy. the client is moving several sites from another cms.

privateplaygroundxxx.com

custom paysite designs are easy with PornCMS. service and labor is cheaper than anyone else.

:2 cents:

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