Should i get NATS ... help me decide...
 

is nats worthless if you arn't planning on cascading? my only option is to use paycom...

but are the other features worth the 1500 dollar one time fee + 150/month?

mainly stats... since paycom stats are complete garbage.... i wan't to know how my tour is doing.... and that kinda stuff... and make it easier for affiliates.... but is it worth 1500 ??

basically i'm just REALLY choked at paycoms garbage they call stats....

any suggestions/ideas?

Here is a bump for you bud.... Curious to hear this myself..........

nats is awsome.. we use it.. hit me up :thumbsup

bump......

As a non-paysite owner i fucking hate nats. Not because its nats that it is bad, but i dont want a check for each paysite i promote. I promote like 40 paysites, if i break the minimum check limit on 20 of these sites every 2 weeks i'd have to go with 20 checks every 2 weeks to the bank. In addition, i have to pay a $12 fee per check to cash it. Im avoiding nats sites for sure since i just want to get 1 check from ccbill for all sites i promote through ccbill at once.

What is they offer epassporte payments?

As far as the question. Yeah epoch stats suck ass. And why not add ccbill as well? You only have to fill in some papers, and you are done.

But I would take nats to see at least some stats yes. Or maybe have one custom written, since you won't use 99% of nats features...

don't you have epassporte?

i can't add ccbill... i'm in canada... i had to incorporate in the US just to be able to get paycom... but ccbill requires the Principle owner of the company to live in the states....

so you think i should have custom affiliate stats coded?

any other stats alternatives?

NATs would at least help you organize what you have already. What are your other options?

dunno... thats why i thought i'd ask here...

but the response i'm getting is that, unless i'm doing cascade billing it wouldn't be totally worth it

Wouldn't that be ANY non-biller based programs including other software packages and any custom coded solution.

Basically you're saying you avoid any company handling their own checks?

SoS, I saw you already opted for NATS in another thread...what a rube!!!

You're just starting out. In the beginning keep your overhead low. Don't expect overnight success, and especially don't expect some third party solution to be your magic bullet.

You are already facing an uphill battle - don't make it harder right from the get go, by purchasing overkill software for what your immediate needs are. It will be the same price (or lower) when you actually need it, and when you have proven that you can afford it.

Oh well, too late I guess. Be patient, and work diligently on your own marketing first Grasshopper.

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i agree with you, but this was a necessity... had some affiliates who were sending traffic complain about not being able to see any stats.. and also the conversions are sucking hardcore.. but i can't identify where the problem is because paycom doesn't show any stats... at least this way i'll be able to indentify where the problem is.. plus... i would be getting something like this down the road anyways so doesn't hurt too much to buy it right now :)

When you see NATS in action first hand and the main things it does for you and helps you handle you'll realize how wrong he is :)

Pick something that's fully customizeable, also a no lease option which saves you from ~$2k to $8k a year in costs

PBucks John is a NATS shill. Check his past posts - it's mostly NATS drivel.

What may be good for a well established program may not necessarily be good for a person just starting out with a single model site (which can be fraught with plenty of it's own pitfalls).

Anyway, I offered you free advice. Take it or leave it.

Either way, good luck.

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i appreciate your advice, and would love to talk with you tomorrow or soon if you're on.... i saw your post about emailing you in the other thread... its 6am right now and i've been up all night from this stress.. i'm gonna get some rest and hit you up tomorrow...

night everyone

edit: btw i don't have your email.... icq me with it

Guessing you mean "source included" with "fully customizeable" because NATS is customizeable in basically all aspects.

A coder that could customize that thing for you would cost you well over $8k a year...

Also, do not forget, even with a source solution, you would still have to pay for support because of your coder(s) asking questions to the original writer of the app and so on (if you can even reach the original writer, which would of course be even worse if you could not)

nats will give you a lot more insight into your program and it's cheap rental price can't be beat. If you have more money i would get ES because you can get the full source code

Uhm...

Everyone knows John is one of the owners of Too Much Media, the makers of NATS, who here is pretending he is not associated?

Also, before you actually know NATS, and I do not think you know it at all (correct me if I am wrong) from an admin standpoint, do not judge what it can or can not do... It does more than you can imagine...

YARGH! It be good advice. Sam, ADGson know what he tawkin' about.

NATS needs a payout history on the programs that use it

We are finishing it for v2.1 currently.

Awesome :upsidedow

huh? Who charges the $12?!?! The bank, or the crackas? I've never heard of something like that. Definately would be a turn off. Fucking-a. Any of these companies who charge you to get your fucking money need a :321GFY .

Thanks for the personal insult. However, i'm not a "shill", I'm an owner. I'm not going to sit here and bicker with you. You're entitled to your opinion no matter how uninformed it may be.

He's in Holland, it would be his bank and it would be totally normal for EU banks to charge a fee for US checks.

If you buy a script from a company you can still customize and you still get support just there is no monthly fee. See it is as buying NATS in 1 time or EX from Bradshaw

It's the bank who charges here in Holland :2 cents:

Thats why I promote sponsors with e-passporte payouts

I was only going on your propensity to make posts promoting NATS, not on your Alexa stats:

Traffic Rank for personalbucks.com on Alexa:ha 2,120,813

ADG Webmaster

You really do not get it right? He is a NATS OWNER.. of course he promotes NATS. Do you not promote ADG?!

before i go to sleep...

latest developement , i have purchased nats.... and will now be able to actually see how my tour is doing now.... lol :thumbsup

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=492901

:) :) :) :)

Yes, it's a webmaster program :)

I do quite fine income wise hence my driving a Lamborghini and owning a 7 figure home, but thanks for your concern over my success in this industry and webmaster program's alexa ranking.

Of course I'm going to make positive NATS posts as I'm an owner.

Again, I'm not going to sit here and bicker with you. I've got better things to do and you've proven your intellegence. Bye!

You drive a Lamborghini and own 7 figure home and yet you don't pay your afilliates on time:

That's surely something to be proud of. You are living high on the hog while not paying people you owe on time. I'm sure all of your affiliates will be happy to know that.

Honestly, I have nothing against NATS. I simply think software such as that is for programs that already have proven that they can afford and need such software, not for some newbie simply trying to get off the ground.

Apparently you know more than me though, so therefore SoS should seek only your advice, afterall he is now helping to pay for the lifestyle that you like to brag about.

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Nice :glugglug

I replied to the same exact thing in the other thread. Doing this in two threads is getting pointless. As I said there, a number of programs and even some payment processors payout several weeks or a month after the period.

Wait until you're making a profit off your site before going with affiliate software. Yeah, Paycom stats suck but people will deal with it. I know of a fairly big program that only migrated to internal stats just this past year and used paycom stats for over 2 years. This company was doing over $1mil in sales a year before switching over.

As long as the site converts and retains nobody will care if the stats suck. Money talks :)

Then maybe you should send more, better, traffic and make more than the bare minimum on these sites? Then you'll be cashing larger checks.

get some joins first,then decide

I agree totally.

I think adding Paycom as a billing option in a cascade is going to make you more money. But it is like using solar panels on the roof of a home, it will make you money, but cost you more upfront. If you can afford to buy NATS and add Paycom to the cascade, you will be making more money and paying this venture off faster in the medium to long run.

strange about paycom though, we are in the process of adding them to our cascade but fuk their site and admin does suck. Cant work it out, a company like paycom generating millions in revenue .... and having the worst stats I ever seen. Design of the site is awfull to. But hell if they process well who gives a fuck. :2 cents:

Sos, sorry I missed this thread, NATS at your stage was a mistake. It's not going to help you breakdown where your lack of conversions are coming from, not any more than a simple counter would have already. And as you mentioned with not being able to offer CCBill, the benefit of cascading is largely lost on you.

There should be some grace period, and the NATS brass must understand that this is a 19-year old guy with his FIRST solo-girl paysite ever, and refund/cancel your order until you're ready. There is no way in good conscience they should allow that sale to go through, it's the proverbial using-a-shotgun-on-a-fly.

So your translation is we should refuse to sell to people based on age or whether or not we feel they are "ready" for it?

We've refunded people before who have fallen through after they've paid us and we'd do it again if we saw that the person made a mistake.

You shouldn't be assuming what he can/can't afford tho. And as far as it not helping him, you're way off base.

Wrong.

I'm saying that NATS people should do the right thing here. This is a kid who has zero paysite experience, literally none. This is his first paysite. GFY is a tight community, and while yes, it's great to make money off of us, it's also nice to have someone for once say "hey...I'd love to make the sale, but there's a better way..."

That's what I'm saying.

NATS is a great tool, I'll be purchasing it myself for a program that's launching in October, I endorse the product. I think everyone running a PROGRAM should eventually have it. Program meaning multiple sites, a large affiliate base, and established conversion/sale data.

But for a 19 year old with his very first paysite, getting his very first traffic from two affiliates, it's the equivalent of using an ICBM on New Zealand.

Not a knock on NATS at all, when you need to nuke it, no doubt it's great. But this is an arm wrestling tournament, no need to go to Defcon one.

As I told AWD, you don't know the details of any deal we may have worked out with him, etc. He felt it was affordable for him and he's going to give it a try. As I said, if he tanks, we'll look at what happened and possibly refund him. It will be usable by him, it will help him get going. It will give him tools (both cascading and not cascading related) that he can use.

Thank you for the support of our product, I really do appreciate it. I also feel tho that our $150/mo price allows those just getting started access to it, which is the case here with SoS.

Dang.. yeah.. I was gonna say I like promoting ccbill sites as well.... oh well... but yeah, paycom stats REALLY suck :)