5 Tops Questions About Illegal Tube Sites (drama alert)
 

1. If the content is uploaded by the people who own the site, aren't they already in violation of DMCA?

2. How are you supposed to sell something you've already given away?

3. Can porn ever go ad supported and just be 100% free?

4. How do you feel about tube sites that use stolen content to feed the "premium" members areas?

5. Will they be the death of our business?

Discuss...

sounds like a "paysite" to me.

and lawsuits.

One alternative WIN WIN situation: when dating programs buy out an adult production house and gives out full length videos for free (branded) distribution on tube sites in exchange for showing their affiliate ads for INTERACTIVE or "custom shot"/microniche content or cams or, of course, dating.

The internet gets bigger but the granularity gets even smaller

If people stopped fucking using youtube and other shit mainstream sites.
then it will fuck the adult tubes aswell.

If everyone stopped going on a about fucking tubes! then the keyword would no longer be popular!

Simple yet people on here that moan about them shit pieces of pipe.

still use youtube for videos and still go on about adult ones

STOP FUCKING MENTIONING THEM! AND STOP USING THEM!

Then they will die!

or,

Send them a coded flv with a virus attached to there servers and wipe them out,
and do it at a internet cafe.

Problem solved

I think if you have something good people will come to you anyway. But yeah, some tubes make it more difficult.

When I know something has just caught steam is when my non-porn friends know all of the sites names better than I do.

That's not going to work.

The newspaper industry learned, music industry is learning and the movie/Tv industry is still having to learn is the old ways are over. You're not putting the genie back in the bottle. So this whole "stop the tubes" stuff is a waste of time. Even a top music industry guy admitted that within a few years music will be free and basically be nothing more than promotional material to get people to go to concerts and buy t-shirts and other memorabilia

I don't just mean adult webmasters, i mean everyone.

Long shot yes, but utoob is shit! i don't even know why it got popular. loads of lame, fucking idiots that like talking to themselves on a webcam and idiots that go on there and just watch shit.

It's fcked!

I think the toobes done the opposite to something all other pornsites have been ripping people off with for years. "Free Porn"

Tubes actually give surfers free porn, most sites that used to pop up in google etc... a few years ago gave surfers a few pictures and maybe a 10 second video

That ain't what they wanted then, and it ain't what they want now.

The tubes just came along and picked this up by actually giving people free porn!

In some respects it's kind of the porn industries own fault they exist

Few days ago one of the largest host (mainstream) was bought down by DDOS.

May be we should develop a mass download app and setup a system like SETI, you know a legal DDOS :-)

yes that could be done.

This is what makes me laugh about the adult industry, everyone knows the most fucked up ways to do things, black hat, spamming, hacking, etc....

Yet nobody has done any of these things to these sites :(

Makes me LOL. especially when you can garauntee to almost 99.9% certain. that these tubes have done excactly the same thing to get where they are today.

evolution... for sure. death... doubtful.

the vcr didn't kill the movie industry
the internet didn't kill the music industry

respect.

What can you do? We work in a very short sighted industry. Free will never work as a long term business mode. Everyone forgets the net boom everything was going to be free the ads would pay for it all. It failed and that was mainstream. Eventually governments are going to start waking up and start banning all porn off the web. Because these tubes are seen by the outsiders as all part of our industry. Then people will wonder why.

Most my friends know porn tube sites names I never even heard of. It is killing industry "from within". The upload TUBES must go or else...

vcr didn't give away movies for free

Internet (pirate sites/P2P) cut music industries profits in half

respect? not for a lame arguement.

warez kills anything in its path

Yes, but only if that can be proved in a court of law. So realistically, no ones going to go through the trouble of trying to prove that. Sites can upload all the content they want.

You can't. In general, sales are declining for the entire porn industry and there is no breaking that trend. The only thing you can do is keep generating more and more traffic to compensate for worsening ratios.

No.

The term "stolen content" in 2009, is like using the word "gay" back in the 1950's. Back then it meant something completely different. Similarly, "stolen content" means something completely different now, than it did back in 1998. Tubes can "steal" all the content they want and get away with it, so long as they respect DMCA requests.

No. Smart people will always find ways to keep making money.

The movie industry was sure that the VCR would kill the movie industry... Remember, how you could rent and record movies. And then loan them to your friends?

iTunes came out of no where and revolutionized an industry that everyone thought was dead.

Respect, is... I have respect and compassion for all of those that are being hurt by these changing times. Respect is I respect you, please respect me.

Peace.
J.

Yeah, I totally see that side of it and have heard that argument before. The problem with porn is there is not really and concerts or t-shirts to sell. Nobody walks around wearing "Redtube" shirts or will ever see Redtube.com play live. Most people use porn 1 to X many times per day or week - wipe the sperm off the keyboard and go about their lives.

The "music industry" argument doesn't apply.

Let me guess you're all over tubes? lol

You are right. Also music will never be free. People keep forgetting it costs money to actually produce shit. It just doesnt fall from the sky.

I have one business that I have been running for 15 years... Started in print (letraset) graphic design, bought a computer in '93... then got into large format printing in '97, then moved to web design, then started studying seo in 1999. Killed the large format printing division and almost went bankrupt in 2000. Survived... Grew again... Killed print design. Started a mainstream dating site, it didn't really take off. Moved to adult... The other company doesn't do any adult work... Big focus on SEO and internet marketing.

And I'm here. Working hard and learning from you guys. Paying money to GFY...:helpme
:winkwink:

Thats cool.

Interesting topic, what's your opinions on tubes Jay? I know you don't run an illegal tube, but a tube nonetheless.

Their are torrent sites that are exact replica of VOD sites...take a look at http://www.pornorip.net/ . Why sites like this exist ? take a look at the advertisers.

do you ever see a Music label or Hollywood studio selling on a torrent site ?

No you never see that.

If whoever shot the content wants it there, they can push 2 hour free videos for all I care. Porn Memberships won't always be around, the biz will change, they all do. www.snizzshare.com and www.dickshare.com both are legal tubes, with short videos, hence the traffic is no Redtube for sure. I concentrate on SEOing small terms, so it makes a little cash, not much though.

You have to keep in mind that PORN is closet-case....most of the people watching it won't admit they watch it...so, there is no crossover.

The sad part is the industry is being killed from within.

:2 cents:

Nice, what's your opinion on www.4tube.com? By the looks of their Alexa (1,743) they are pushing some good traffic, but I checked and the longest video they have is 4m15s. So it is possible to be a high trafficked tube site with sponsor legal videos.

Were talking about Illegal Lube?

1) Operators of websites are exempt from DMCA if its user-submitted content (I believe). If the owners are uploading content, I would imagine that exemption wouldn't apply.
2) Sites like redtube are clearly able to.
3) See #2
4) Most of the ones I've seen are just whitelabels to VOD or something else. I believe pornhub is one of very few which is an actual premium section but my guess is that it backs to Brazzers content
5) No, but it will force a major change in the market in how porn is distributed.
WG

haha thats what i was thinking recently, a lumberjack friend who couldnt even start a browser asked me about "redtube" lol ( his gf starts the computer for him )

its because traffic brings se weight and the tubes are killing the se's right now so a common search that would have found a revolving door of tgp's is now a tube site where its all right there

We controlled vhs... we controlled the birth of the internet... we controlled the launch of DVD...

We dropped the fucking ball on streaming technology and the "tube" model...

We need to take back control... and develop the next big step.

how bout the dating companies that prepay ad buys in the 30k range.

without them, they wouldnt be able to pay for the hosting.

Or support someone who tries to do something about webmasters using illegal tube embeds. Something like [see signature] that gives them a HUGE advantage over just making the illegal tubes bigger by sending them traffic right on their adspots.

It sure as hell is, but the legal tubes should be supported by more sponsors. Its a vicious circle we need to be breaking. Trying to give webmasters the advantage by using legal videos, that stopping the "promotion" of illegal tubes on all free/dump sites, thus giving surfers more "promotion" to the legal tubes, who then can make more money especially when they are supported by the sponsors. Did i say, [see sig] yet?

LOL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh What is UP with your signature haha, hit me up buddy!

Tube sites steal our traffic/money. Kill them all :disgust

You're totally missing the point. You're not stopping the tubes. Did all the media companies stop youtube? No. Hell now you have Disney of all companies just signing deal to show some of it's content on youtube. And Disney would sue your grandma for putting Mickey Mouse on a cake without permission and a licensing fee.

1. If the content is uploaded by the people who own the site, aren't they already in violation of DMCA?
A: Yes, but try and prove they uploaded it. That's the hard part.

2. How are you supposed to sell something you've already given away?
A: You can't.

3. Can porn ever go ad supported and just be 100% free?
A: Yes, however the product models may need to change. Paysites would probably move to being more "Pay Per" than "Subscriptions".

4. How do you feel about tube sites that use stolen content to feed the "premium" members areas?
A: Premium Tube Site Password Trading Sites???? :)

5. Will they be the death of our business?
A: No

If google can make money from "free" well then so can adult..

SHANGHAI — Trying to gain ground in China, Google, the search engine company, said Monday that it had begun to offer links to free music downloads — a service it does not offer anywhere else in the world.

Google executives said they were responding to the phenomenal popularity of free music downloads in China, one of the few markets where the company lags, by forming an alliance with the music industry, including Sony, Universal Music and Warner Music.

The search engine company hopes the demand for music downloads will raise Google’s profile in China, which has already overtaken the United States as the world’s biggest Internet market with nearly 300 million users, and also help the company gain market share against its chief rival here, Baidu, the nation’s dominant search engine.

“This is a huge leap of faith for us,” Kai-fu Lee, the president of Google Greater China, said in a telephone interview Monday. “We hope this will move the landscape to a legal model.”

The deal, which was announced at a news conference in Beijing, is significant for Google and the global music industry because Chinese consumers are addicted to searching for music and downloading free music, often through illegal sites.

The full story here

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/te...ref=technology

The only way to halt the tubes is a change to the DCMA side.

Shit still f'ed Jay? Seriously, you should make the effort to contact me and see what I can do for you.... no games, bs crap - just results..

My clients don't complain about Tubes because sales are going UP - Sounds like you could use some of that magic touch.

Think outside of the box.

Adapt or die.

every industry is going through the same. how are they adapting?

people spend too much time on gfy and porn. get your mind outside of it.

no they are not in violation of the DMCA, they are however not protected by the safe harbor provision of the DMCA IF you can prove that is the case.

That being said, trading uploads/scraping uploads would still be protected by the Safe harbor provisions so only a world class moron would upload the content themselves.

you don't you sell something related, or USP

everything free will never happen, there will always be an upsell, there will be a USP that justifies paying (live interactions etc) however for all the rest absolutely yes.

I have no problem with it, but i am a traffic guy and i am not a whiney little bitch.
the fact is if you turned your content into a traffic source then, you would profit when they did this

no. If fact it will lead to even more money and more profits.

when the fair use right of timeshifting was established, vcr did give you tv shows for free. You could watch a tv show when you wanted how you wanted, you could skip the commercials (paid) and avoid the reruns.

It was only when the vcr was made legal did the movie industry start selling movies for home use. (making money from the technology)
actually average artist income has increased, it the record companies who take 90% of money that have lost money.
That being said, we are still in the pre-fair use stage of the technology. It is not being embraced or leveraged by anyone yet.
Once that happens everyone will make way more money.

Absolutely brilliant!

If they actually do not have the rights to host it.

It's just a sample if you want more than 1 scene you be signing up.

Not until you can get mainstream sponsors. Right now their is only a hand full of popular tubes that people want their ads on.

As that number grows ad rates will plummet.

I feel the same way about that as I do the rest of the tube site. \

It's wrong. It is likely taking money away from the people who produced and owned the content.. IF the "illegal tube" didn't work out a deal before hand.

No. People will ALWAYS buy porn. This Business can not die.

Their is 530 million people in North America alone.



XXXJay I suggest you get friendly with the guys running and supporting illegal tubes and get in on it.

This needs the US authorities to take 2257 seriously.

You can sell a bit of dating and cam sites to support the site and then a few joins to a few paysites.

I saw a thread on B&B about a Tube site asking for a one off donation of $5 minimum to keep it running and access to the full length scenes. Wondered if it worked. Tubes will never make the money a good to fair regular paysite will make, but it does not require the investment either.

Not and survive as an industry. Unless mainstream pay to advertise. Those telling people to adapt are usually saying, "Tighten your belt and live off less."

Pretty pissed off. The problem is solving the problem.

Unless people come up with a solution and AFFILIATES SUPPORT THEM, very likely the death as far as I've known it.

The last this we need is another thread to discuss it. We need concrete idea to solve the problem. But AFFILIATES HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM IDEAS.

There are ways to bring Tubes down. But like many cures they are a bitter pill to swallow. Don't swallow them and you get very sick.

Nice conversation going on here. Bump for more!

1. I don't think so.

2. People pay for convenience, higher quality, extremely niched out content. If it is free and but not one of the previous items they may be willing to pay for it. Also look at the open source model. Companies are making money off it.

3. It's certainly possible but I doubt it would ever come to that. Tube sites are moving more that direction though.

4. Stolen = Illegal. End of story.

5. It certainly changes the picture but it's impossible for such a large industry to be wiped out. There will always be demand for porn. Money has to be made some way or people won't be investing the time and energy in it. The key is finding it. If all the money is being made through illegal means that will eventually change. In general, nothing illegal can last long term. The movie industry is seeing the same issues and they are still around.