Vaccine kills girl hours after injection
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...-vaccine-facts

this girl was injected and died hours later, but hey "it couldnt possibly be from the vaccine" LOL :1orglaugh

over and over: "the vaccine is safe" "the vaccine is safe" "the vaccine is safe" "the vaccine is safe"

so, if this was your daughter would you be cool about it and think its still safe for girls to get the vaccine?

because that is the message the media is sending...

Thing is this kind of thing happens to certain people with just about every vaccine thats ever been made. The only time you hear about it though is when its a new vaccine, like this one or the swine flu vaccine.

this is understandable, however, if it kills, it kills. Repeating "this vaccine is safe' over and over, doesnt make it so. I have a daughter on the way, so I follow this stuff now, as for before i didnt care, now I do.

So rather then take the 1% risk you are going to take the higher risk and just let her get exposed to everything? Math is your friend and especially when it comes to parenting. If you worry about every non event, you will be the parent with his kid on a leash and that is not good either.

dont make this about me, its not. Simply reading the news.

are you a parent>?

Maybe she was kosher.

it's an allergic reaction perhaps.

yes, all over the new here. However, one out of the MANY that have it every year is a very small risk.

Yes, I would have my daughter have it and protect herself from cervical cancer. Imagine NOT having your daughter get it and watching her die of cervical cancer..a very not pretty death..because one allergic reaction scared you.

see this is the problem for me, everytime someone says this "either give it to her or she will die from cancer'; it makes me wonder how much of this angle is total bullshit.

i am beginning to actually see what others have said. its usually people without kids who want to tell others how to raise theirs LOL

sarah, do you have kids?

I cant imagine being forced to vaccinate a child and then having her die hours later... no matter how many people say its safe.

Something like 4600 suspected allergic reactions to the vaccine out of 1400000.

heres the kicker, a bunch of girls are sick at the school, although she is the only death so far, when flocks of girls are sick and vomiting from a vaccine and one dies, yeah it will tend to raise suspicions LOL :1orglaugh

Yep, I would have thought so :)

I have step kids from my first marriage that are now grown but weren't when I was married. Both are girls and both were sexually active before either myself or my husband would have liked. Therefore, prime candidates to be protected by anything aimed at cutting the risk of cervical cancer.

I am speaking as a woman on this one too. This is something that can help to prevent one of the most horrible forms of cancer a woman can get. When they started to implement it into schools, there were are many more people against it because 'girls shouldn't be encouraged to have sex' that there were those worried about the safety of the injections. I feel horrible for this girl and her family but the idea that it could be used by those people as a reason to pull it out of schools worries me.

You are correct about virtually every vaccine...if not every vaccine...kills someone...and this applies to virtually every type of medicine as well. You have to play the percentages when it comes to medicine and medical procedures.

And allergic reaction doesn't mean death.

Heck, a lot of women have allergic reactions to condoms. Some will even die from the reaction to the latex. There will always be somebody that reacts to things that the majority don't.

where are you people p[ulling ythis "allergic reaction" shit from, doctors dont even know how she died yet, saying its allergic is silly.

Either way, a death occured and something tells me if it was any one of your children, all of us would sing a didfferent tune but hey, since it doesnt affect us directly, sure inject all schoolkids, only so many will die.

a few lives to save the many right? LOL

hopefully on vaccination day, my daughter doesnt die so yours can live. LOL see how that works?

yeah, screw protecting women from cancer

well when "protecting" women from cancer ends in the death of YOUR child you cant expect everyone to just sit by and wave the pom poms while children are sick and dying.

its easy for folks like you and me to sit here and talk about this, but really, the death of a child is terrible. to lump this in to a roll of the dice downplays the importance of questioning man made vaccines as well as deminishs the value of the lives at risk.

It is always a roll of the dice when medicine...or medical procedures are involved. People die every year from over the counter medicines. People die every year from an allergic reaction to something they ate. People die every year from virtually everything imaginable.

poor girl, she gets the shot so she wont get cancer and she dies from it instead. Life is a paradox

wow youre like the only one in the thread ot even grasp that! you actually acknowlege her LIFE!

you deserve prize.

the mob will continue to shout "her life was meaningless, the ones we saved are valuable!"

yet this family now gets tossed to the side, family ripped apart by a medical gamble they had to make because hey "she might die from cancer" - And people want to inject another million kids this week LOL

amazing.

i wonder how many years she would have lived had she just took her chances at life LOL

^ is about all that need to be said

Wasn't suggesting it did. Just putting some figures into the discussion.

The figures are what was being reported in the media yesterday. The key word in the original post being 'suspected'.

Please point out where the "mob" shouted that "her life was meaningless, the ones we saved are valuable!"...I missed that part. I also missed the part where anyone said she had an allergic reaction...please point that out as welll.

You know, I think this kind of talk is just as much a scare tactic that then scares people..in this case women ..from NOT getting protected. That gets me just as worked up as you are for your own reasons.

If MY child died in such a circumstance, yes I would be amazingly upset and I would want an investigation into why MY child died when all the others that had the same batch did not. However, I would like to think that I wouldn't then try to stop other young women from getting protected when obviously the majority aren't dropping dead the moment they have a shot.

Hate to tell you but life is a roll of the dice. MY child could eat a blueberry and die from some reaction. I am not going to go on a campaign to stop all other kids from eating blueberries. Try to figure out why MY child reacted would be energy better served in my view.

But hey, only people with actual biological children can have a view.

gotcha, i think the one figure I am concerned about now is, if she had not been vaccinated and killed, how many years would she have lived?

Are we so afraid that we are willing to thow away this girls entire life, just so we can inject a million girls with a vaccine to make Gardasil rich?

There is a very good chance this girl could have lived to be 100 and never gotten cancer. But the fear mongers carrying cancer flags got her family to inject her and now her life is gone.

I dont think parents have the right to end a childs life out of fear.

i dont think schools have a right to inject children.

and it goes on and on... but the main thing that MUST be asked, is how long would she had lived without this vaccine?

Chances are, a long happy life.

Women lived without this vaccine for thousands of years....sorry, I have to agree that this vaccine is way strange to me. The cause for cervical cancer is not limited to sexually active girls.

I never got a swine flu shot back in the 70's (lots of people died from that one) and wont ever get a flu shot..neither have any of my kids.. OMG..they are still alive and have a great immune system. My daughter doesnt have cervical cancer .

It seems the pharm companies are finding more demographics to market than the typical hyporchondriac sitting in front of the TV.....sickening.

hey girl we were just wondering where you been!!

The swine flu vaccinations in the 70's brought rise to many cases of normally rare Gillian-Barre (it was proven there was a link). I am not going to have myself or my family vaccinated for swine flu this time around either, I prefer not to take a risk with my children. As for the gardisil or whatever it is, that's all fine and well and good, but it's a much better option to me in my mind to teach my children when they are of age about things like safe sex, the dangers that lurk, and how to protect themselves. Most cases of hpv are directly related to risky sex, forwarned is forarmed.

i gotta make up with stickyfingers now though, we had this vaccine discussion in the past and now I feel more like he does about this shit.

lol

sticky you readin this? i see your point now dogg, lets shoot anyone who tries to touch the kids brah

Drinking diet coke can cause cancer, leading a generally unhealthy lifestyle can cause cancer, walking down the road can cause cancer, everything causes cancer these days, aside from the obvious ones like smoking. Cancer is an uncontrolled division of cells, it can be triggered by any mutagen that moves repressor genes further away from oncogenes. We live in a stew of mutation-causing crap, what more is to be expected? However, mutation is also nature's way of helping the evolutionary process along. The idea of exposing one's self to potentially unneccessary vaccinations is merely a stop-gap measure. Some illnesses (read mutations) even serve a positive purpose (such as people afflicted with sickle-cell anemia having a natural protection from maleria). Not saying it's nice that people die from stuff like that, but the more we mess with mother nature, the more nasty ways she finds to mess back.

still west coastin it brother...and I see you have a baby on the way. Do I get to be Aunt Betty?

Dont mess with mother nature!!!! :thumbsup

hey I know many have strong feelings about this, but nowhere did I say only people with biological children can have a view.

All I did state was I have noticed now what others have told me in the past. Its people without kids who speak the loudest about what others should do or shouldnt do with their kids. That was all. I asked if you had kids, becuase I was curious if you did... I have no idea if you do or dont.

I used to be one of those without kids telling people how to raise them, now I am wearing their shoes. Its easy to sit back and say what others should do, but unless you are in their shoes its hard to grasp the circumstances.

One thing is for sure though: a healthy young girl walked into school, got a shot, then died.

her life was ended and it was from a vaccine she did NOT have to undergo. She could still be alive and I know that thought will haunt the parents for the rest of their life.

"if we had not injected her, she would still be here"

that is fact.

Doc says wouldn't give the FLU Vaccine to his children.

Vaccines are child abuse.

due nov 22nd. just about ready to come out the oven!

i am in the process of painting her room and stuff pink LOL tons to do, have to sand and painthuge areas still

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Seems like too much of a risk for the disease its trying to stop :2 cents:

no kidding, the look on his face is like "hell fucking no" i wouldnt give it to my kids.

LOL

he makes the vaccine sound more toxic than cancer :1orglaugh

yeah, the time flew by.

we are in the final stretch now and I swear it was like yesterday we found out she was preggos.

cherry is sleeping but when she gets up ill point her to your email here... shes been sleeping in lately. She went from a very small petitie thing to big momma lol

Do yourself a favor and stay away from the websites of those theorizing that vaccines cause autism. I drove myself crazy for a while too.

Speak to a doctor or two with your concerns.

Sucks for this girl though. One of mine had a bad reaction to a vaccine last week. It was pretty scary. I can't imagine what her parents are going through.

thanks, although I havent fallen prey to the autism anxiety yet. lots of babies around here(both my brothers have babies) so lots of mommies and grandmas for advice. and of course doctors...

however this is what im talking about! everyone you know either knows someone who reacted or knows someone who did etc... it adds up, and then deaths? And we are expected to toss it up as a "roll of the dice?" This little girl would be playing with her schoolmates today had she not been injected. That scares anyone with a brain, let alone kids or not.

hope all is good with the vaccine man, thats terrible

Yes. Lots of things cause cancers, that's very true however 95% of cervical cancer is caused by a specific thing; HPV. That is what the vaccine protects you from contracting. It's very sad to read about the girl who died after having the vaccine; however so far, more than 1.4million doses have been given out in the UK alone, and there has been one death. That's pretty good odds in my book - versus the numbers of girls who will get sick; need on going treatments; chemo; hysterectomies etc or who could even die. I just googed it and in 2007 alone there were 941 deaths from cervical cancer in the UK. That's more scary. I'm not a parent and I appreciate it would be a tough decision to go ahead and make but surely it's entirely best to go ahead with the vaccine.

Doctors are usually all for drugs and vaccines. The researchers that invent them know the real risks involved and will not use it on themselves or their kids.

Even if you vaccinate against those 2 deadliest types of HPV, the other 100s of types of HPV will just step up to the plate and take its place. It is like a flu vaccine. Half the time, the vaccine is not even against the right strain of flu, but you'll never know.

Very good points made here :) :2 cents:

Two roads. One leads to an extremely small risk of death, the other leads to a risk of death that is several thousands of times larger. Which road would you pick for your daughter?

When driving, would you have your daughter wear a seatbelt despite the risk that you drive into water, it gets stuck and she drowns? Or would you go with the much larger risk of death in a typical car crash while not wearing a seatbelt?

When choosing a babysitter, would you go with someone who has great references and a great reputation, or with a convicted child molester? After all, there is a small chance that the child molester has changed his ways, while the fully qualified babysitter with great references might turn out to actually be a child molester who just hasn't been caught yet.

If your daughter was dying from cervical cancer some decades from now and asked why you didn't get her the vaccination despite the risk being much, much smaller than the risk of cervical cancer it would have reduced, what would you answer?

More people died from being hit by cars that year, why not google that statistic. I'm not saying it's not serious, but contracting HPV is a pretty simple equation... Unprotected sex with someone who has HPV = HPV infection. Not knowing what to look for with your sexual partner = risk of HPV infection. Instead of simply giving a person leave to stupidity, I prefer a good education to the risks potentially involved with vaccination. I plan to talk to my children on an in-depth level about these kinds of concerns, because like it or not, it's something I SHOULD do as a parent. Most people opting for the vaccination would never have the guts to bring something like that up with their child. I wonder how many girls who've gotten the vaccine even understand the implications of what it's for? Likely not. If they're old enough to be vaccinated for something, does it not mean they are old enough at least for a rudimentary education about it? Not to mention, with the gardisil vaccine being so new, doctors have NO IDEA of the potential long-term effects of such a vaccination. I don't trust them at the best of times, why would I trust them to use my kids as a case study 10 years down the road?

And what if your child is suffering from something just as bad if not worse because the vaccine that was given out like candy turned out 10 years later to be the cause of something even worse? Guilt is NOT a good reason to get children vaccinated. Wonder how the people who were cripped or had family die from Guillam Barre after their Swine Flu Vaccination felt. Did they feel guilty? It's never a black and white thing, but NOT having children vaccinated is a decision that ultimately falls to the parents, just as having vaccinations is. In either case, one must weigh the pros and cons and decide what they feel is best for their child.

Personally, I've always found that our bodies are miraculous things, and they will most oftentimes fix themselves.. The more crap we pour down our throats or have poked into our veins doesn't really win us any ground, because every time we "defeat" one illness, five more crop on it it's place. Superbugs are a good example of this... they were created by the very thing that was meant to help... .antibiotics... an OVERUSE of antibiotics, generally because parents who's kid have a little sniffle can't let mother nature run it's course, but demand their doctors fix things, and the doctors comply even when they know it's not neccessary so they feel they've done their jobs. In our "instant gratification" society, people place too much importance on the quick fix instead of allowing things to take their own course. Who suffers for this? EVERYONE, because now those superbugs are out there, and both the morons who don't know the difference between a bacteria and a virus (antibiotics are USELESS against viruses, but that's what most cold and flus are), and the people who chose differently are now exposed to these things. When my kids get sick, unless they are REALLY sick and can't get better on their own, I care for them through it, but I let them fight it off. Why? Because it's GOOD for their immune systems, it helps prevent MORE illnesses in the future, and my kids rarely if ever get sick for more than a day anymore, while half of their classmates are home every other week because they have no immune system and are flooded with antibiotics. It's a ridiculous, vicious circle I choose not to feed into.

That is such fucking bullshit.

Here's a little list of just a few of the things you'd have seen regularly in your surroundings before we started "messing with mother nature". In many third world countries where they're too poor to mess with mother nature, you still see them with varying regularity.

Click the links for pictures to show just what we're missing out on.

smallpox
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polio
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noma
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congenital syphilis
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rickets
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congenital rubella syndrome
http://www.pathguy.com/sol/53732.jpg

the bubonic plague
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