Democrats' Health Bill: Buy Insurance or Go To Jail
 

The Democrats' bill that will be voted on in the House tomorrow says a family of four either needs to buy insurance for $15,000 per year, pay a penalty tax of 2.5% of income or face a penalty of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years. This should be popular. :winkwink:


http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/...or-go-to-jail/

Too much text....cant...keep up!

I can't wait until Obama finally reforms healthcare.

All of the idiots who are spreading false info will finally get to STFU!

Then they can lie about something new, like Obama wants to kill and eat your children, or is a secret communist space alien, or whatever stupid shit they can sell to the brainless morons who like to listen to their nonsense.

i believe hes a man of honor and when his children are older they will be proud:2 cents: the jail part sounds like false bullshit

I have to call bullshit i don't even see a Section 7203 or Section 7201 and i got the bill open right in front of me :)

It's right next to the part of the plan that makes abortions mandatory.

lol man oh man the shit people let get feed to them

How is quoting specific passages from the House Healthcare Bill spreading lies??? Are you really that delusional that you are incapable of coherent thought on the issue? Why not argue the merits of the case instead of denying the existence of the bill itself? Even by the pitiful Orwellian standards of leftist doublespeak your shit is really weak. :mad:

The teabaggers are big lying whiners, BUT...

It is certainly not impossible that whatever bills our corporate-duck-sucking congress actually writes will have mandatory health insurance purchasing with penalties for non-compliance.

That's fully in line with the kind of thinking a bought-and-paid-for congress would produce.

Amen toe dat shit
:disgust

you mean, the bill that has yet to be passed?

that sort of misinformation?

Yea the bill that was introduced in the House and will be voted on tomorrow. That bill. Is everyone on GFY this stupid? :disgust

Section 7201 and 7203 are the Internal Revenue Code sections that would be applicable for failure to pay the 2.5% penalty tax. The penalty tax is assessed for failure to purchase insurance that meets the requirements of the statute. If any of you nitwits had even a passing familiarity with the debate on this issue you would be aware that the mandatory insurance requirement would have penalties attached for noncompliance. Otherwise how would it be fucking mandatory???

Fucking inbred morons the lot of you. :321GFY

Here is the bill
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

I didn't read it, but I did do a search for sections 7201 and 7203 and I could not find anything. Maybe you can point them out in the bill.

:1orglaugh

Section 7201 and 7203 are the Internal Revenue Code sections that would be applicable for failure to pay the 2.5% penalty tax (tax evasion). You fucking illiterate moron.

You can read the fucking Congressional report here.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...tter110509.pdf

Why is it so fucking hard for you illiterate Obamabots to understand that you cannot have a fucking mandatory insurance requirement without fucking penalties for enforcement?

How hard is it understand that if you fail to pay the fucking penalty taxes that you can be prosecuted for tax evasion?

Even if you are unable to read (as seems painfully obvious at this point), a little common fucking sense would suffice. :helpme

Easy does it, you are going to burst a blood vessel.

I read through the letter you linked and I do agree that a person who doesn't maintain health insurance during the year probably should not be penalized. I can, however, see why they would do this.

One of the major problems with health care is the non-payers. These are people who go to the ER and urgent care centers and get treatment then don't pay. That cost is then passed on to everyone else. So if a person just doesn't want health insurance for no legit reason and ends up becoming a non-payer we all then get to pay for them. You are forced to carry car insurance if you drive, I think they are using the same principles here. I also think they are expecting to supply enough subsidies that anyone can get health insurance no matter how little money you make so the only reason for not having it would be that you just decided that you don't need it and don't want it even if the government is paying for it.

Still, sending someone to jail over this is pretty extreme. However, if you read the full letter at the bottom it says that out of all the cases they were filed in 2008 only about 100 were cases where they determined the taxpayer?s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior. Obviously this doesn't include health care since we don't have it yet, but I think the point is that very few people will fall into this area. The rest will just be taxed what it would cost them to have health insurance. From what I read you can make up to around 80K a year and you will still get some kind of government assistance for health insurance so I don't think this clause will effect many people.

oh, sorry, i'm 'stupid'

if that bill hasn't been voted on, that means it hasn't been passed right? Maybe you should figure out what insulting people for nothing means in conversation fascist

There are legitimate arguments to be made for mandatory insurance coverage. Obviously for coverage to be mandatory there needs to be penalties for non compliance.

There are arguments to be made on the merits of the policies but instead the Obama noise machine is attempting to ram through the bill without even his most ardent supporters having any idea what it is about...... as is painfully demonstrated by the imbeciles posting in this thread.

If we are going to radically change health care in this country then it would be a good idea if people understood the basic issues involved. Instead people spend all their times frothing at the mouth about "tea baggers" and "death panels".

I strongly believe that most of the people who claim they support the Democrats' plan don't have any fucking idea what is is or what it will do. If people understood the implications then it would be very unpopular. That is why they are ramming it through as quickly as they can.

I appreciate you acknowledging this. Who says we cannot find any common ground? :)

Welcome to Obama's America, disagree with the man, go to prison.

i am impressed you even know what common ground means

I think a lot of it is indicative of our government as a whole. They rush a lot of things and then try to paint with too big of a brush. COPA is a great example. They wanted to make it so that porn sites could not be accessed by kids. Had they took their time and crafted a good bill they could have done just that. You can argue for or against what it would have done to this industry. However, they made an overbearing, overreaching law that covered half the sites on the internet. The same with 2257. It worked fine, there had never even been an inspection, yet they changed the laws and made following the law perfectly nearly impossible (not to mention next to impossible to figure out)

These guys don't seem to have a scalpel, all they know is jackhammer and they end up doing too much.

Hell, I bet most of the people that will be voting on the bill in the next few days haven't read it and don't really know what is in there.

That is an absolute certainty. :1orglaugh

You do realize that when you're a prisoner, the tax payers fund your health care, right? They pay for all your care, your health issues, your medications, etc.

So you'll be in jail, but you'll get that chemo you need for free!

Every time I go to the hospital, I see a guy in shackles with 2 policemen escorting him so you can pay for him to get a bandaid on his boo boo.

I thought I was crazy for saying that?

Stupid fucks.

A prisoner is a ward of the state. Not all of us want to be dependent on the state for our well being like a prisoner. A person who is dependent on the state is not free by definition. That is the whole fucking point. :thumbsup

How much you want to bet even though you "think" you aren't a ward of "the state" that you are.. Even if you don't receive said benefits at this moment and time.. One of the keywords here is "person"

If we could all only open our eyes and see the big picture of the global Zionist conspiracy then we could be super duper enlightened just like you. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So then buy insurance! :winkwink:

You think this shit is funny. I'm not playing fucking games here. I could give a shit less if they are zionist or whatever the fuck you want to call them. They can claim to be whatever religion it is they want but that doesn't make them any less of the criminals that they are and what they need to be called is Prisoner #3464576, #4576567 etc

Personally I already buy health insurance (it costs fucking $550 per month :mad:)...... and if I did not I would pay my 2.5% penalty tax........ because unlike most of the pro big government leftist hypocrites on this board who support higher taxes for everyone else and then commit tax evasion themselves...... I actually pay all my taxes. My point is that if this bill was presented to people honestly it would be VERY unpopular.

Actually I think it is a little bit sad and I realize that you are not playing games........ you are obviously crying out for help. I can only hope that one of the few benefits of socialized health care is that desperately ill people like yourself will get they help they need. :)

When are you going to fucking get it? How many times does a person have to be right before you accept YOU WERE WRONG.. I don't have a fucking mental problem. The problem I have is stupid fucks like yourself who are in denial. And by god there are a lot of you.

Yea....... that's right....... they can all get their prisoner number tattooed on their forearm....... just like in the good ole days........ right Adolf? :winkwink:

I actually can't recall you ever saying anything that was not batshit crazy....... but when you do I will be happy to acknowledge that you are right. :)

Crazy baby, crazy!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=1CmvZE4i75o

Well it's pretty typical with brain dead people to have very shot term memory spans. You were calling me crazy on this very subject just a week ago but I've been saying this was what they were going to do for many months...

I request you to provide a link to the thread where that happened. I have been aware that there would be criminal tax evasion penalties for non compliance with the mandatory insurance provisions for a long time. Up until now their was no final bill to criticize so I did not harp on it.

Now you are just being dishonest. Post the thread to where it happened or I will be forced to assume that it occurred in one of your many alternate realities.

Anyway they will be along shortly with your Thorazine and you will forget about us evil Zionists for a while. :)

Tax evasion is a crime in and of itself. It is not related to the health care bill. The penalty for not having health insurance is 2.5%. Everything else is seperate.

What you are essentially saying is this. I get a parking ticket and show up to court. I start yelling obscenities at the judge and get charged with contempt of court and serve 30 days in jail. Therefore, the penalty for parking illegally is 30 days in jail.

Failure to pay a fine or serve your sentence is a completely different crime in this country. Before you spout off on people calling them illiterate, you should educate yourself on our judicial system before you continue to make a larger fool of yourself.

And my post is not a statement in favor or in opposition of the proposed health care bill.

While I am impressed by your ability to write in complete sentences, that does change the fact that your statements do nothing to disprove my point that the maximum penalty for failing to comply with the mandatory health insurance provisions would be possible jail time.

The people I accused of being illiterate demonstrated as much by their obvious inability to read. In your case I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you read quite well and are just attempting to intentionally obfuscate the issue. :winkwink:

OK so I apologize you weren't in on at least the last two conversations but your "buddies in denial" were. Just to give you an idea of how I've been talking "crazy" about this for some time

09-29-2009, 11:11 PM

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=930640


Now you might want to ask yourself. How in the hell did he know that over a month ago? If you really want the answer I'll tell you. I"M PAYING ATTENTION AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR GAMES OF DECEPTION.

On another note. This bill gets better. There are apparently at least 7-800 more pages of it not being shown which will as usual come out just before being voted on.

So my "buddies in denial" were speaking for me in this case??? Are we a single unit functioning in tandem just like the monolithic evil Zionists? :1orglaugh


There has been plenty of talk for months about criminal penalties for failure to comply with with the mandatory insurance provisions and that healthcare "reform" is a big gift to the insurance industry. I agree with your statement in that thread but it was hardly some groundbreaking revelation.

no......

Every single crime in this country is punishable by jail time if you don't pay your fine or fulfill your sentence. You can go to jail for not wearing your seat belt or watering your lawn during restricted times if you don't pay your fine.

Your title says if you don't buy insurance, you go to jail. That is not true. You only go to jail if you commit tax evasion which is another crime. You are the one intentionally obfuscating the issue by leaving an extremely important fact out of your initial statement.

The title was a short summary of the contents of the post (that is how a title typically works). My initial post stated that the options are "buy insurance for $15,000 per year, pay a penalty tax of 2.5% of income or face a penalty of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years."

That is a correct statement and you have written nothing to refute it.

I am starting to realize I gave you too much credit when I assumed you could read with some amount of comprehension. :disgust

Yeah there's a little group of you which always end up talking shit without backing it up.

Such as this one on this very topic
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=936860&page=3

I can only go back so far in history here. I've been saying since they started all this health care bullshit that this is exactly what they were going to do. It's never been about helping anyone out but the governments budget. All of the debate was just for show. Make people think they care and are actually getting something other than greased up and bent over. After it's been put into law let all of the real nasty crap come out and the masses will take their pills like good little sheep.

Yeah! Good Times! Good Times!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=QI4wjTMSizo