Did we all just see someone hit rock bottom?
 

I'm sure I'm not alone in watching the Lindsay Lohan hearing. She got 90 days in jail, 90 days in an in house rehab and probation. Who knows how long she will actually serve.

Did we all just watch a person hit rock bottom on live TV or will she just get out after a few days, skate through rehab and not learn a thing?

No overdoses and still has somewhere to live so not quite yet.

Shes not dead... yet.

I highly doubt this will make her stop. She must be seeing this as just some vacations from partying.

I don't think rock bottom means dead.

I saw an interview with Robert Downey Jr. a little while back and had a major drug and booze problem and had all kinds of issues, pretty much destroyed his career with it. He says finally going to jail was when he hit rock bottom and he made him realize he had to drastically change his life.

Lindsay Lohan must recover.

I know 90 days in jail doesnt mean 90 days and she will probably serve 30 of that. How does it work for house rehab? I am assuming 90 days means 90 days or am I wrong?

Correct.

Until she hits the Dana Plato. She still has a few lives left.
:2 cents:

I hope it's all 90 days... I think they finally need to set an example out of these silly girls. Fucking pay for a driver.

From what I understand (and I'm no expert) 90 days in rehab is 90 days. They have a program that takes 90 days and you have to complete it before you can be released so I would guess that she will have to do the full 90.

As for jail time, I'm with you, I think she will serve around 30 days of it.

Robert Downey Jr always seemed to retain popularity throughout his demise, and look at him now. He nust be extremely wealthy now.

How wealthy can Lindsay be?

who the fuck is lindsay lohan?

From what I understand Lindsay doesn't have much money at all.

For the life of me I can't see what she has done wrong. Most of the people I know party harder than she does and it's no issue.

In any civilized country nothing would be made of this at all.

The main two things she did was drive drunk and get caught so she got a DUI then she took someones car and drove it as she chased another chick down the road. She got stopped and was all coked up. So for both of these things she got probation. As part of the probation she had to complete certain things including alcohol treatment programs and she didn't do that. Since those were part of the terms of her parole she was found in violation and that is why she is going to jail.

That's sucks anyway...

Was there an injured party ? Or the law acts as a tool of fear? I wonder who got scared after they saw this!

She will be back soon :)

As far as I know nobody was hurt. In the case of DUI the law does act as a form of fear. They tend to punish you pretty harshly to encourage you not to do it again.

id do a sextape with her if she likes :)

:Oh crap

Nowhere near rock bottom but if Britney Spears can somehow bounce back from being a lunatic i'm sure she can recover.

she will sell story and make movie about it :)

aren't you a bit worried that your news is feeding the people with this bullshit instead of touching important matters?

I found it a little interesting that pretty much every news channel stopped what they were doing and aired most of her hearing live. That hearing went on for about 6 hours and most of the news stations aired all of it or much of it. That was a little off. It's not like she is OJ and killed someone. She violated her DUI probation.

As for them not touching on important matters. . . I think, for the most part, they do. They get distracted from time to time, but they still cover the news most of the time. Go to CNN.com today. The only place they even mention Lindsay in listed under the entertainment news area.

I dont know who this bitch is and do not understand why people care.
Becky take your ass to jail so sista brown can lick you just right

If someone pulls a gun and threatens another person, should they be given a break because non one got shot?

Think about how ridiculous your statement is.

Yes Free OJ too

When reality drops faster than you can lower your standards. That's when you hit bottom. It all depends how low her personal standards are.

You are absolutely correct... there are many many many people out there that have gotten into more shit than she has and do so on a regular basis...

Add fame to any incident and everything gets blown way out of proportion. Let's compare:

Chick has a one night stand
+fame: OMG so and so is a total slut did you see that picture of her with some random guy?

Someone gets pulled over for a DUI
+fame: OMG they need to check into rehab they're a fucking mess, I can't believe... blah blah blah


I can't fucking stand tabloids, news about celebs (that isn't related to what they're doing professionally), reality shows, or any of that trash. It's a complete waste of time...

Who the fuck cares about some person you don't even fucking know?! I don't care how many movies they've been in or how close your delusional mind thinks you are to the "real" person because you've seen so many movies and read so many interviews... seriously...

Lindsay Lohan is way too fucking stupid to survive.

She has definitely NOT hit rock bottom yet!

If anyone really gave a shit about her, she would need to spend AT LEAST A FULL YEAR of simultaneous rehab and jail time.

In 6 months she will be up to her same old tricks... guaranteed!

breaking probation is worth cutting into the real news? Who even watches that shite? She's a silly girl who's getting a slap on the wrist for going too far. End of story.

nope if she catches a manslaughter case that will be it for her for a while. she has money to have a private driver 24/7

30 days and she will be out, just like how they reduced Paris' sentence. Celebs have an easy way out unlike the rest of us :)

i think i might want to live in your country lol

so thats not you in the avatar :helpme interesting

Not even close to rock bottom and making a big deal out of it shows how stupid as a whole our society really is.

No injured party = no crime in my book. And yes "statutes and codes" which are not laws are used as a tool of fear and manipulation for control and monetary reasons.

So you think it should just be okay for people to drive drunk as long as they don't hit and hurt anyone?

I don't believe that there's any statute or "law" that can or will put a stop to it. I also know for a fact that groups such as MADD have been fudging the figures forever..

An example


MADD Flunks the Truth Test

http://www.alcoholfacts.org/MADDtruth.html

It's a fact that treatment is more effective and less costly in alcohol and drug related cases. But there's no money in treating these people when there so much money to be made in not doing so by governments and these so called "not for profit" dogooder lying organizations.

Soon to be a cast member of Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew.

Okay, since you didn't answer the question let me ask it again.

Do you think it should be legal to drive drunk as long as you don't hit someone and cause injury?

Forget MADD or stats or anything like that. Should I be allowed to get shitfaced drunk, get behind the wheel and drive?

I did answer your question. There's nothing you, I or any statute can do about it. You/I as a friend can try to stop you/me but outside of that you/me are going to do what you're/we're going to do. Imposing fines and jail sentences doesn't help or solve the problem. It generates revenue and creates more problems for someone who already has a problem.

And in case yo missed the other thread you should read my posts there.

And I will add to that.

Cell Phone Use as Dangerous as Drunken Driving
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Dri...830105036.html

So where do we draw the line in pointing fingers? Where does it all end?

So then you do think it should be legal.

So let me ask you this. A guy gets drunk at a bar, gets in his car and drives home. The police pull him over because he has a broken headlight. While they have him pulled over they can see that the guy is clearly bombed out of him mind. Do they just give him a warning for the headlight and let him continue on his way since he hasn't hurt anyone or do they arrest him and put him into the system?

I agree with you that just arresting and fining someone doesn't treat the problem, but we can't just let people drive drunk until they hurt someone and then punish them.

If it were up to me here is what I would do.

1st offense. You lose your license for 6 months and are required to complete some kind of alcohol treatment program. Nothing too crazy, meetings once a week for a few months and a basic treatment program. During this time you are also not allowed to drink. SCRAM bracelets for the full term of the treatment. Allow the person to get a hardship license that allows them to go to and from work and the grocery store. This way if it was just a simple, dumb mistake that person's life isn't destroyed and they learn a lesson.

2nd offense. You lose your license for at least 2 years and have to spend 90 days in a live in treatment center. If you have a job you can leave to go to the job, but that is all. No booze for 2 years.

3rd offense. 5 years with no license and no booze. More treatment. If you drink during that 5 years or drive during that 5 years you go to jail for the remainder of of the time you have left to serve.

That might seem harsh, but it is a completely preventable thing. I have a friend who is in a wheelchair because he was rear ended by a drunk driver. My buddy was sitting at a stop light and the guy coming up behind him had a blood alcohol level of .21 and ran into him doing about 40 mph. Here is the kicker. The guy was 17 years old when this happened (he was a junior in high school, I was a senior and 18 years old). He was still a virgin and now nothing below the waist works. He has piss bag and colostomy bag. He has never gotten to have sex. He will never father children (well, maybe he could if he is still creating sperm and they did in vetro.) It is pretty difficult to even get a date when you are in a wheelchair, much less find someone who will understand what your life is like. He has a decent life and has come to grips with it, but he was robbed of a lot of the day to day joy that the rest of us have because this guy decided to get behind the wheel. We can't coddle people that are going to commit these crimes, we have to bring the hammer down on them, give them a chance to change their behavior and if they don't, we have to be done with them and put them in a situation where they can't hurt people.

Oh, and since I forgot to add it to my already too long post, I agree 100% that texting and cell phone use is very dangerous. I might not be 100% sold that it is as dangerous and drunk driving, but it is very dangerous. It seems like there is almost not a week that goes buy where you don't see someone nearly hit someone else because they are trying to drive while text or talk.

Here in my state they just made talking without a hands free or texting while driving illegal. I think that should be the way it is nation wide.

I have an uncle who was rear ended by a drunk cop in a police car. The drunk cop got taken away and my uncle was blamed for the accident. Look we've all had drunk driver experiences. The fact is as long as there's alcohol we're going to have drunk drivers.. No law is going to stop that. That is unless you'd like to try prohibition again? We know how well that worked before and we REALLY know how well it's working as far as drugs are concerned.

How about another personal story.. My mom was stopped at a DUI check point which they setup outside the only entrance to her subdivision. SHe like me doesn't care too much for our supposed "protectors" and especially didn't care too much about being stopped outside the entrance to her home. Well long story short the cop doesn't like her attitude and decides she's an "offender" she passes all the usual tests but the cop is bound and determinded so he hauls her off to the hospital. End result he gives her a DUI for her medication she has been taking for about 25 years. Did you know that aroud 70% of the medication over the counter can result in you having a DUI?

So you think we should lock people away because they have a addiction? You don't seem to understand that jail and fines doesn't solve the problem. It only costs you and I about $30k a year to house.. BTW I'm becoming to drunk to continue on much further with this conversation..lol I think I need to go get some cigarettes. Cheers.

When she went to court and showed them she is on prescription medicine did the toss it out?



What do suggest we do with them? I feel this way: If you want to sit you your house and shook heroin into your nuts, I don't care. But if you are going to get behind the wheel and drive afterwards now I do care.

So what do you suggest we do with people who drink and drive and get caught? Again, I ask, if a cop pulls someone over for whatever reason and sees they are drunk, should they just let them go? If not, what do we do with them? We put them in treatment? that isn't free, so who pays for it?

After hiring a lawyer for $1500 they reduced it to wreckless driving and fined her and court costs of about $800..





How about giving them a citation to discuss needs after and taking them home? To serve and protect??

$30+k a year to house a person in jail as a national standard. Treatment is generally 10-20% of that.. Not lookiing it up right now but just going off of memory.

So what is there to deter them from doing it again? How much of a fine are we talking about here. There are also other potential legal issues that a police department could come up against by taking someone home.



I know it is expensive to jail someone, in my scenario above I don't suggest jail until they offend 3 times and even then on the third they are given a chance to do the right thing and only get jail if they don't comply and get treatment and follow through.

WHy should there be a fine? Aren't we already supposedly paying for the police out of our tax dollars? Not..

What legal issues? They have to drive you to jail don't they? I'm much more likely to sue a cop for enforcing an unconstitutional law than I am taking me home.. But thats just me..





3 times in a lifetime? Or do they just make up 3 times in 10 years or whatever and if they find one within 10 years they can go back another ten years and so on?

We haven't even got into the discussion of the "record" and how that record affects said persons life..

Nor have we discussed how the district attorneys recieve points for convictions which are then turned into $. But we're not suppose to know that.