Making Money From TGPs in today's market ??
 

I'm wondering if any of you are still turning some good profits with your tgps and if so, how ? I run a few tgps and have 500-550k total daily traffic, but I'm only averaging like 3-5 signups per day mainly off of hosted galleries, the rebills that I built up are helping to hold me through.

With my traffic, you'd think that there'd be more profit than that, but unfortunately I'm not. I'm sure a couple of you will say it's something that I'm doing wrong, which perhaps it is, maybe it's the fact that I'm still pushing tgps all together and not getting more into tubes. I do have a couple of tubes lined up, but I'm dragging my feet on them a little since they're part of what's hurting to begin with.

Any ideas ?? I'm sure I'm not the only one that'd like to know :)

If you focus on the SE aspect of your TGP's and really target them with the content you display, you'll be in fine shape. Tweak your scripts to NOT trade your SE traffic around and you should see an increase in sales. Keep the trade traffic for increasing your trades...not for generating signups.

With half a million hits a day, you really should be seeing quite a bit more.

Spice I'm still making a little money with barely any traffic at all (pornhub has all the traffic now lol)

But my traffic is 100% real.
If you're really doing a half million uniques a day and only 3 to 5 sales a day...then I'd have to ask if your traffic is actual surfers who chose of their own free will to go to your site and maybe even have it bookmarked (like my traffic is)

As late as early 2007 I still had around 1.2 million uniques a day. I was making hundreds of sales a day with that. And when I dropped down to your level I was still making 100+ sales a day.

Now I have about 10,000 uniques left (nobody surfs my tgps anymore and I can't blame them with tube sites having full scenes and rapidshare and bit torrents having entire members areas) and I can still make a few sales here and there.

Is your TGP a circle jerk/blind link/skim site? If so, then that's your whole problem right there. Most of the "traffic" on that type of site consists of pissed off people who are wondering how the hell they ended up there to begin with and quickly click out again.

If you really want the answer...install google analytics on your main page. Check your "Bounce Rate" You want that to be VERY low. If you have a bounce rate of over 60% on a tgp then you are getting a LOT of traffic that consists of people who are pissed off and immediately leave your site.

That can make your traffic numbers look real good! But like I've told people for years, the only number that really counts is the one in your bank account.

Also look at the Average Time On Site number. You want that one to be high.
If the average time is less than a minute...then you've got problems.

If you are blindlink/circle jerk/skimming for your traffic...I'd say that your numbers are probably about as good as they are gonna get for you sales-wise.

But google analytics will give you a much clearer picture of what's happening.

My business model has always been clean links with no pop ups, blind links, or "skimming". Just a what you see is what you get situation that earns the surfers trust.

My traffic numbers are pathetic now and it's a bit of an ego blow. But I'd rather see the reality and deal with it than to change to a skim and start blindlinking just to drive traffic numbers through trades with other blind linking sites. That traffic has always been pretty much useless.

havent ran any in a while
but 500-550k is big daily traffic

3-5 joins seems like way too little

is it all FHG's?
how many hits do you send to galleries
and how many to the sponsors?

sounds like you are doing 1:5000 to get only 3-5 joins a day

is it niche tgps or general?

if its general try to add many categories and sub categories to target more buyers

btw good advice from sherm about se traffic and robbie too

Great post, I've never had a tgp site, so I have a question. What is the right way to trade traffic? Most sites I know have a skim rate of 60/70 on all thumbs, isnt that the right way?

I have to also agree with you Stever.

Great advice Sherm and Robbie. Also I have a question. Would you recommend starting a TGP this time and age?

And if you can elaborate on what you think would be the best method? :)

Hello Spice,

Aside your general traffic are you doing anything to monetize your mobile traffic?
Would love to talk to you in setting up a mobile whitelabel for your TGP.

I can get you setup with a Mobile white-label today to try it out. And can bet you you will get more than 3-5 joins just on your mobile traffic alone.

Hit me up if you're interested in learning more.

I would try hosting some of your own galleries. Many sponsors will host a domain for you, let you put the galleries up on it so you can customize them, link to them directly and link back to your sites from them. It takes time of course but it's worth it in the long run.

^^ you are my hero shemp

Most FHGs aren't designed to sell at all... Some it's even hard to find the link to the tour.

If I still had TGPs going in 2010 I'd start building my own galleries integrated into the site design with more aggressive upselling to the sponsor, and focus on keeping the SE traffic and sending traffic to these new gals on my own site, while doing away with all but the most productive trades.

Yeah you'll drop your traffic numbers even more, but all the gallery pages should help boost your SE traffic and keeping your surfers on your site will help with your bookmarkers/return visitors, and by the end of it all you should have some higher quality targeted traffic.

I dunno, just verbal diarrhea at this point.

is it a thumb tgp and are you skimming to trades ?

Only if your goal is to have artificial numbers and sell pre-paid ad spots. Problem is that with sites like pornhub having 10 million uniques a day, your not gonna be able to command a lot of money on those pre-paids with "only" thousands of uniques. And the people paying for them aren't gonna renew when they see the ROI on them.

There are now and have ALWAYS been only a handful of real TGP's.
A REAL tgp is a site that has links to galleries. Not skimming, not blindlinks, not some "traffic script" posing as a tgp.

Put and maintain links/thumbs on the top to converting paysites and new paysites. You want surfers to bounce off to paysites, not because they are pissed.

Setup a circle jerk and cookie stuff like a mad fool...

Thanks, but I'm not Shemp. I am Sherm. Shemp is in this thread though. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Can make you some really good money short term so not really "bad" advice :winkwink:

in 2005 maybe.. many guys were doing 15K per month just by submitting 2 gals per day to TGPs... Me included..

But nowadays there are thousands other ways to make LOTs more money than with TGPs and MGPs...

Yeah, you can keep to nostalgic and keep submitting gals, BUT you are stuck on time, man. and I really don't know how longer you will be able to hold that strategy. your choice..


Oh, and 99% of submit passes are worthless nowadays. They were good in 2005 tho... but we are in mid 2010.

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If you need help monetizing your sites give me a shout perhaps i can help.

You sound just like him... that was my point. :winkwink:

Maybe you should try to sell some submit passes to increase the income?
Fresh content can help build traffic/make the surfer stay longer :)
I would be interested in trying one out.. contact me on icq 4100-3014 if this is doable ;)

Better yet, cash incent sales to to high PPS low cost trial programs. Doctor the numbers with feeder traffic from TrafficHolder, cover your ass with a clever combo of cloaking and cookie dropping. Run like a mad man until you get caught, jump to a new llc, lather, rinse, repeat. :1orglaugh

Right...

What sherm said, statistics statistics statistics (Google Analytics)!

Find out what trades are sending traffic that clicks on banners and sends sales, stop trading your quality traffic (SE), have the traffic from your quality trades land on random hosted galleries (you may lose some overall daily traffic but if you make more sales who gives a damn?) or ones that have converted in the past, find or experiement with new sponsors with better converting tours, use Analytics to drop trades that send high bounce rate traffic - low time on site traffic - low page views - etc and send your traffic to your better trades that also send more traffic, if you statistic the shit out of your site(s) you will easily quadruple or more your sales in days. You will need some programming knowledge and cleverness though.

I bet I could have that shit sending at least 20 sales a day if not 50 or more.

TGPs are done

Thanks for the great ideas/opinions everyone, I REALLY do appreciate it. As far as my skimming goes, I send 60-65% to galleries, I had a site where I sent 100% to galleries, but it never really did much. I figure you need to go down to at least 60% to get traffic out to get it back in OR is that the wrong way to think ?? I guess Robbie hit it on the head with asking if the surfers are there on their own free will. I suppose in my case, people are sent to me blindly.

I like the idea of making my own galleries, maybe I'll have to do more of that, it might be a bit of extra work, but it'll be worth it if I can get some sales going.

I'll also have a look into mobile, maybe that'll be a good idea and mobile is building these days.

can you set your script so that the surfer will see a few galleries before you send him off to some other site that he didnt want to go to?

Are they? Shit somebody should have told me. I launched a network on November 1st and it has already accumulated 250,000 visitors daily and I am getting more sales daily than the OP. The traffic has increased every month and shows no sign of slowing down.

If anything, MGPs are close to dead. Tubes are not a replacement for TGPs.

pretty much
in terms of photos tgps are still king for that
since tubes go after movies

have you thought about using your existing base to build out a blog and tube network. there are a lot of programs offering pretty good quality videos for tubes and you could run a legal tube site. use of blogs to filter traffic.

if you have a teen site you could put up 10 blogs break it down to 10 good categories. filter the traffic. as they become more qualified your ratios will get better. you have a good base. to build on

The market as a whole is not important.
Think about what part of the market you can take.
It is possible to make money. Good luck.

heh that sucks.

:2 cents:
Trading traffic will piss off an interested buyer more than anything. He wants to see what he clicked on. The surfer just looking for more free content does not give a shit. You have to find something very special to flip him. Same goes for people traded to you. If I walked into a shop and found myself in a different shop to the one I wanted I would be out of there immediately and never go back

Also look at the galleries you have. How many are getting people to go to the site, how many of those sites are really performing for you. No traffic numbers don't guaranty sales. It's just the first step.