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Old 11-18-2017, 11:26 PM   #1
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Google is censoring Porn ?

Hello guys,

What i dont find here is a discussion abourlt this allarming situation thta is damaging many of us.

Google from some days already decided that some many keywords and first of all "porno" or "porn" are not anymore appropriate for porn sites.

I have an italian site and on google.it porno sites has been removed from "porno" serp. We lost 30k unique users a day in 1 day.

What i saw that situation is almost the same on porn serp for google.com where survive only pornhub and 2 more but all the serp is dominated now by newspaper and wikis.

No one here is informed ? Any idea on this ?


I tried to open a topic on google webmaster forum but there i'm like a black sheep. I was immediatly banned by that fucking people.


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Old 11-18-2017, 11:41 PM   #2
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It is all about this: Block porn or be blocked, Indonesia warns Google, Twitter - Science & Tech - The Jakarta Post ?

Really no ine kniw nothing ? We discusd about how to make noney and our main source of profit and free traffic is going to censor all our sites....
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:54 PM   #3
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Interesting. Hadn?t noticed until now. News is first three results. Only pornhub, xnxx and videos on first page. Searching for ?porn links? is the same. Time to change the meta data
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Old 11-19-2017, 12:44 AM   #4
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it happend already in september when google changed 2 things:

1. you always get the results from your country even when you search on google.com or another country tld

2. the semantic algo will show nonadult results when google is not 100% sure that a user is searching for porn.

no2. is an old issue and started many years ago. since than you could see more and more that keys like "grannies" or "teens" lost because of that issue.

google will not block porn but what they want is that users learn to clarify exactly what they want in case they want porn.
their weakest point is the UNWANTED CONFRONTATION with porn results.

but as i said this is an old issue and it was clear already 7 or 8 years ago in what direction it goes.
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The point is that in case of teen i could understand and grannies too. What you are looking for is not clear.

But porn means you are looking for porn not sure for definition of the word porn or news about porn.


Anyway let's share our google SERP first page:




As you can see no any porn sites is listed for italian keyword "PORNO".



If i type PORNO is not the same like typing GRENNIES or TEEN there is no confusion on this word meaning.... and all people know if they wanna find a porn site must type PORNO.... this is in italy i dont know in germany or in other countires.....but is not good.


And anyway like told Goethe also typying PORN LINKS is the same story.... so this is something different.... i eman if i type porn links sure i wanna find links about porn not news...
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nothing new...
Ok guys i have impression you are not so serious....we are facing the mist big disaster happened in years and all people you means was already informed of this ?



Fine, if so no new.....what must happen ? That will die 1 milion of people for you ^? to be something interesting ?


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I just checked, pretty much all my teams search results are gone.

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I don't target these general terms but noticed it and it sucks but is there anything you can do about it? Probably not. You can just wait if it changes and target less general terms.
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Old 11-19-2017, 04:42 AM   #10
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Fortunatly people are targeting this terms has a long tail of composed terms. But in my case for this generic term we had around 30.K unique users / day.


Try to consider some big international tubes that was getting milion of users all over the world from this terms.... me i lost 30 K users / day, they lost 500K / 1000K users from this terms...

Sure i still has my position on composed keywords but - 30K users one day after an other is not few...


Anyway let's hope something wil lchange.....and will not go worste....like they could extend this to other temrs for example... it could be just the satrd of the end of porn on google.


BTW is evident here no one is doing SEO, because all people are rtoo calm in my opinion sure we cannot do nothing , but also to be not afraid of situtation looks a bit strange...are you sure you did not consumed some drugs before connecting here ?
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Noticed it too the last few months. Even heard mainstream webmasters complaining that they're getting useless traffic from porn search queries. Go figure.

Nothing much we can do, I'm afraid. Hopefully Google will fine tune the algo that decides which queries are really looking for porn and which are not.
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Yap. also there plan to block popups is designed to hurt porn sites.
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'porn' typed into a search box does not necessarily mean that you want to play with your pocket rocket (fap, wank, beat your meat, etc).

'porno' is a term used for porn in a few romance (Latin based) languages -- point being you will get language biased SERPs.

I use Google News and made the category 'porn -child' to see what they list. My main intent was news relevant to the adult industry in general (I want to exclude the man arrested with naked children shit -- too much of that).

Anyway, I commonly see 'food porn' this n' that '-porn). Porn have become an adjective is every day speech now. Food porn means obscene or explicit foodstuffs.

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Semantic Matchmaking as Non-Monotonic Reasoning: A Description Logic Approach
“a process that allowed potential producers/consumers to provide descriptions of tproducts/needs, either directly or through agents mediation, to be later unified by a identifying promising matches. ...
... Description Logics—a.k.a. Terminological Logics—are a family of logic formaKnowledge
Representation. All DLs are endowed of a syntax, and a semantics, which is usually model-theoretic. The basic syntax elements of DLs are:
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• individuals, that are used for special named elements belonging to concepts”
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Word association matters now. Google doesn't give a shit about your business -- it has been that way for years. If what they do in their algorithms delivers content that their searchers are looking for -- then it will be so. If users receive poor results for their search with Google -- they can try elsewhere.

The big tubes are listed because they have good metrics to Google and their searchers click. Maybe it is the tail wagging the dog but that is what people want -- free porn. The tubes are profiting from this as they become a necessary evil advertising media placement.

Google has become 'evil corp' to too many people and are now facing constant governmental scrutiny -- such as anti-trust scrutiny for some of their market dominance practices.

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Just tell Google to fuck off! If enough people did this for a year Google would lose most of their market share and other search engines would benefit and profit. Either that or stop bitchin' and use semantic theory ...
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The point is that in case of teen i could understand and grannies too. What you are looking for is not clear.

But porn means you are looking for porn not sure for definition of the word porn or news about porn.
this is the view of a porn webmaster but not of a child protector.

imagine a child heard the word the first time and want to know what it means

THOSE are the arguments google have to fight with.

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As you can see no any porn sites is listed for italian keyword "PORNO".
well i can see porn results on google.it but that is because of my browser language.

if you enter porno videos you will also see results and this is what google MUST teach the people to do. if not the child protectors will win that game.

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If i type PORNO is not the same like typing GRENNIES or TEEN there is no confusion on this word meaning.... and all people know if they wanna find a porn site must type PORNO.... this is in italy i dont know in germany or in other countires.....but is not good.
as i told you in the upper example THERE IS a confusion and if you try to get a bit away from your own standpoint you will see it

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And anyway like told Goethe also typying PORN LINKS is the same story.... so this is something different.... i eman if i type porn links sure i wanna find links about porn not news...
as i said this story is old - VERY old when google striked here the first time.
and the users learned to define their searches.

as the same thing happend in september in germany I can tell you already that users are on the way to learn it and change their search keys.
in my network we had a decrease of roundabout a million users per day and now we are on 300.000 less daily. in a few month all will be back to usual but with other keys,
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Google from some days already decided that some many keywords and first of all "porno" or "porn" are not anymore appropriate for porn sites.
No !
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'porn' typed into a search box does not necessarily mean that you want to play with your pocket rocket (fap, wank, beat your meat, etc).

'porno' is a term used for porn in a few romance (Latin based) languages -- point being you will get language biased SERPs.
correct - out of that "porn" is already a phrase in the youngster language.
Porn means "abolutely outstanding great"

we had the same thing happen in germany about 30 years ago with the word "geil" (horny) there was a band comming up with a song and no radio station played it.
today even angela merkes says "das ist geil" when she likes something.

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Just tell Google to fuck off! If enough people did this for a year Google would lose most of their market share and other search engines would benefit and profit. Either that or stop bitchin' and use semantic theory ...
it wouldn´t be easier with many search engines. we had this problem 20 years ago already and it was nearly impossible to optimize on all of them because all had other rules and algos.

google does not want to get rid of porn but they get a lot of ass kicks from nearly every government of the world.
in germany they have "chilling effects" where this officials can complein a site and after 6-12 month google takes it from the german index.
but there are ways to get the same site within 3 days back there - and google KNOWS it but they do a fuck a block this site automaticaly again before there is no new complaint. and if it come it takes 6-12 months again.

all the big german pornsites are blocked every 6-12 months and they are back after 3-5 days.

if google really wanted to block porn they would have more effective ways to do that.
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No !
if you are not in italy you will not get this result what OP got.

you can try to open a a private window - then go to google.it and change the language in google setting to italy.

a even more accurat result you see when you use additionally an italian proxy.

but as i said - as soon as you concrete it to porno video or porno fotos or porno cam you see the hardcore results.
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It is all about this: Block porn or be blocked, Indonesia warns Google, Twitter - Science & Tech - The Jakarta Post ?

Really no ine kniw nothing ? We discusd about how to make noney and our main source of profit and free traffic is going to censor all our sites....
Indonesia ...I guess it needs another tsunami

First we help them and then they do this



Why would google give shit if it gets banned in Indonesia....

Bring him back



He will fix the problem
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if you are not in italy you will not get this result what OP got.



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So maybe this is not a google rules but a country rules
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So maybe this is not a google rules but a country rules
indeed the effect is different by country but it is worldwide visible in all tlds in some countries more in some less.
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indeed the effect is different by country but it is worldwide visible in all tlds in some countries more in some less.
Well I don't see nothing wrong with it.

for example Nigeria:
"sex with 13years old" - full legal.
Germany
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you must follow the rules
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Guys...do you think i'm a stupid child that started working o nthis yesterda ? Looks to be people here are just looking to tell stupid things and no more...


Sure if i posted on forum is because till 2 days ago PORNO in italy was meaning PORNO CONTENT, and sure if i wrote is because i had site it was listed in first 3 result for that keyword. Other site like mine was there. It was between them also following top domains:

xnxx.com
xvideos.com
xhmaster.com
pornhub.com

I mean italian version of that big tube sites.


Now all of them are gone, and just they did not move second page they went out all...


Italy is a small country but sure not the most stupid like Nigeria and Belize, it is a country with normal government and normal law, so nothing different than can be in France or Germany or Belgium or UK,.


PORNO till 2 days ago was meaning PORNO CONTENT and be listed on first page for that word was meaning to be on top of main italian porn sites. I worked hard to be listed also there and i was on the first page some time third position some other in the middle, some other at bottom of the page.

So this just to tell that if i'm telling something strange is going on i tell because i have element to tell. I cheke that word from years, and in 17 years it was always synonymous of porn. Considering the bounce rate fro mthat keyword documented on GA, people was looking really for porn when they was searching PORNO.



Now i post it here and the only tuype of reply are stupid observation and people are speaking me like i'm a child that just started working on and doesnt know how is life,m rules and so on....


Really surprised to see only so stupid reply in here... All webmaster i spoke notice this and you are just sable to reply like i'm stupid...
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I think you are ranting because you are Google Butthurt.

If you own less that 5% of Google's voting stock -- your opinion of Google, or chance to influence Google, is meaningless. You had a nice ride, I am sure -- change is constant. If you cannot adapt your business model on the Internet -- your business dies on the Internet.

We adults all know this -- crybabies do not.

You got lucky and now you are the unfortunate one ...
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I think you are ranting because you are Google Butthurt.

If you own less that 5% of Google's voting stock -- your opinion of Google, or chance to influence Google, is meaningless. You had a nice ride, I am sure -- change is constant. If you cannot adapt your business model on the Internet -- your business dies on the Internet.

We adults all know this -- crybabies do not.

You got lucky and now you are the unfortunate one ...
Agreed, I'm just gonna have to adapt or die
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Guys...do you think i'm a stupid child that started working o nthis yesterda ? Looks to be people here are just looking to tell stupid things and no more...


Sure if i posted on forum is because till 2 days ago PORNO in italy was meaning PORNO CONTENT, and sure if i wrote is because i had site it was listed in first 3 result for that keyword. Other site like mine was there. It was between them also following top domains:

xnxx.com
xvideos.com
xhmaster.com
pornhub.com

I mean italian version of that big tube sites.


Now all of them are gone, and just they did not move second page they went out all...


Italy is a small country but sure not the most stupid like Nigeria and Belize, it is a country with normal government and normal law, so nothing different than can be in France or Germany or Belgium or UK,.


PORNO till 2 days ago was meaning PORNO CONTENT and be listed on first page for that word was meaning to be on top of main italian porn sites. I worked hard to be listed also there and i was on the first page some time third position some other in the middle, some other at bottom of the page.

So this just to tell that if i'm telling something strange is going on i tell because i have element to tell. I cheke that word from years, and in 17 years it was always synonymous of porn. Considering the bounce rate fro mthat keyword documented on GA, people was looking really for porn when they was searching PORNO.



Now i post it here and the only tuype of reply are stupid observation and people are speaking me like i'm a child that just started working on and doesnt know how is life,m rules and so on....


Really surprised to see only so stupid reply in here... All webmaster i spoke notice this and you are just sable to reply like i'm stupid...
as the last poster said - you look this things from YOUR VIEW - if not you would mention the changes in semantic search years ago.

i do that biz now nearly 21 years and as Germany was the country with the most rules from the start on I also saw that nearly all searchengine is blocking porn there except google.

as you said: Italy is a small country and Google does not deal with Italy alone. They try to regulate that within the EU to have some kind of "standard".

I think it will even get harder in January when the new Chrome browser comes out and includes a lot of new features - also child protection features.

but one thing is sure: users what want to see porn will find it. they will learn how to use Google in a way that they will see it (as they always did).
These are the things you have to deal with when you are in porn. When you are 17 years in the biz you should already know that.
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i have to add something because i think in case of Italy there is some bug.

as the usual semantic search is only limited on locations in case of italy it is the language (what i have never seen like that before).

i tried now wwith different VPNs on different google tlds and i can see porn content - as soon as i change language to italan in the google settings it is gone - even on .com with US VPN and private browser.

I can not believe that this is wanted from Google.
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Google sells AdWords for cam and dating related keywords.

Google does not sell AdWords for 'explicit porn' keywords (for paysites and others).

So, there is no money motivation here -- maybe government pressure to censor?

Thanks Vatican???

thommy -- other European countries have the normal SERPs then?
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Google does not sell AdWords for 'explicit porn' keywords (for paysites and others).

So, there is no money motivation here -- maybe government pressure to censor?

Thanks Vatican???
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thommy -- other European countries have the normal SERPs then?
well the others are "normal" in regards to the changes google made in september.

germany´s first page i.e. is a mix of hardcore sites and wikipedia and "help for porn addicted people"

but here ALL is porn when it comes to an exacter search.
i.e. porno videos brings only porn (same as in italy)

the real funny part is that italian language is the only one what reacts on ALL TLDs

i am pretty sure if you search now on your standard google and change the settings in google to language italian you will see nothing as long as you use "unsharp" keys (i do not have a better definition - I gave that issue the name "unsharp" years ago because of exactly that problem).

Google reported a few weeks ago that they now deliver ALWAYS the content for a user based on his IP location. here seems to be a bug in Italy (because it reacts on the language instead of the localtion) or some very strange compromise with the italian government.

nexus: can you try to search from italy in google.it and change the language setting (in google) to another ?

I am not sure if my VPN is not known at google and wonder what results you will see when you accept other then italian language.
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