The ONLY thing the Republicunts have against it is that the Democrats are for it. Kind of like you, apparently. Name one thing wrong with the bill.

So, you ignored everything I already pointed out except #2. Well done.

wow ..... Vendzilla strikes again ... :1orglaugh

The bill is a bail out of the city unions.

They will bring up a new bill next month without the union bail outs and with some changes and it will pass then.

Also, the average settlement was 1.2 million and they agreed not to ask for more money from the Gov't or insurance companies. They signed the contract and took the money and now want to take more money.

There's also 60,000 claims and 4.3 billion won't go that far.

Hey Vendzilla thanks for the entertainment, I just laughed my ass off for the past 10 minutes.

I was just thinking that he has become the polar opposite of TheSenator.

10 minutes? Easily amused or just a slow reader? :upsidedow

Holy shit! - Truth on FOX?!

The End Is Near...

http://failuremag.com/images/uploads...eEndIsNear.jpg

Everyone thinks there insurance is great until they end up with some type of serious chronic condition or something that costs major bucks. Insurance companies don't care who you are they will pull the rug out from under you if it means better profits, just like any corporation. Not to mention that even if they keep paying sometimes just the out of pocket stuff can bankrupt you.

good to know about Shepard

qft. :thumbsup

funny how no one commented on this so far, love these one sided arguments.

EEveryone thinks it's just a simple deal of giving healthcare to some dying first responders... it isn't, that's just the spin on it to demonize anyone who won't vote for it.

All of you go read the legislation as proposed and get back to the thread, it's filled with bullshit.

How about an article/section or page/line of what you consider bullshit?

I just finish eating some tofu and doing yoga. Also, just read through this thread and Vendzilla is towing the line, Gleem picking up the rear and in a surprising turn of events Baddog has some actual content as oppose to his witty one liners.

Gonna grab some organic popcorn and see how this plays out.

did you read the 150+ pages of both versions of the bill? i've read the summaries, no mention of unions. did a search for any provisions re: unions in the actual bills, no mention there.

could you point me to the provisions re: union bail outs? thx in advances.

I think the final version is only 122 pages, but I do not even see the word "union" used even once. It must be a code word or something.

(3) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION -- Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect, modify, or relieve any obligations under a worker's compensation law or plan, other work-related injury or illness benefit plan of an employer, or any health insurance plan.

Ok, I mis-spoke about being filled with bullshit, last time they tried to pass I thought they attached it to a ridiculous spending bill, but it wasn't. The bill has been tried to pass in various versions for 4 years now with crap in and crap taken out.

The history of the bill


Las time the Dems used retarded rules to bring it to the floor in a way that it couldn't be debated on or amended making it difficult to pass and in a way that would piss off the Repubes just so they could run around and point fingers saying the Repubes are hearless bastards, which they did when it didn't pass:

Even Bloomberg was pissed at Dems:


And the real problem is the handling of the cash as usual, a black hole with out accountability and probably funding all kinds of stuff like more bureaucracy and projects that have nothing to do with 9/11 first responders:

Saving me the time to type it from a commenter on another article, the argument against is:

No one wants to hold back medical care and compensation from 9/11 first responders, but probably 90 percent of this money isn't going to them. Instead its being directed to hospital bailouts, union thugs and bigwigs (but I repeat myself) and other wasteful spending. The people against are speaking for the vast majority of Americans who are tired of throwing money at New York and seeing it disappear into a rat hole. 9/11 responders support? Of course. Union bigs and politicos using the 9/11 responders as an excuse for more wasteful and corrupt spending? No way.

Just another payout and money scam by our politicians to spread $8 billion dollars to campaign supporters, family members and their own biz interests on the back of 9/11 survivors.


If they are so concerned about these heroes, where the fuck is the memorial for 9/11, what did they do with all the handwritten notes, momentous and other memorials that were on the iconic fence after 9/11 (locked up and some thrown away) , 10 years later nothing... open your eyes, if they cared they would just give them each their portion of the 8 billion and call it a day. wake up. This is the usual cash grab!


One last time in case the words above are too many words for you to read:
THIS IS JUST A CASH GRAB IN THE NAME OF 9/11 HEROES WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHERE THE CASH IS SPENT

It is laughable that this is the one time the Republicans are concerned with oversight of funds. They did not seem too concerned when $9 billion was lost in Iraq.

Again, it is only because the Democrats want to pass it that they are being dicks. If the filibuster ends, the bill passes . . . as it should.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - Please.

Lloyd, your missing my point, fuck everyone else thats against me on this, they are the peanut gallery anyways. Fuck them, they are drones that will follow their party.
My point is that this is getting shoved thru in a lame duck session, where was this when it was needed? Now that it's a lame session, they are pushing it thru and with little to no debate and pulling at everyone's heart strings.
We have a democratic process and I want a good bill to get pushed thru so those that deserve it get it.

Remember this happened 9 years ago and they are now pushing this thru in a lame duck session, no time for debate, polarizing government politics. If it's a good bill, then why are they not all voting for it?

So, you are against it because the Democrats finally want to get it done. Well done.

If there is something about the bill you do not like, please be specific and point out the page/line/article/section you are referring to.

The Republicans started the cash grab under Bushy with the wars and then the last minute "oh wait, before we leave" TARP bullshit, and the Democrats are just accelerating the money party, they have the same goals, to take money from taxpayers and use that money to enrich their campaign supporters, their family, and to ensure they stay in power as long as possible.

So if one party wants accountability just to fuck over the party, I'll take it since that's the only time either sides cash grab has a chance to be seen for what it is..

.. lol ... count on Vendzilla to make a fool out of himself ... :1orglaugh

I'm pretty sure this bill was introduced in September, so it is not really a "last minute - lame duck session" item. It has been around for almost 4 months now, but because it was introduced by the Dems, and the Repubs decided to oppose EVERYTHING that the Dems wanted, it was rejected by the right.

Most of this shit would have already passed if the political divide wasn't so retarded.

EVERY one of these "lame duck" bills will pass next year, when the righties can take credit for them.

Next year the START treaty, the first responders health care, a form of the DREAM act - everything will likely make it through, one way or the other.

Where did I say I was against the bill? I wanted to know why we needed it?
Shouldn't the healthcare reform law take care of it?

But I have to ask some questions about it, sorry for not trusting the government, I mean we had healthcare reform, why is that not taking care of it, you know the healthcare law that had over 200 companies and unions get a wavier to stay out of for a while?
http://factcheck.org/2010/12/health-care-law-waivers/

How is it you have such an opinion of me, but offer no reason? fucking moron

Why has it taken 9 years to get to this anyways?
Does it really matter who passes it? Obama will get credit, look at Clinton, everyone loves him, but remember, he dropped bombs on Iraq the day before the vote on his impeachment, delaying the vote to give him time.
But no one remembers that......

Actually, the TARP was done with a democrat controlled house and senate, just had a republican president.
But your right, both parties are to blame for the shit we are in

How so?
You are absolutely correct. It is sad that it has taken 9 years, except for the fact that 9 years ago people were not dying from doing their jobs. Now, why wait longer?

Thank you. This is what I have been saying all along. Youj and the rest of the Republicans are against this because you are afraid Obama will get the credit for it.

Pretty fucking selfish, don't you think? Put politics aside for one moment. You can go back to being biased afterward.

You're right. no one remembers that correctly. not even yourself

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-03-23/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

not that that situation has anything even remotely to do with what's being discussed in this thread.

Because it's suppose to give health insurnce to cover people, at least thats the promise

Please show me where I said I was against the bill. please, just one place


again, show me where I said I was against it?

I didn't make this political, I'm questioning the bill, you are the one that's lumping me in with the gop, I'm a registered independent.
I don't care who gets the credit, it will always go to the president, that's the nature of politics

see post # 67 in answer to another non relevant blindly partisan post of your's ( #64 ).

The point of the thread is that these people that put their lives at risk to REALLY help americans should be taken care of , even if it means that a few cases could be abuse of the system ... would not be the first time, right ???

If you looked out the window of a bomber, could you tell the difference?

[QUOTE=directfiesta;17784575]Hey shit for brains, where did I say I was against the bill?

You may be a registered independent, but it stops there. You have yet to show me one thing wrong with the bill, just a bunch of bullshit excuses.

If you are not against the bill why do you think it should not be passed?

I'm not sure if it was already mentioned but also remember that a lot of responders were (unpaid, no benefits) volunteers.

I'm still asking the question, where did I say I wasn't for the bill passing?

Oh is that why the military keeps bombing civilians? because they were lost?


damn that's one dumb post you made there.

Hey shit for brians, where do I say I'm for bombing anyone? fucking retard!

And I said you were.. where exactly?

Your dumb posts are hurting my brians

How many brians do you have exactly?

I don't know. But apparently I get shit for them.

I give you shit for your brains, I don't know your brians