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MetaMan 01-07-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17827518)
yeah, those countries are certainly bastions of hope and successful government representing the people eh.


moeloubani 01-07-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17827518)
yeah, those countries are certainly bastions of hope and successful government representing the people eh.

Yes because in the US your 50/50 split is such a solid representation of the people.

dyna mo 01-07-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17827524)

your point?

dyna mo 01-07-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17827530)
Yes because in the US your 50/50 split is such a solid representation of the people.

never said it was. try again.

moeloubani 01-07-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17827534)
never said it was. try again.

you implied that it was

dyna mo 01-07-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17827570)
you implied that it was

wrong. try again.

SmokeyTheBear 01-07-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17827507)
You can state things all day long that I have not said. Anyone can read my posts and know what I have said.

you implied that nuclear plants designed to make nukes don't need to be inspected, only ones that are used for electricity.

We know israel has nuclear plants, this is a fact. We also have good reason to believe they have nuclear weapons, much more reason than to believe iran does. No nuclear inspectors have ever been allowed to inspect israel nuclear facilities that are known to exist or to inspect suspected nuclear sites. ever...

Do you believe honestly israel should be the only country in the world to not have its weapons inspected ? while at the same time iran should be shunned for allowing iaea to view its facilities but not including americans ?


the real issue here is iran doesn't trust usa and it's puppets and for good reason , they have spied on them in the past , bribed scientists and comitted industrial espionage.

theking 01-07-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17827586)
you implied that nuclear plants designed to make nukes don't need to be inspected, only ones that are used for electricity.

We know israel has nuclear plants, this is a fact. We also have good reason to believe they have nuclear weapons, much more reason than to believe iran does. No nuclear inspectors have ever been allowed to inspect israel nuclear facilities that are known to exist or to inspect suspected nuclear sites. ever...

Do you believe honestly israel should be the only country in the world to not have its weapons inspected ? while at the same time iran should be shunned for allowing iaea to view its facilities but not including americans ?


the real issue here is iran doesn't trust usa and it's puppets and for good reason , they have spied on them in the past , bribed scientists and comitted industrial espionage.

In my opinion...I did not imply that at all. But non the less...I now have an understanding of why the IAEA has never inspected Israel or made a request to do so. The IAEA only inspects countries that are a member of the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) which Israel is not a signator to. It has been Israel's position that they will not become a signator to the NPT until peace reigns in the Middle East.

Iran and North Korea are both signators and that is why they are required to allow the IAEA to inspect...which both do sporadically.

moeloubani 01-07-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17827846)
In my opinion...I did not imply that at all. But non the less...I now have an understanding of why the IAEA has never inspected Israel or made a request to do so. The IAEA only inspects countries that are a member of the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) which Israel is not a signator to. It has been Israel's position that they will not become a signator to the NPT until peace reigns in the Middle East.

Iran and North Korea are both signators and that is why they are required to allow the IAEA to inspect...which both do sporadically.

India and Pakistan both are not signatories of the NPT and allow the IAEA to inspect their nuclear facilities. And they both have nuclear weapons.

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It has been Israel's position that they will not become a signator to the NPT until peace reigns in the Middle East.
That there is called made up since you have no source for that and just pulled it out of thin air.

Also keep in mind that every other country in the Middle East has signed it.

sperbonzo 01-07-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17827378)
LOL Really?? I heard plently about that actually.

Then why is everyone on this thread acting like the US and Israel are the big bad guys who are making up a bunch of mean-spirited lies about Iran, when the other Arab countries are afraid of them and want us to take them out?

theking 01-07-2011 03:45 PM

I guess I mis-spoke about North Korea being a member...according to Wikipedia it withdrew from the treaty in 2003.

MetaMan 01-07-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17827870)
Then why is everyone on this thread acting like the US and Israel are the big bad guys who are making up a bunch of mean-spirited lies about Iran, when the other Arab countries are afraid of them and want us to take them out?

Um it is the USA allies in the Arab world that are saying it. Let me guess you are thinking of Saudi Arabia. LOL LOL

Let me guess you believe all Arabs and Muslims are the same? :1orglaugh

moeloubani 01-07-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17827870)
Then why is everyone on this thread acting like the US and Israel are the big bad guys who are making up a bunch of mean-spirited lies about Iran, when the other Arab countries are afraid of them and want us to take them out?

You mean the US has never made up mean spirited lies to try to take over a country? They've already done it in Iran once. They even tried to do it in Cuba by having 'terrorist attacks' go off in Florida that they would fund just to make the people scared. You, sperbonzo, are one of those frightened ones.

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I guess I mis-spoke about North Korea being a member...according to Wikipedia it withdrew from the treaty in 2003.
Misspoke? You mean you were wrong because you didn't bother to look it up.

SmokeyTheBear 01-07-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17827846)
.I now have an understanding of why the IAEA has never inspected Israel or made a request to do so. The IAEA only inspects countries that are a member of the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) which Israel is not a signator to.

well thats a great excuse , has nothing to do with the fact they have nukes and inspectors have never inspected their facilities.

every country with nukes has allowed nuclear inspectors , every one , except israel.

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17827846)
It has been Israel's position that they will not become a signator to the NPT until peace reigns in the Middle East.

and since israel is anything but peacefull they are basically saying they will never sign it..


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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17827846)
Iran and North Korea are both signators and that is why they are required to allow the IAEA to inspect...which both do sporadically.

and so that leaves israel as the only country who has never allowed nuclear inspectors. ( that was my original point )

sperbonzo 01-07-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17827889)
You mean the US has never made up mean spirited lies to try to take over a country? They've already done it in Iran once. They even tried to do it in Cuba by having 'terrorist attacks' go off in Florida that they would fund just to make the people scared. You, sperbonzo, are one of those frightened ones.

Yes, every country has done terrible things on this planet... Every.... Single.... One.

What does that have to do with the fact that more than 12 other Sunni Arab countries are egging us on to take down the Iranian government because they are afraid of them?

...and making a personal remark about me based on no information is just plain silly btw...


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MetaMan 01-07-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17827904)
Yes, every country has done terrible things on this planet... Every.... Single.... One.

What does that have to do with the fact that more than 12 other Sunni Arab countries are egging us on to take down the Iranian government because they are afraid of them?

...and making a personal remark about me based on no information is just plain silly btw...


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So by your thinking China and Japan must be allies because they are both Asian. Quality thinking right there champ.

Do yourself a favor and start reading about the Shah of Iran. Not sure but i dont think people like when outside forces overthrow their country and sell off their resources. But hey big bad Iranians.

Coup 01-07-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17827518)
yeah, those countries are certainly bastions of hope and successful government representing the people eh.

I don't recall commenting on the quality of their leadership in this thread. care to point out where i did?

moeloubani 01-07-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 17827904)
Yes, every country has done terrible things on this planet... Every.... Single.... One.

What does that have to do with the fact that more than 12 other Sunni Arab countries are egging us on to take down the Iranian government because they are afraid of them?

...and making a personal remark about me based on no information is just plain silly btw...


.

The remark was based on tons of comments I've seen you make on this board that show that you aren't going at this with an open mind but rather the mind of someone who is unresponsive to any facts and the truth.

I was responding to you saying that the US and Israel are not the bad guys and that they aren't making up lies about Iran.

dyna mo 01-07-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17827916)
I don't recall commenting on the quality of their leadership in this thread. care to point out where i did?

my point is that it does not make sense to trumpet those countries as anti-imperialist in some sort of bizarre positive portrayal that makes them out to be better than the u.s. simply because the "stand-up" against the west.


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