just be careful when your 16 year old comes sneaking into the house at 3am, try not to kill him/her.

chances are though, if a criminal didn't think you had a gun in the house, he wouldn't have one either. i knew lots of criminals in my younger days, none used any weapon when they broke into a home. if they saw someone there, they were gone. they just wanted empty homes.

regardless, you would think here in canada we would have a gun problem. its pretty hard to get a handgun and most illegal guns come from the US. shouldn't we canadians be getting killed by criminals in record numbers since we are for the most part, unarmed?

I've always wanted to get a gun. Something simple, but I know I'd never use it.

qft, not to mention that the buckshot will likely not go through multiple walls meaning when you miss the would be intruder you do not kill your neighbor next-door or daughter sleeping in the other room. Also it maybe advised to load a couple rubber rounds or beanbag rounds first, you can't take back killing someone.

Bottom line hand guns will never be an argument for home defense and rifles are for hunting.

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I have lots of guns but no pics. I am an avid hunter (water fowl mostly) My favorite gun is my Italian double barrel from 1939. Very pretty engravings and is very accurate. I have a couple of hand guns but only shoot those 1-2 times a year either at the range or up at my cabin.

When I am not using my handguns I have them locked up in a safe so nobody can access them. If someone were to break into my house in the middle of the night there would be no way to get to them fast enough to stop the intruder. Although to be honest, I didnt buy them for home protection. I bought them for hunting and just fucking around at the range.

All of that's totally useless when you havn't got one of those Chinese shovels.

Acording the the DOJ, only 8% of violent crimes in the US involve a gun, you watch too much TV.

So gun bans would only ban people from protecting themselves

A Perazzi shotgun? They are very pretty, expensive too

once again we have somone posting scenarios of what could happen to a gun owner..

so ill ask again and add your name to the list

blackcrayon,slutboat ,pete ,pr glen...QUESTION:what would you do in the middle of the nite if you heard a window break and someone enter your house? call 911 and hope for the best? hope your not bringing a lousviille slugger to a gun fight? Yell "get out of my house ive call the police"..

Please ..lets just see one of you come up with a halfway intelligent answer to my question :helpme

there is a lot of middle ground between just calling 911 or blazing away with a handgun.

moreover, anyone serious about protecting their home with a firearm in the unlikely event of a break-in while home knows the best firearm is a shotgun, not a 9mm.

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SO no answer from you..thanks for the input... but..still no answer to my question.

..i have a 12 gauge benelli in the bedroom closet..and keep the 40cal in the nitestand...the 9mm handgun stays in the truck. i think im covered but thanks for the tip:winkwink:

This is partially true. Yes, there is the wall thing. But there is also maneuverability. Shotgun is great when you preemptively hear an intrusion. Handgun for nightstand and quick reaction.

This all scenario in my head though. I hope the case never arises. I personally bought my handgun mainly to practice shooting with and have fun with friends. But I also chose to buy the handgun that I did because I have started frequenting Vegas and just being around the city I have seen some shit... right in broad daylight. People getting hassled by "questionable fellows", people literally breaking into cars in parking lots with no discretion at all.

I have yet to get my CCW still but I definitely plan on it the longer I stay here in Vegas.

Take all that as you like. DOnt be stupid or gangster... be prepared.



Hopefully I use this weapon for the rest of its day only out on the range.

40 cal, 9mm, the .045 millimeter difference isn't going to help you when you are 1/2 asleep, 1/2 drunk and not fully aware of wtf is going on.

Okay, very well.

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*Winks*
Deidre

machine gun jubblies!

ya wake up pretty fast when you hear somone breakng into your house...i know this is a FACT: none of this caliburs will help you if you dont have a firearm :winkwink:

i was thinking more of a 12 gauge double barrell shotgun :1orglaugh

oh, i have a remington 870 i keep in the bedroom. but i also have secured my doors and windows properly, have a security system and a dog. i got rid of all my handguns last year.

I good security system is a great thing. this system Ive been dealing with is insane.... Shit even goes off on me... let me tell you... the whole fucking neighborhood is on alert when someones alarm goes off around here :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh don't mistake yourself for a burglar!

Awesome:thumbsup

Yea a little late... DOne shot myself in the fucking leg again...

sounds like it was just a flesh wound, nothing serious eh.........

ehh.... barely missed the femoral ... no biggie...

That simple logic right there is why America has such a huge problem.

"i'll match your gun with my gun"


To coin a phrase, 2 wrongs don't make a right... :2 cents:

And to add to that, if that's the case, why is America's crime rate so high ??

Seems it doesn't put off that many people after all...

DEA are you serious dude? A halfway intelligent answer to a question that shows you have very little intelligence?

See there is this little thing called statistics, also a nagging little thing called FACT. You must know that during a home invasion robbery you are FAR FAR more likely to be killed by your own gun, or shot in response to you reaching for a gun, or killed AFTER you have shot the intruder, this is not my opinion, this is hard cold FACT.

You are a fucking SUCKER to NRA propaganda man. And you probably watch too many action flicks where people drop to the ground after being shot. In the real world it can take many direct hits from bullets and several minutes to make an aggressor go to the floor - in the mean time they are driving a knife into your chest, taking your own gun from you, or strangling you..

What fantasy world do you live in where you think an intruder is going to break glass or make enough noise to wake you up? Get real dude...don't you realize that robbers plan their attacks and use almost never give victims a chance to reach for a weapon - and if you do reach for a weapon BAM you're dead man.

One of my best friends was killed because he went for a gun during a fight, it wasn't even that serious of an altercation, had he not owned a gun he would be alive today.

For every story of someone driving away an intruder with a gun there are dozens if not HUNDREDS of accounts of people being shot with their own guns, or shooting themselves accidentally, or shooting their kids or wife, or a friend by mistake...and of course the worst - kids shooting kids.

You live in a fantasy world fueled by millions of dollars of lobbying money by the ultra Pro-Murder organization called the NRA and Hollywood action flicks. You are a stooge, a patsy. Your ideas are bought and paid for by corporate hacks and cooked up in boardrooms and spoon fed to you like a crack whore, and you bought it hook line and sinker.

There is only ONE good use for your silly arsenal and (hopefully) only ONE person your bitchin macho man murder kit will ever kill and that is YOU...

So dip the tip of the barrel in peanut butter, it will taste better, and get it over with already.

Another great chapter in your rambling manifesto...bravo:thumbsup

Again you failed to answer my one question ...so ill ask again :

QUESTION:what would you do in the middle of the nite if you heard a window break and someone enter your house? call 911 and hope for the best? hope your not bringing a lousviille slugger to a gun fight? Yell "get out of my house ive call the police"..

see if you can give me a simple straight foward answer that doesnt involve a 1000 word uni-bomber like response :helpme

Wow what is that?
What round? is it a .223 ?

Looks amazing

HAHAHA - You are the first guy to react to me and make me laugh, I like you dude.

Yes of course the first step is calling 911 then I would attack the intruder if possible, or not attack and try to reason out the situaltion... and possibly go for one of my weapons or try to take the weapon he may be carrying. The point is that I would react to the situation with logic and try to keep myself and family from harm - in the vast majority of cases - going for a gun is going to get you killed.

Actually it has happened to me, I have been in an invasion scenario and I went for a gun - it almost got me killed...Going for that gun was one of the dumbest things I have ever done... I'm not going to elaborate on an ugly memory for anyones benefit so don't ask.

The point is your scenario is the vast exception to the rule - attackers are on offense, they have stealth and planning on their side. They are expecting you to go for a weapon - it will likely NEVER happen that they will give you a chance to get your hands on a weapon. It's fantasy dude - guns for personal protection is a big myth.

So let me ask you this:

Does it occur to you that you (or a family member) might be killed with one of your guns? Or killed because you made the choice to attempt to defend yourself with deadly force?

Do you think the odds are better of you successfully defending yourself and family with guns than getting yourself or family killed because of them?

I know several people who have paid the ultimate price for their gun ownership (most recently Earl Millers 18 year old son who I knew well)... RIP

The UK is packed with illegal immigrants aswell. And yes crime etc is much worse.

However, starting a gun culture here would just be a disaster, and something i hope i never see...

5.7x28mm

That gun has its own custom round.

Firstly, whenever I see a statement claiming X, Y, or Z to be true on the basis it's a "fact" with little to no other detail, I'm immediately skeptical.

While it's easy to find numerous examples of people being shot despite having a gun, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the number of people who had a gun and scared the intruder away.

Furthermore, the mere perception of a person possibly being armed dissuades many would-be intruders from even trying.

Ron

to answer your questions

yes and yes

Id rather try and defend myself and family with deadly force than have somone use deadly force or toture or sexual abuse on me or my family becasue i simply gave up in hopes they wouldt harm us.Id rather die trying to stop that from happening rather than live the rest of my life knowing i didnt even try to stop it.As far as a family member getting killed due to my guns or attepmts at defending us...again i would also feel alot better going through the rest of my life knowing my family member died knowing i did my best to defend them.If they died due to my lack of gun saftey or proper care/storage then that would be on me and i would have to deal with knowing there death was due to my negligence..but not my choice to actually own a firearm.

its only fair i ask you the same question but in reverse.

Does it occur to you that your famiy or you could die get raped or injured because "Dad said it was better for us to just give in to a robber or intruder than try and defend ourselves"..Would you be able to live with yourself knowing you and your family calmly dropped your pants,leaned over the bed and just took it in the ass because YOU deciced its better than risking getting hurt or killed trying to defend yourself and them?...gimme an answer like i did for you:helpme

Oh I have weapons and I would attack an intruder if I had the opportunity, and get his gun or weapon from him and use it on him if possible - so the way you posed your question has no basis in logic.

And your answers YES to my questions are just as silly as if I had asked you "If you played red all night on roulette would you come out ahead?" The facts and stats prove you very wrong.

I have been in violent altercations that you may have only seen the likes of in movies, and I was formerly a gun owner. I don't expect you to believe my side of this argument but you will remember me the moment you feel the pain of a bullet hole for your hubris.

PS - Go Dinar! :)

These violent altercations you had in the past.. im going to go ahead and assume you were breaking the law in some way ,shape or form before or during this altercation taking place ..I.E..selling ,buying,doing drugs or some other illegal activity wich you were a willing player?...Ill also assumue you may not legally be allowed to own firearms and/or due to the violence that took place during your previous illegal activity is one of the reasons you feel soo strongly about not having guns?

ive made it to almost 40 years without wanting or having to use a gun for anything other than hunting or target practice.I dont forsee that changing anytime in the near or distant future but as we all know anything can happen..and if and when it does ill deal with results knowing my intentions were for the best:winkwink:

P.S. Yes RV is going to happen:thumbsup

Nice BOB. I have a few more things in my mine. Why pick the .40 cal? I have my BOB with 9mm as it's the easiest to procure being the most dominant round out there.