50 alcoholics?

51 poseurs :thumbsup

I was thinking San Diego - but I recall that misadventure as well! Ha.

Good times.

Trust me, most of these idiots who are saying that it sucks are saying so for one of the following reasons:

1. They were expecting a girl to pop out of the bottle and blow them.
2. They don't know champagne and would not appreciate the subtleties that make high end champagnes different from one another. You really have to build your way up to it. That makes it somewhat understandable as to how someone might like the $100 PJ better. They might be able to tell the difference between the $40 PJ and the $100 PJ, but not the $100 PJ and the $300 Cristal. When you're able to tell the difference between something like the $100 PJ or the Veuve Ponsardin or an off vintage Dom, then you take the step up to better vintage Doms, Krug, and Cristal.
3. They are put off by the hip hop/flashy image of the brand. An image the company itself has tried to distance itself from.
4. They were offended by comments the Roederer CEO made when giving his own opinion about all the hip hop shout outs. Comments that led Jay Z to boycott.
5. They think it's fun to say it sucks because they enjoy playing the role of a contrarian even if they've never tried it.
6. They were already drunk when they drank it.

1) And still waiting...
2) It would need some taste before you could appreciate it.
3) Oh shit it's a black hiphop thing? I best give up pussy, nice/fast cars, and money then!
4) No idea who Roederer is.. and I'm not a JayZ fan either.
5) I've had it several times, it's never been good.
6) Probably not... as when I'm drunk, I never drink anything that tastes bad for fear that it will come back up. Cristal would for sure be one of those drinks.


Let me add a #7... Cheap shit taste better, to prove it - blindfold yourself, taste several types, and rank them. The Cristal will be at the very bottom - like it always is for everyone that does this. Just like if you have cheap stuff vs. Cristal, almost everyone will say the cheap stuff is better if they have no idea which is which.

Cristal is the bud light of Champagne... oh it's drinkable, some people rave about (that it has taste)... but the rest of the world knows it's complete shit.

think im gonna avoid it for now and go for the hihgly reccomended stuff

Oh that looks so pretty!! No matter what the taste is, this is a winner anyway. :winkwink:

This does not happen on gfy. You must be new here.

This is bogus. Giving random people blind tastings tells you absolutely nothing about anything. Wine/champagne requires knowledge and education to appreciate it.

Just because you give a 21 year old kid a blind tasting and he chooses Boone's Farm over Screaming Eagle, doesn't mean it's better.

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you got that right

Well... if you blind taste it, and it tastes like crap - it makes no difference what knowledge or education you have about it - it's still crap!

Being that it tastes, no different than a $20 bottle of shit off the shelf, it has the same nasty after taste, it kills/covers the entire pallet and is strong enough in flavor to kill the taste of food. It's shit, by all factors.

I'm not into the snob crap.. the who, where, and with what. I don't need to pretend to be something I'm not - if it tastes like crap, it's crap! I'm not going to pretend it's good, no mater how much I know about it, I'll let others be sheep and pretend they're something they aren't.

If you're in our Industry, been to more than a couple of shows, and you haven't had it, then I don't really know what to say, other than get out more... :)

I've got a bottle in my hutch, for a few years now, I'm pretty sure it was unused booze from a past show.

Dom first, then Perrier Jouet.

perrier jouet, gonna invest!

I agree with you somewhat but Jimmy 3-way has a point.. what if we blind taste tested you and gave you cristal, a wine cooler and some welches grape juice? If you are a big fan of grape juice you will say the third one is better, this doesn't make it the best champaign though :)

I have a feeling its an acquired taste like most alcohol.. I hated the taste of beer when i first started drinking it, even to this day it isn't my favourite thing to drink, but I do recognize what tastes better than others to a certain degree. If you aren't a big fan of champagne in general, which is probably most of us here being that none of us are prom girls or celebrate new year every week, then it would explain why most of us aren't fans, including myself. just my :2 cents: anyway.

You're flat wrong.

Knowing you as I do you'll never admit it.

But you are. You don't pop out of the womb with 100% valid opinions on everything based on your senses.

Never understood the need for teaching someone that a certain drink is superior.

Either something really is better and should be able to stand on it's own merit, or its cat piss with a fancy label.

I drink only cheap wines.

PJ Rose is my favorite...

no one remembers Cristal 4 All party?

http://fubarwebmasters.com/archive/v...4a/z003658.jpg

Fruit juices and champaign are vastly differently... not really even worth comparing in any kind of taste test.

Like anything, from drink to food, always a huge group of people that like even the worst of things.

Beers are a great example... Several types of beer I don't like, actually very few that I do. But the ones I don't like, still have taste - just a taste I don't like.

Champaign, is like beer too me, most of it does not taste good to me - but they do have a taste. It's my personal preference if that taste is good or not.

I'm not saying Cristal isn't good to some people. Heck, if it was $20, I would say it's a great $20 bottle of Champaign. Why? Because $20 bottles of Champaign have a odd, off taste that sticks around after you drink it - much the same type of taste that sticks around with Cristal.

I'm not trying to judge this as in, good vs. bad here... I just think it greatly lacks in taste (compared to others posted here) for sure with it's price.

When you say 'sheep', are you talking about the 2 or 3 of us in this thread who actually know what we're talking about, or the 20 or so others who have been quick to mention how horrible their Kristal experiences have been while simultaneously touting a Perrier Jouet gift set that comes with pretty glasses?

Babies think everything but titty milk is disgusting. We learn to taste. You can't argue my point, you are just being stubborn.

Those glasses are damn pretty...

I agree Hands down.. I had a bottle of Cristal Rose 83.. it was good.. but the Krug blew me away. By far the best champagne Ive ever had. 2nd fave had to be the Pol Roger Rose 88. That was tasty and was only $50 a bottle

Touching on what Jimmy said, I've had friends flat out say they don't like wine, because the wine they have had wasn't very good, OR they just didn't enjoy the style of the wine they had tried in the past. Give them something decent, or a style that they like and it changes their opinion. Everyone has their own particular tastes. Its just a matter of educating yourself on what they are

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Thanks I totally forgot about that one :winkwink:

What am I wrong about? Blind taste tests have been used in the food Industry for 30 years to shape what we eat and drink today. What doesn't work, is 'asking' what people like... 99% of the population, truly have no idea what they do and don't like and blind taste tests have proven that.

If you wish to research this, look into the bottled spaghetti sauce history for years of research, stats and proof.



When someone asks if you have an opinion on something, and you give it - that person giving the opinion, is not wrong. At that, an opinion doesn't have to be validated...

Here's where education comes in:

Cheap champagne tastes like cat piss because of the pinot gris in it. Fine champagne is either 100% chard or a blend of pinot noir and chard.

You actually just illustrated my point.

Wow.

When I say sheep, it's targeted towards those that drink or eat, horrible tasting things - because it's the cool thing to do - rather than, listening to what they actually like.

Why would you have anymore clue over the subject than the other 20 or so others that have tried them as well? We're all a bunch of pornographers on a forum... I'm pretty sure none of us make the shit for a living.

I am not a fan of Cristal at all and I do like champagne, for my taste Krug is a clear winner.

While that is true, if I ask a 12 year old his opinion on the Israeli Palestinian conflict, blowjobs or shaving cream, it doesn't mean fuck all because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Same with uneducated palates, if you have never tasted something before and have no idea what to expect, your opinion is completely worthless. It may be your opinion, but it doesn't MEAN anything.

Listen to yourself...

Why don't we just quit recommending anything to anyone. Next time someone asks for a new restaurant to eat at, be sure to tell them that you can't give then an opinion because they have an uneducated palate for the food they'll be eating thus your opinion makes no difference.

I'm sure it will be much appreciated that you've put them in check.

You are missing the point, entirely in your quest to bash on 'snobs'.

tequila gin rum ftw

dwreck??

who needs a big hug from a bottle of cristal in here? i do

i love cristal, i always get this crisp apple flavor from it, maybe its just me but thats why i like it.

also love the pj

i have drank tons and tons of champagne over the years and i still think cristal is one of the better ones. i cant say its the best cause when you are at that price level pretty much all of them are pretty tasty. just comes down to your tastes, if you drink it a lot you will develop reasons to why you prefer one over the other. in the end who cares, drink what you like.

i fucking love miller high life and thats a shit beer, but its the champagne of beers!!

The problem is.. that its all too subjective, if you've never eaten fois gras or truffles, and you don't appreciate what you are eating, some might be tempted to say that they taste like shit. Jimmy's point is that perhaps someone who maybe only likes Applebees Steak, may not be qualified to say if the food they are eating at The French Laundry is good or not. Its all about appreciating the subtleties. That's not to say that Applebees is bad, but at the French Laundry, you are paying the difference for what you hope is food on another level. Whether the person's palate gets that, is up to that individual.

I'm calling you a liar.

Unless you prove it by inviting me out for some Cristal.

Fake snobs... and no, I didn't miss the point, I answered the OP request for an opinion, like others.

I don't care that you think the opinion isn't valid because the person may not have tasted it and thus could like it. We're all very aware that people have different tastes.... I'm more than sure people sharing the opinions do not need need to be informed of such frivolous details or... have the opinions they gave questioned by, fake snobs on gfy.

I prefer a dom perignon from the early 90's but it's not bad.

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not.

The problem is we talking about opinions... and opinions are subjective all around.

I'm pretty sure the OP has had good champagne's before. So we're not recommending the local tailor trash ho to upgrade from Apple bees to Charlie Trotter and asking for an educated opinion and expecting to get one.

Here's a good book by Jay McInerney. The champagne chapters start on page 45. The Cult of Krug, which starts on page 64, is a must read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=trk...page&q&f=false

just spray bourbon on bitches

I'm not a champagne expert but I did buy a bottle and didn't really enjoy it. I literally poured half of it down the drain a couple days later. I don't need to be "educated" on champagne to know I didn't enjoy it.

Give me some Milagro Select Barrel Reserve Anejo for half the price any day :)

exactly much better:thumbsup

what does it say?
 

Krug is awesome. All the other houses say, "Krug and ours are the best". Any of the tête de cuvée are works of art though.

thanks for the feedback guys!