Mutt, we have Business Units. Brazzers/Mofos does not benefit from the tubes... They have to pay for ads like anybody else... So it's hardly the tubes money that made them big...

nice story

there is no doubt about the content quality at brazzers, don't Jules jourdan shoots Most of it?
and that member area is fucking flawless ( updates, navigation, stream quality, delivery methods, you name it...), thus the rebills

not kissing ass, just saying... i see a lot of shit talkers here with the worth member areas

nickey. i am going to steal every scene you shot so i can make it big with my tube. is that ok? its just big business being big business after all.

i agree. There was a program on UK TV not so long ago about the billion dollar products, bottled water was one of them.
Bottled water is more pure, where tap water can contain chemicals, bottled water is considered safer.

So the customers are looking for quality and safety. . . could this apply to online sales also?!

ohhh.... and convenience!!

they rocked our world

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What an useless debate...

So you need to stay nice to them. OK no problem.

Is the Nick you need to contact the OP. Another guy who needs to be nice?

I seriously don't know where you get the idea it's quality content. Yes it's shot on good cameras, yes it's lit well. These are elementary and can be done so easily anyone with the minimum skill can bring it off.

The quality is in the content of the scene. No porn consumer gets off on the crispness of the image or lighting. The scenes are contrived, fake and not very well done. Ive posted a link to a scene and no one seems to want to comment on it.

After 30 years of producing and consuming porn I have an idea of what a porn scene should contain. The scenes I saw on Brazzers don't contain them.

Here was the comments for that scene I sent to Fabian.

The bold is basic flaws an experienced shooter would never make. A lot of the scenes on Brazzers contain similar flaws.

um......... you would have no idea how business was done at Brazzers/Mansef back then, you were at TMM at the time.

the big budgets for Brazzers productions came with the success of Pornhub. that's the truth.

i'm not even fighting, porn tubes were inevitable in the wake of YouTube's success, if it wasn't Brazzers it would have been others and there are others. But that doesn't make it any more defensible.

you may want to wipe your nose and gargle now you are done tossing their salad.

Nathan is by far my fave program owner, can become a keyboard warrior like the average shmuck here, except he's got the game to back up the talk.


Can I fly up there and shadow you for a week? I need to get 70 signups a day too.

I have really no idea what you are talking about. Need to stay nice to them? Nick the OP? Another guy to be nice?

Don't drink during the day Paul :2 cents:

another entertaining gfy vs the brazzers thread

Well then I think you are doing much better with them than the average affiliate assuming your ratios aren't horrid. I never attempted to promote them because I used to read people I knew to be straight talkers complaining about 1:20,000 ratios even many years ago when that was almost unheard of. I suppose it's possible that they changed for the better but consider me a bit skeptical. One thing I will give Manwin is that they generally pay webmasters what is shown as being due to them in the stats. They also do less shady things on average than some other popular sponsors if you discount the whole stolen content on the tubes thing.

Ofcourse you are free to doubt me but the main reason it did so well for us was that the content they shot was matching our top babes almost 99% of the time. Shyla Stylez was huge on FreeOnes, boom Brazzers shot her and we made a ton of money together.

Their affiliate manager made it clear that if you work with them they can improve the conversion ratios. He was quite adamant about it. Either they're more expert at converting other peoples traffic or it's magic join links. :1orglaugh

what he said...

and now to read it...

Often when you work with a good affiliate manager you can improve the ratios together (tweaking on both sides) Paul, not something you would understand I know :error

yeah that's the way to work for sure.....

I'm not doubting you (actually for a long time I have considered you guys one of the "good guys" of the industry). There are many possible explanations for why so many other webmasters could have bad experiences while Freeones does very well. That it matches your top babes is one very good explanation.

I would never take someone's word that a program doesn't convert and assume they wouldn't convert for me either. If a site is huge I generally like to give it a push to see how my traffic would do with it. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. In the Brazzers case it worked. We've always made really big bank with them.

The sites and traffic I had were easy to get 70 signups a day for a particular sponsor. I promote over 400 programs...though I have nothing for traffic now. All my old surfers are over at Pornhub now.

As for Fabian...he's a clown. He's NEVER made sales in his life in this business. He had NOTHING to do with Mansef/Brazzers climb to the top. And now he's just running his dick skinners as a front guy. I have no respect for him as somebody who actually has done anything. His whole track record was building NATS in the beginning.

The only affilate program he TRIED to run...died in a matter of months.

He can try to talk crap all day long...but I can guarantee you there was indeed a time when my ex-partner and I were amongst the biggest affiliates that Jug Cash had...and they were only one of our "middle" performing programs that we pushed.

Doesn't really mean anything. Just saying that TODAY they are not an easy sell.

And yeah, I remember about a year or so ago that Roald did post that they had sold a ton of $5 memberships to Jug Cash (I think it was 5 bucks, but if not it was some cool heavily discounted membership promo) And the numbers he spoke of were real good for the amount of traffic they have.

But the rest of us affiliates out here are hard pressed to make a sale on Jug Cash. I pretty much stopped pushing them last year except for all the old stuff I have up everywhere.

And in 2010 I had zero new sales with them. The reason? Because I was down to 1:3078 in 2009 and I decided to stop pushing them much. In 2010 I only sent a little traffic and ended up 0:9253

So maybe some affiliates in 2010 pushed it and did make some good money? I don't know.

I just know that at the height of my super "powers" (lol), they were a "middle" program for me. Not bad. Not great. Just okay.

And again...I've always liked their content. I have nothing bad to say about any of their pay sites. Of course, Fabian had nothing to do with any of the ideas or execution that went behind any of those sites.

How much day to day he does now is unknown to me and I don't really care.

Respect is earned from me. Fabian has my respect for writing NATS version 1 and any other early versions he wrote years ago.
He has my respect for having the charm and ability to end up as "the man" in front of Manwin (that too takes some talent believe it or not...not just anybody could have pulled off this stunt)

He lost my respect when he started swaggering about around here and pretending that he is an expert in porn. He may THINK he earned his stripes with the small resume he has, but to me and a lot of other guys who have worked at a certain level for 15 years while he spent most of that time unsuccessfully trying to be somebody...he has not.

A little humility would go a long way with me. But I guess if I were in Fabian's current position I wouldn't worry what a washed up affiliate like me thinks. Hell, I don't have enough traffic anymore to even be a speck on the landscape. Who gives a shit what I think?

Keep it up Fabian! Hopefully for you nothing goes wrong. But please stop talking down to people who actually know and do things in this biz. By the way...have you yet ever even been to a porn shoot? lol Don't bother answering. It's rhetorical.

I have the "porn tycoon" on "Ignore" but I saw him calling my name when he was quoted by gleem. :)

At that time I had no shortage of great programs to promote and had many other potential sponsors to work with at any given moment. I could not promote them all and had to prioritize since I'm one man. I keep track of people who I trust and know to be honest who also seem to have near the same experiences as I do with sponsors most of the time. If many of them all say the same thing then it carries a lot of weight with me because they have almost always been right in the past. It's a system which has historically worked for me. I wish I would have been able promote everyone and give them a shot though. I agree that is ideal. Thinking for oneself is always best. :)

Or ...................

Why don't you grow some balls and post in plain english what your insinuating? I smell a ban on the way, but you know I hope not. You bring a lot of traffic to GFY, many people come here just to read the stupid shit that pours from your mouth. God your pathetic.

Whose your biggest customer these days? :1orglaugh

way to go on the shameless kissing ass.

to those who post long stories. Thanks for the scroll

If I was selling drugs to kids I would also be praising the mafia.

Imagine what would happen if Freeones left :( All those 50 sales would be gone too! I'd go broke...

signupdamnit, its not too late to try ;) Maybe I can get to 51 sales a day! WOOHOO

Sorry, I'm being a bit silly.. good day today.. both personal and biz...

Thats funny. But i get it because i say that Brazzers content quality is very good? I like the quality DWB puts out too. Especially for the risk he takes and shit he has to deal with shooting his content in Thailand.Does that mean i kiss DWB's ass too? Cant pay anybody a complement around here with out getting it from sombody. But then again this GFY.


Those days are dead and gone. You need to live in the "today", the "Now".

Paul, you are right, I did miss the "good old days" the "hey day" boat. And yes You rode it and made your money. I have mad respect for you for you and all of your accomplishments. Good for you. Im not here to fight with you or anybody, i just disagree with you and a few others.


And as far as me missing the boat, you are dead right. I have missed the good old days boat. I have not made the kind of money you have probably made.

I have only been in this business for the last 10 years. I live in Porn Valley where the best of the best compete for work. It is cut throat here and people who i know are good content shooters are leaving everyday.


But guess what? I live in the "today", "the now" and i manage to still work a lot in this biz and I manage to maintain my 6K square foot studio space that i bought and paid for with my own money. That is money, i make "today", not money i made 20 years ago. I must be doing something right.



I have no issues with you Paul. In fact, i respect you for everything you have done. But you really need to quit talking about how it "used to be", the "good old days", in every post you make. People are over it. Those days are dead and gone. You could not come to my neck of the woods and duplicate what you did 20 years ago, today. That is a fact, a "today" fact.




I stand by my statements:

Nicky is good solid people who i have the utmost respect for as a person and as a content shooter and he has also been in this business for 25+ years. I can call Nicky any time with any question i have about anything and he gives me the honest answer. He is the single most strait up person that i have ever had the pleasure of meeting in the adult business. People like that will always get my respect.

Nicky lives in the "today", the "now", he also lives, shoots in porn valley. He competes with the best of the best and he is still working.


And as of "today" not 20 years ago Brazzers has some of the nets very best online adult content. I don't give a fuck who had the idea 1st or who originated that style of shooting. I am talking about what is getting shot and produced "today".



And to you people who say that Brazzers copied Naughty America? Really? Or copied Bret Brando who shot all of the Naughty America stuff? Bret Brando who created the Naughty America style?

For you people who dont know, Bret Brando (who is a top notch shooter) has been working for Brazzers for the past 3 years or so.:2 cents:

Robbie, (someone will have to quote that one again <G> if anyone cares for an answer)

Thanks for the kudos on NATS... even from you...

Robbie, I am not talking down to you... 70 sales a day man to one program... that's awesome... and I mean that... also, I never claimed I made brazzers what it is today. _I_ would never take that credit, I just own the company and guide the team as to where I want to get, give them a vision, give them a target, give them incentives, make sure they are happy.. the team makes the magic happen... My magic is making sure the team is the right team and the team has what it needs to achieve its optimal goals...

Have I managed to amass one of the biggest if not the biggest online porn company on the planet? Yes, I have, with operations not only in North America but also in Europe, and looking into Asia (although fuck that is complicated to get into)... I honestly do not care if you think that is an achievement or not, I think I can be proud of it...

I also am not sure if you grasp what this company is. I have no time to do day to day things. I talk to my CEOs every day, I talk to certain key people often, for example the CFO... but day to day running the actual Manwin Canada biz... of course not! Never claimed I run that.. and since you asked, yes I was at a porn shoot... both professional and amateur.... (visited our Las Vegas production partner before I purchased and amateur, I pay 2000 amateur performers each month in europe to produce content at home... I know many many of them personally...)

Do you know what I did exactly between leaving NATS and today? No you do not, you know very little actually, in fact you know only what you see online... which, quite frankly, shows you but the tip of the iceberg, and more often than not, the negative sides of it...

That's where I come in. I know how to manage that complicated Asian mess.








Just kidding. Fuck you. :winkwink:

Really? For cams? That's pretty impressive. I paid about 20 last year :1orglaugh

DWB... you know you want to! ;) Tempting... I know...

And to think this all started out with you wanting to fuck me in the ass....

No, actual videos...

mydirtyhobby.com

350 new videos a day... all home made.. kinda like homegrown on steroids :)

Appreciate it Dave. That means a lot coming from you. :upsidedow

You'll get called an ass kisser here if you agree with anyone. Don't sweat it.

And strictly speaking as a content producer, I agree with everything you say about shooting for a company like that. It's a dream. Those are the companies you want to work for.

My problem is, I'm also a small site owner so I can't just look at it as a content producer. That's where I get salty.

Well holy shit I never saw this, can I have a login? Can I buy some leads from you? I only need maybe 10 couples. :thumbsup

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:1orglaugh DWB you fucking KILL me bro! :1orglaugh

agreed

:1orglaugh

heh. I'm mercenary. Everyone has their price.

You're god dammed right!

No you got it wrong, it should be:

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hoping for some new niches from you guys, would open up so many more channels I can promote you in. looking forward to the upcoming announcement :thumbsup maybe I can get one of the fellas to spill some beans if I ask very sweetly.

I know you're only kidding and being silly but I know of more than a few people who once were near the top of the industry that would kill for 50 more joins a day right now. Who is on top now isn't necessarily going to be on top 3, 5, or 10 years out. One day 50 more joins could make you or break you.

I didn't know that the biggest tycoon in porn also wastes time on GFY when he has important business and personal issues to tend to. I thought that was the work of just trolls. :upsidedow

Eric should be proud you take time out of your important, busy day managing your 100+ million dollar porn empire to come on GFY to piss with Robbie, DWB, and Paul.

Maybe we can get Hef, Flynt and Andrew Conru and some other guys to start posting here and having pissing matches with everyone else.

For a guy who was suppose to have really important biz to take care of, Nathan was here every couple hours through out the day trying to explain to someone they didn't know what they were talking about. Where you on your cell in posting to GFY while in meetings again??

omfg... I apologize then. I thought that was all cam content. That is just crazy.

Guess we are only going to be able to claim being the first amateur company and not the world's largest library in a month or two...

Damn! There you go destroying everything again! You better watch out - at the rate you are going Godzilla is sure to awaken and rise to put you in your place!

LOL, they are trying to take over, I'll take the scraps.