Too funny!

You, I and the rest of the internet knows that Paul is on his own with his judgement on what quality is or is not, statements.

But even you got to admit Paul is a pretty entertaining read. Reading some of his posts leaves me thinking like WTF Is this guy trying to say??? What the hell is he thinking? Is that schizophrenia setting in? Or Alzheimer's?

Reading some of his GFY posts is like reading a Fantasy comic book in fantasy land.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Touchy today are we Nathan?

Didn't that happen long before you were involved Nathan? Not sure why you would even comment on this.

It's funny a little comment like "Bobby Manila agrees" could get you so worked up. You should do yoga or something.


So stop posting about it.



Lots of companies use banks in Israel to process large amounts of money, yet none of them have their money frozen by the feds. Usually the people who have money seized are into something shady. Just sayin.

But I'm sure they have released the money now that the misunderstanding is all cleared up, right?

Don't even answer, it's really not worth your time to write it all out. Everyone knows the answer.



I don't know of any conspiracy theories. I only know a fact, and that's when the feds seize your money, ya done goofed.

Of course I know this is not your money and you had no involvement at that time, but since the OP's story was mostly discussing the old guys, my comments are relevant.

Seriously man, stick to defending your position as the new owner. You're better at that. Leave the old issues alone, because it discredits you when you try to make excuses for those guys, who have been caught in the past flat out lying to people. They did what they did, made some mistakes, and it is what it is. You're better off not even discussing those things. :2 cents:

That was the good old days. The days when a solo girl set was worth $4,000 and sometimes more for the shooter. AND WE STILL OWN.

It's funny reading people telling me I missed the boat or am old school while they kiss the ass of a guy who buys in a BG scene for a lot less and buys it outright. JustDave, you missed the boat sweetheart and reading some of your post are very funny. I'm sitting back on 3,550+ sets and videos WE OWN and still bringing in money. Good luck to you when you're 60 and want to retire. :thumbsup

u did gr8 job mate, i love the quality of videos of baby got boobs., and cant believe it was in 2005-06

But some of your videos do suck. So many elementary mistakes it's scary. Even the good stuff wasn't that good, just average.

Brazzers Golfing

Bad structure, bad format, bad framing, bad acting and in total a turn off. If you spent "what needs to be spent" on that scene. You were robbed.

With the money you are supposed to have Brazzers should be turning out far better content than this.

Nicky1952 ICQ me your real name and I'll ask some contacts who you are and what you did for some of these companies. I can post here is the names you quoted are people who know you or not. And verify your boasts, hell I might even know you.

perfect, will be in touch with Nick.

not hard to do and many would do the same IF they were making millions off the back of everybody else in the industry with tube sites featuring content they didn't pay a penny for.

corner the market in adult traffic, 'steal' content from your competitors, cripple them, then with your coffers full of cash the final indignity, you outspend them 4:1 producing content your competitors can't afford.

NOT a fucking original thing on Brazzers, all done before them by NaughtyAmerica who were the first to transition from Bangbros/RK style 'reality' content to niched out vignette/story themed sites/scenes. With their tube money they could afford to do what NaughtyAmerica staked out years ago but with far better production values. NaughtyAmerica started NaughtyAmericaLive ........... what do you know, a year later BrazzersLive.

Before the flood of cash that the tube sites brought in - JuggCash and early Brazzers -
take a look at that content, mediocre crap. Given enough of a budget there are lots of shooters who could produce the same or better than Brazzers.

I actually am touchy today :/ thx for caring... Got an important day ahead of myself, both personal and biz.

The reason I commented is because Manwin gets linked to the crap and i guess I hate that. I can sadly not comment about what I know in detail... Which is why I sometimes mention I will write a small book about the happenings at some point in time. People I am sure would be interested... And even if you claim you are not, you would still read it...

There is far less to all these things than you think though... And the us gov seizes money on a hunch sometimes too...

haha not really Paul, you know we always worked close with brazzers never denied that ;)))

nice try though, now go buy a cocker spaniel puzzle :2 cents:

Mutt, we have Business Units. Brazzers/Mofos does not benefit from the tubes... They have to pay for ads like anybody else... So it's hardly the tubes money that made them big...

nice story

there is no doubt about the content quality at brazzers, don't Jules jourdan shoots Most of it?
and that member area is fucking flawless ( updates, navigation, stream quality, delivery methods, you name it...), thus the rebills

not kissing ass, just saying... i see a lot of shit talkers here with the worth member areas

nickey. i am going to steal every scene you shot so i can make it big with my tube. is that ok? its just big business being big business after all.

i agree. There was a program on UK TV not so long ago about the billion dollar products, bottled water was one of them.
Bottled water is more pure, where tap water can contain chemicals, bottled water is considered safer.

So the customers are looking for quality and safety. . . could this apply to online sales also?!

ohhh.... and convenience!!

they rocked our world

http://jq_public00.tripod.com/troll.jpg

What an useless debate...

So you need to stay nice to them. OK no problem.

Is the Nick you need to contact the OP. Another guy who needs to be nice?

I seriously don't know where you get the idea it's quality content. Yes it's shot on good cameras, yes it's lit well. These are elementary and can be done so easily anyone with the minimum skill can bring it off.

The quality is in the content of the scene. No porn consumer gets off on the crispness of the image or lighting. The scenes are contrived, fake and not very well done. Ive posted a link to a scene and no one seems to want to comment on it.

After 30 years of producing and consuming porn I have an idea of what a porn scene should contain. The scenes I saw on Brazzers don't contain them.

Here was the comments for that scene I sent to Fabian.

The bold is basic flaws an experienced shooter would never make. A lot of the scenes on Brazzers contain similar flaws.

um......... you would have no idea how business was done at Brazzers/Mansef back then, you were at TMM at the time.

the big budgets for Brazzers productions came with the success of Pornhub. that's the truth.

i'm not even fighting, porn tubes were inevitable in the wake of YouTube's success, if it wasn't Brazzers it would have been others and there are others. But that doesn't make it any more defensible.

you may want to wipe your nose and gargle now you are done tossing their salad.

Nathan is by far my fave program owner, can become a keyboard warrior like the average shmuck here, except he's got the game to back up the talk.


Can I fly up there and shadow you for a week? I need to get 70 signups a day too.

I have really no idea what you are talking about. Need to stay nice to them? Nick the OP? Another guy to be nice?

Don't drink during the day Paul :2 cents:

another entertaining gfy vs the brazzers thread

Well then I think you are doing much better with them than the average affiliate assuming your ratios aren't horrid. I never attempted to promote them because I used to read people I knew to be straight talkers complaining about 1:20,000 ratios even many years ago when that was almost unheard of. I suppose it's possible that they changed for the better but consider me a bit skeptical. One thing I will give Manwin is that they generally pay webmasters what is shown as being due to them in the stats. They also do less shady things on average than some other popular sponsors if you discount the whole stolen content on the tubes thing.

Ofcourse you are free to doubt me but the main reason it did so well for us was that the content they shot was matching our top babes almost 99% of the time. Shyla Stylez was huge on FreeOnes, boom Brazzers shot her and we made a ton of money together.

Their affiliate manager made it clear that if you work with them they can improve the conversion ratios. He was quite adamant about it. Either they're more expert at converting other peoples traffic or it's magic join links. :1orglaugh

what he said...

and now to read it...

Often when you work with a good affiliate manager you can improve the ratios together (tweaking on both sides) Paul, not something you would understand I know :error

yeah that's the way to work for sure.....

I'm not doubting you (actually for a long time I have considered you guys one of the "good guys" of the industry). There are many possible explanations for why so many other webmasters could have bad experiences while Freeones does very well. That it matches your top babes is one very good explanation.

I would never take someone's word that a program doesn't convert and assume they wouldn't convert for me either. If a site is huge I generally like to give it a push to see how my traffic would do with it. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. In the Brazzers case it worked. We've always made really big bank with them.

The sites and traffic I had were easy to get 70 signups a day for a particular sponsor. I promote over 400 programs...though I have nothing for traffic now. All my old surfers are over at Pornhub now.

As for Fabian...he's a clown. He's NEVER made sales in his life in this business. He had NOTHING to do with Mansef/Brazzers climb to the top. And now he's just running his dick skinners as a front guy. I have no respect for him as somebody who actually has done anything. His whole track record was building NATS in the beginning.

The only affilate program he TRIED to run...died in a matter of months.

He can try to talk crap all day long...but I can guarantee you there was indeed a time when my ex-partner and I were amongst the biggest affiliates that Jug Cash had...and they were only one of our "middle" performing programs that we pushed.

Doesn't really mean anything. Just saying that TODAY they are not an easy sell.

And yeah, I remember about a year or so ago that Roald did post that they had sold a ton of $5 memberships to Jug Cash (I think it was 5 bucks, but if not it was some cool heavily discounted membership promo) And the numbers he spoke of were real good for the amount of traffic they have.

But the rest of us affiliates out here are hard pressed to make a sale on Jug Cash. I pretty much stopped pushing them last year except for all the old stuff I have up everywhere.

And in 2010 I had zero new sales with them. The reason? Because I was down to 1:3078 in 2009 and I decided to stop pushing them much. In 2010 I only sent a little traffic and ended up 0:9253

So maybe some affiliates in 2010 pushed it and did make some good money? I don't know.

I just know that at the height of my super "powers" (lol), they were a "middle" program for me. Not bad. Not great. Just okay.

And again...I've always liked their content. I have nothing bad to say about any of their pay sites. Of course, Fabian had nothing to do with any of the ideas or execution that went behind any of those sites.

How much day to day he does now is unknown to me and I don't really care.

Respect is earned from me. Fabian has my respect for writing NATS version 1 and any other early versions he wrote years ago.
He has my respect for having the charm and ability to end up as "the man" in front of Manwin (that too takes some talent believe it or not...not just anybody could have pulled off this stunt)

He lost my respect when he started swaggering about around here and pretending that he is an expert in porn. He may THINK he earned his stripes with the small resume he has, but to me and a lot of other guys who have worked at a certain level for 15 years while he spent most of that time unsuccessfully trying to be somebody...he has not.

A little humility would go a long way with me. But I guess if I were in Fabian's current position I wouldn't worry what a washed up affiliate like me thinks. Hell, I don't have enough traffic anymore to even be a speck on the landscape. Who gives a shit what I think?

Keep it up Fabian! Hopefully for you nothing goes wrong. But please stop talking down to people who actually know and do things in this biz. By the way...have you yet ever even been to a porn shoot? lol Don't bother answering. It's rhetorical.

I have the "porn tycoon" on "Ignore" but I saw him calling my name when he was quoted by gleem. :)

At that time I had no shortage of great programs to promote and had many other potential sponsors to work with at any given moment. I could not promote them all and had to prioritize since I'm one man. I keep track of people who I trust and know to be honest who also seem to have near the same experiences as I do with sponsors most of the time. If many of them all say the same thing then it carries a lot of weight with me because they have almost always been right in the past. It's a system which has historically worked for me. I wish I would have been able promote everyone and give them a shot though. I agree that is ideal. Thinking for oneself is always best. :)

Or ...................

Why don't you grow some balls and post in plain english what your insinuating? I smell a ban on the way, but you know I hope not. You bring a lot of traffic to GFY, many people come here just to read the stupid shit that pours from your mouth. God your pathetic.

Whose your biggest customer these days? :1orglaugh

way to go on the shameless kissing ass.

to those who post long stories. Thanks for the scroll

If I was selling drugs to kids I would also be praising the mafia.