You really could have ended it there. :2 cents:

LOL @ People using the whole Hitler thing against anyone who criticizes Israel.

Is that all you have? Calling me anti-Semitic because I say something bad against Israel?

You didn't see where I wrote that JEWS should be the ones that are against Israel the most?

Israel is not a free society. It is as much free as the US was back when slavery was common. That is not freedom, don't kid yourself.

Egypt put up a fence because they were siding with Israel.

Israel is the one that kills and murders innocent people. The Palestinians are only defending themselves against the instigation from the Israeli government.

FACT: The longer there is no one killed on either side, the more likely it is for Israelis to kill first.

FACT: Between 2000 and 2009, if there was no one killed on either side of the Palestine/Israel thing, Israel was the first one to kill 100% of the time if the peace lasted longer than two weeks.

FACT: Israel illegally uses chemical weapons against civilian populations.

FACT: Israel illegally possesses nuclear weapons and some of its most prominent military figures have said in the past that if Israel goes down then the WHOLE WORLD goes down with it.

I think the problem is Israel. The biggest threat to the world today is the state of Israel and their illegal ways of doing things. We saw it when they used passports from around the world to commit an assassination, we saw it when they told the UN to take kids somewhere just to later bomb that place.

Israel is just a murderous, terrorist, evil regime that needs to go. If I were a Jew living in Israel or anywhere else, I'd be the first one to rise up and tell Israel enough. They are the true victims of Israel's terrorism.


Sorry that I'm more educated and more informed than you are. Sorry that you can't come to grips with the idea that I just may be more intelligent, be able to put together more articulate arguments and a better fact checker than you. Sorry that you can't even begin to comprehend what is going on in the world and can't even begin to do your own research into things. Well done on being the average ignorant American.


LOL Baddog you old fuck why don't you go hop on your bike and try to catch up to groups of bikers who want nothing to do with you again.

Are you just mad that your business is failing and everyone now is calling your entire operation a scam? Must suck to be getting old, having everyone hate you, and still on top of that your life's ambition ending up as a huge fuckup.

Good to see you finding company with the other loser trolls on this board, namely TheDemon.

The way to beat Israel is easy. Seems to me the Arab / Muslim population in Israel is growing at an alarming rate. At some point in time Israel will no longer be Jewish. It will be a Muslim country. (Just like the United States will be a Hispanic country soon.)

you're calling yourself educated after that ass backwards post? Once again, you're a fucking moron.

Right now Israel is trying to make all the non-Jews in the country take an oath that says in the loyalty oath that Israel is 'a Jewish and democratic state".

Furthermore, in Israel, if you are a non-Jew you can't marry a Jew according to their marriage laws.

You have to leave the country and do it in another country.

Discrimination? Abhorrent mistreatment of minorities? Yep, that's Israel for you.

Point is that Israel won't allow non-Jews to come into power, even now the ones that are voted into the Knesset are made to leave during some conversations and debates that are 'Jewish only'.

What a silly, stupid excuse for a democratic government.

Whatever, switch out million man march with any other protest here... a real analogy, how quickly you think the tea party people would get 250k people together to kick obama out if they knew once they hit 3/10 of 1% marching he would be forced to leave..

That was my point.


Get back to finding your black vagina now :321GFY

I'm not quoting uyour whole post, but your "FACTS" aren't even close to being "FACTS". It's the one sided bullshit people are fed by anti-zionist movements in the world.

Fact is there is no one more responsible for the Palestinian "problem" than other ARAB countries who refuse to let them in and ultimately forced them into Israel. Jordan expelled Palestinians after they tried to overthrow their gov, Egypt dumped them the same way. Not one Arab country wanted them in there, if they were so worried about the poor poor palestinians, lets see if Egypt lets em live there once the puppet leader is taken out. *nope*

Owned...

You mean the anti-Zionist movement the Huffingtion Post?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html

And they got their information from the anti-Zionist movement the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces.

Yeah you're right, those two groups are so anti-Zionist.

Get over it gleem, these are FACTS whether you like it or not.

Egypt didn't dump them because the people wanted it, it dumped them because their puppet government did it. Now that the puppet government is out, the people get to control their country again, not the US and Israel.

As TheDemon put it so nicely (even though he messed up his timing a bit)

Moe, quit lying to yourself. Denial is not something you should engage in when quoting huffingtonpost and getting your ass kicked.

Criticize Israel all you want - no country is beyond criticism. It is your hope that they be "crushed" and "destroyed" that draws the analogy to Hitler.

Anybody who hopes for more death and destruction and more instability in the world really can't be trusted to be objective about things. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Anyways, arguing with people like you about things like this is pointless. You have more walls around you than Israel does around Gaza.

But just out of curiosity, is Loubani a Muslim name?

That would explain his extremely low IQ.

Loubani is a Palestinian name. Palestinian back many generations, more than any Israeli has been Israeli. Palestine is deep in my blood, it's where my grandparents grandparents were born. Can any Israeli say the same about Israel?

I'm one of the TRUE people of the land, one of the ones that makes Israelis shit themselves. The ones that strike fear into the very hearts of one of the strongest militaries in the world without owning any real weaponry. The real fighters for peace, the resistors of the occupation, the realest freedom fighters there is fighting today. That's the Palestinian people.

Israel? They use lies and manipulation to do their dirty work, can't stand behind their own names in the world when they go around to do their illegal assassinations. They are looked upon by half the world as scum and the other half of the world see Israel as their unwilling masters. But notice nobody in the world sees Israel as a nation of peace or of integrity? You either hate them or you reluctantly side with them because you have no choice. What a sad sad place that is.

The only ones that hope for more death and destruction in the world are people like you that support Israel. Like I showed you in the past posts with clear evidence and FACTS to back it up - Israel is the one that attacks first, that murders first, and the Palestinians have no choice but to defend themselves.

When someone says Israel needs to be crushed they don't mean that the people in Israel need to die. They mean that the political regime that is controlling Israel needs to be removed.

Just like when people said we need to 'take out Iraq' they didn't mean that they wanted to dig up the land and remove Iraq from the face of the Earth.

Looks like your stupid Palestinian ass just lost whatever credibility you might have had. We always knew you were a moron but we didn't know you were a biased towel head. Also, lol at "longer than any Israeli has been Israeli".

a biased what?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=towelhead


I decided to use the less offensive term.

Waaaa TheDemon you can't even insult me without adding a little praise in there.

What credibility I already had? Why thank you sir!

I didn't know you secretly liked me and found me credible.

Wish I could say the same about you!

Poor guy, can't even read.:1orglaugh

So much makes sense now.

And yet here you are in Ontario. I am sure you are striking great fear into the IDF from here.

Removed by who? And replaced by what? Arab Muslims? What do you think will happen to innocent people in Israel if, for example, a Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egypt takes over Israel?

I think it is quite understandable given your background that you would fight very hard for your people's survival and for what you perceive to be a just result in your struggle with the Jews....... just as given my background I try to fight for my people's survival and for what I consider a just result in our struggle. That is the nature of life. The earth has limited resources and groups have been fighting each other for land, food, resources and survival since the beginning of mankind. Rarely does one side in a struggle have a monopoly on either good or evil. There is usually plenty of evil to go around on both sides. In an evil and unjust world all we can hope to do is try to protect our own. I try to do that and you try to do the same. We may be intractable enemies but that does not mean that I cannot respect your position. I wish you and your people the best of luck in your struggle....... but we will never submit to our enemies...... and I fully expect that you will never submit as well...... and therefore the cycle of life and the struggle for resources and survival continues on forever....... just like it always has.

Agreed :thumbsup I respect that position.

Right you are, here I am, in Ontario. But do you really think I could do more from Palestine? Are you suggesting violence? I'm against violence. I do what I can from here, because it is the most I can do. I try to get my voice heard, and try to inform people of the injustice happening in the world. It's the most I can do.

And nothing would happen to the innocent Israelis. The Egyptians don't care about the Israelis, they care about the Palestinians. If the Israelis want peace in a fair and civilized and equal way then the Arab people would welcome that peace.

But if things stay like they are now, with Israel killing any time there is peace for an extended period and ruining the peace, then there is no hope.

Huffington post IS anti-zionist, they are turning it into some apartheid bullshit with help form the South Africans and a successful propaganda movement.

If you want to start saying your ancestors were there before some Jewish people's, then you are talking about going back to biblical times with that little game.

Everyone who was conquered should give back the land to the people they conquered? Fuck you are an idiot, guess I'll leave and give my house to a native american Indian, the French & Italians should leave and give their land back to Germany. You can't logically argue "we were there first" other people were always there before you.

Get rid of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood and all of the other terrorist front groups who want to destroy Israel and start acting like a bunch of grown ups. Israel is not going anywhere without a lot of destruction and a lot of pain and suffering all around. Learn to live with the existence of Israel, get over past grievances and let Israel live in peace. Live like good neighbors and help one another out so everyone can be better off. Enough with the fucking tribalism already.

:2 cents:

Palestinians have suffered for 60+ years, we can take it. Can the Israeli people take the suffering that their government is going to bring upon them? That's the real question. Palestinians are happy to suffer for freedom, we are happy to fight for it. We don't care for a peace where we are sub-citizens. Give us true freedom, or die fighting us. Is freedom too much to ask for?

You're right - enough with the tribalism. Enough with Israel terrorizing a population based on their race. Live like good neighbors? The Palestinians tried, just like I said before, many times to be good neighbors. What was the result of our cessation of hostilities? We were murdered by the Israelis. It's your turn to be good neighbors, we already tried and were killed for it, time and time again.

Enough with calling any Muslim group a terrorist group just because of the religion they associate with. People like you are the problem EonBlue, your hypocritical view of the situation shows just that.

Here is an article hating on anti-Zionism in the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-s-..._b_688196.html

Here is an article from Bill Maher that is VERY anti-Palestine and VERY pro-Israel on the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-m...-_b_25375.html

So please just go ahead and stop. You are embarrassing yourself gleem.

No one is saying anything about Jewish people. I'm saying that Palestine was there before Israel, not Jews. When Palestine was Palestine, Jews would go there to visit as tourists. They were treated well and were openly welcome. Palestine was a peaceful place until Israel decided they would run their own holocaust on the Palestinian people. Sickens me, really.

i can understand moe's point of view -he's palestinian, i wouldn't expect him to feel or think differently.

note though that the rest of the Arab world has never cared about a Palestinian and wouldn't cross the street to piss on one if he was on fire - if not for their hatred of Jews and Israel they'd have no use for Palestinians at all.

you need to get more facts:

FACT: The only period in the last 3,000 years without a continued Jewish presence in the West Bank was the 19 years between 1948-1967 when the Jordanian government banned Jews from living there.

FACT: There would be no refugee problem if seven Arab nations had not attacked Israel upon its inception in 1948. 800,000 Jewish refugees were expelled from Arab countries in 1948, but their descendents are normalized today because they were absorbed by Israel and other countries.

FACT: Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries have consciously chosen to isolate refugees as political pawns,rather than integrate them into a normalized life. UN General Assembly Resolution 194 reads that all governments involved must share responsibility.

FACT: As opposed to refugees in Arab countries, Israel integrated Arabs within its borders as citizens, and 1.2 million Israeli Arabs now enjoy citizenship, benefits, and governmental representation in Israel.

FACT: Israel signed independent peace treaties with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994), each time giving away either land, oil, settlements, or strategic military advantage to achieve a peaceful agreement.

FACT: Israel gave the Palestinian Authority land, money, weapons, training, and intelligence, all in the hope that the PA would reciprocate with an end to terror and incitement.

FACT: The very formula "Land for Peace" indicates that Arabs compromise for what they want most -- land, while Israel compromises for what it wants most -- peace.

FACT: In 1917, 1937, 1947, 1956, 1979, and 1993 Israeli leaders established a pattern of accepting the handover of land in exchange for peace agreements with its Arab neighbors.

FACT: Centuries before the inception of Islam, Jews were yearning to return to Israel, and the Koran itself records this in many suras (chapters), such as 17:7, 17:104, and 5:21 that tells the Jews to "enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you."

FACT: UN Security Council Resolution 242 reads that Israel should relinquish land only if it is in the context of a "peaceful and accepted settlement."

FACT: Though the intifada has heaped violence upon Israel, there have been, on average, less than one person injured per Palestinian riot. Israel is currently training 26 other countries in technology it has created to minimize injury in crowd and riot control situations.

FACT: During "Black September" in Jordan in 1970, 2,500 Palestinian rioters were killed in 10 days by the Jordanian army. In 1993, UN Peacekeeping troops justified the killing of almost 100 Somalis by noting that, "Everyone on the ground in the vicinity was a combatant, because they meant to do us harm."

BIGGER FACT: The only independent sovereign nations to ever exist in the Land of Israel were the two ancient Jewish commonwealths, the second of which was destroyed in 70 A.D.


I can get facts too, you can play the game all day.

So by that logic, any attack on Israel will end the world... it's called deterrence.. that is a U.S. & Soviet adopted tactic my friend and it's prolly the only reason it still exists.

Truth is the Israeli gov is becoming "liberalized" and very soon will cease to exist because of this. So if the Palestinians were truly the intellectual geniuses people claim them to be, they simply need to wait a bit longer and let Israel self politic itself out of existence. They have adopted U.S. retarded rules of engagement as seen in the last lebanese war, so they are guaranteed to lose or stale mate every battle from now on.

Mutt: This is why they are protesting in Egypt right now. Because the people want solidarity with Palestinians, but the government continues to side with Israel. This is the same thing that happened in Tunisia, people don't want to put up with being told what they like by an American puppet government. The Arab people stand with the Palestinians, the governments unfortunately not as much.

Gleem:

LOL

Love how the only nation to ever exist there was made by Jews. Rrrrright. Keep on believing that - contrary to all world history.

Gleem "FACT": The only period in the last 3,000 years without a continued Jewish presence in the West Bank was the 19 years between 1948-1967 when the Jordanian government banned Jews from living there.

TRUTH: Jewish presence, sure, Jewish control? No. There were Jews everywhere before there was anything else since it is the oldest religion. Means nothing - in modern times is what we are talking about, not biblical times.

Gleem "FACT": There would be no refugee problem if seven Arab nations had not attacked Israel upon its inception in 1948. 800,000 Jewish refugees were expelled from Arab countries in 1948, but their descendents are normalized today because they were absorbed by Israel and other countries.

TRUTH: In 1948 when Israel was formed, Palestinians were kicked out of the homes they'd lived in for generations by the Israelis. Those are the refugees. My grandma was one of them and still has the key to her home in Palestine that I'm sure is long gone by now.

Gleem "FACT": Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries have consciously chosen to isolate refugees as political pawns,rather than integrate them into a normalized life. UN General Assembly Resolution 194 reads that all governments involved must share responsibility.

TRUTH: Palestinians aren't interested in settling somewhere else, they want to go home. Can anyone blame them for wanting to go home?

Gleem "FACT": As opposed to refugees in Arab countries, Israel integrated Arabs within its borders as citizens, and 1.2 million Israeli Arabs now enjoy citizenship, benefits, and governmental representation in Israel.

TRUTH: Government representation? You mean like when the non-Jews in the Knesset are asked to leave so that there can be Jewish only conversations and votes? You mean like when the non-Jews aren't allowed to use a road that was built for only Jews? Right, and the black slaves in the US were allowed time to have fun and party, so what was the big deal?

Gleem "FACT": Israel signed independent peace treaties with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994), each time giving away either land, oil, settlements, or strategic military advantage to achieve a peaceful agreement.

TRUTH: And now we see the people in Egypt rising up, showing that it wasn't the Egyptian people that signed your peace treaty but the false Egyptian government. Same thing is happening now in Jordan, a puppet government being stripped of its power for true democracy.

Gleem "FACT": The very formula "Land for Peace" indicates that Arabs compromise for what they want most -- land, while Israel compromises for what it wants most -- peace.

TRUTH: Yet the Israelis keep taking land, and keep screwing up the peace.

Gleem "FACT": In 1917, 1937, 1947, 1956, 1979, and 1993 Israeli leaders established a pattern of accepting the handover of land in exchange for peace agreements with its Arab neighbors.

TRUTH: So I can steal $100 from you, then negotiate about giving back $2 for you not to do anything about it? Right. Seems a little illogical to me.

Gleem "FACT": Centuries before the inception of Islam, Jews were yearning to return to Israel, and the Koran itself records this in many suras (chapters), such as 17:7, 17:104, and 5:21 that tells the Jews to "enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you."

TRUTH: And the Palestinians welcomed them in with open arms, no one said Jews couldn't come to Palestine. They came as tourists, they came to stay, we welcomed them in. The violence was started by Israel, not the Palestinians, keep that in mind.

Gleem "FACT": Though the intifada has heaped violence upon Israel, there have been, on average, less than one person injured per Palestinian riot. Israel is currently training 26 other countries in technology it has created to minimize injury in crowd and riot control situations.

TRUTH: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=201758 Recent article of a woman killed by Israel in a Palestinian protest. Here is the article about her brother, also killed by Israelis in a Palestinian protest: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=181186. This girl and her brother were both killed by Israel during their peaceful protests (that by the way they aren't allowed to have). Nice 'fact'.

Gleem "FACT": During "Black September" in Jordan in 1970, 2,500 Palestinian rioters were killed in 10 days by the Jordanian army. In 1993, UN Peacekeeping troops justified the killing of almost 100 Somalis by noting that, "Everyone on the ground in the vicinity was a combatant, because they meant to do us harm."

TRUTH: Just because they were killed by Jordan that makes it okay for Israel to kill them too? Not sure what you are trying to do here other than hopelessly trying to justify the murder of innocent people.

Don't be silly Gleem, the game you play isn't my game. You don't even come close.

This is the truth, if the Palestinian people just wait, it will come out in our favor as long as there isn't any mass genocide. That's why I'm against violence, and all for trying to get my voice heard and accelerate the process.

I don't have time to keep up the Truth or False game since I am leaving now, but the facts are there was never a "Palestinian state", the population you decedent from were mostly nomadic and the ones who weren't were moved just like any other gov did to hostile inginites, and the fact is any time a deal was made rockets rained down on Israel from your people. Hammas is your govt now and they are vowed to destroy israel.

Anytime a blockade is ended, first thing Hammas gets is guns, & rockets and uses the aid it gets to buy more of the same instead of buying stuff for it's people.

Would you at least agree if all the walls came down and all checkpoints were removed, the first week there would be nothing but bombings & rocket attacks by Palestinian agents throughout Israel just like all the other times?

I never said anybody was a terrorist because of their religion. I said those groups are terrorists because they want to destroy Israel and will use terrorist tactics to do so. It's not my fault one of those groups chooses to call themselves the Muslim Brotherhood. And it's not just me - the government of the country you now live in considers them terrorist groups as well.

And how can I be the problem? I have never called for the destruction of any country - on either side. All I said was that everyone needs to grow up and figure out a way to get along. It's hard for Israel to do that with so many groups calling for and plotting its destruction.

ahh

rome? i don't know my ancient history very well but that's a bold claim

lol this is funny

That's the point jackass...You CANNOT compare a "protest" with a revolution...

Fuck man...Maybe YOU need to go find some black vagina...It might make you smarter. :2 cents:

Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization? Since when?

Ok, again, so 250k Tea baggers come out and instead of calling it what it is, an anti gov protest, the news calls it a revolution... time for obamo to go? You're just playing semantics.

Pictures are worth a thousand words :

http://liverpoolfriendsofpalestine.c...-land-grab.jpg

http://www.blueletterbible.org/image...test/world.jpg

I am trying to find Palestine.