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CamChameleon 02-06-2011 01:56 PM

mobile is in its early stages if you disregard it now you will regret it. there will be more twists but at least now we are starting to see the front runners and can adapt our business to work with them.

fatfoo 02-06-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HXMGP (Post 17896497)
I have 200-400 mobile visitors per day almost 95% google traffic searching for hardcore movies and xxx hardcore mostly.

Congratulations on getting your traffic. Good luck with finding the best mobile sponsor with best converstions.

DWB 02-06-2011 02:35 PM

I know people do, but I can't personally entertain the idea of rubbing one off while holding my phone. Not when I have large monitors at home I can use.

Beating off in your car, at work, in the public toilet, at the school yard... If you honestly can't wait to get home to beat off, you have a serious problem. But thank God we're all here to cash in on them as that's easy money left on the table.

Countdown until some of you assholes figure out new ways to fuck mobile users over.

Agent 488 02-06-2011 02:37 PM

mainstream has been raping mobile users over in countless ways for the last decade. porn hasn't been at the forefront of anything since the betamax.

fuzebox 02-06-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17897623)
Beating off in your car, at work, in the public toilet, at the school yard... If you honestly can't wait to get home to beat off, you have a serious problem.

Back when I had a dayjob, I jerked off at work every day. Was just something fun to break up the boredom...

GTS Mark 02-06-2011 03:07 PM

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We like to think we do this well and would be happy to help anyone who is looking to monetize their traffic on a higher level. Sending your traffic to many of the companies in this thread represents absolutely no risk TO THEM and complete risk to you. If it doesn't convert oh well they don't owe you anything, too bad for you...

With our system you make money regardless of conversions.

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SmokeyTheBear 02-06-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17896660)
It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.

try watching some pov porn on a nice smartphone.

I think traffic suggests its more than just a "gimmick" that surfers try.

HXMGP 02-06-2011 03:14 PM

I still belive that if someone is going to purchase a memberhship to an adult website they will do it from their laptop/PC not a smartphone. With that being said, I'm not going to send mobile traffic to MGPs/blogs etc. because that would be pointless for a smartphone because those sites aren't advertising to mobile users.

What I find hard to believe is the number of people that I've sent to the sponsors I've tried so far and have had horrible results. How can I send people to one sponsor's site that offers hardcore movies on a mobile phone and get shitty results and then send that traffic to another sponsor's site and have good results? Are sponsors being honest with their affiliates?

I like the discussion so far and appreciate your thoughts.

fuzebox 02-06-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HXMGP (Post 17897695)
I still belive that if someone is going to purchase a memberhship to an adult website they will do it from their laptop/PC not a smartphone.

I think the companies who have mobile paysites would have to disagree with you. Hell I'm the smallest guy in this thread and my mobile site does pretty well.

Agent 488 02-06-2011 03:22 PM

just because you can't do something or understand something does not mean it exists. stop trying to rationalize a phenomenon away and instead figure out how people are making it work.

FlexxAeon 02-06-2011 04:45 PM

i can't convert cams (yet) worth a damn. on top of that, i've never jerked off to cams or cam girls

therefore cams must not convert, and people don't like to see grainy webcam videos of amateur girls doing solo stuff. and all these webcam sites that keep popping up are just a waste of time, money and traffic.

.......right?

kristin 02-06-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17896660)
It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.

You have no clue what you are talking about. 80% of our joins are mobile. And we still do a lot of joins.

kristin 02-06-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17896790)
TheDoc swears it's the future for porn. Because they can go to the toilet and whack off to a movie. :1orglaugh

You're age just shined through like none other.

Think mobile notices the holidays and summer slowdown?

kristin 02-06-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17897043)
I send around 2k/day of gf traffic to topbucksmobiles "cutest girls" or w/e it's called and doing 1:4400

Edit: nevermind that was join page hits, it's actually doing 1:33000 rofl.

Sorry that site really sucks, we should just have it removed as an option from the webmaster admin.

Hit myself or Sly up and we'll get ya taken care of on a better site and see what we can to make up for that shitty conversion ratio.

$5 submissions 02-06-2011 04:50 PM

According to many AD TRACKING services and AD INDUSTRY SOURCES, people want INFO on mobiles not ads. See http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?R=1008210

DWB 02-06-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17897663)
Back when I had a dayjob, I jerked off at work every day. Was just something fun to break up the boredom...

:1orglaugh Did you really?

I've done some filthy things but I never rubbed one out back when I used to work for someone else.

Jakez 02-06-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17897064)
How can I contact you? If conversions are an issue, which they definitely are with your situation, contact one of us and we can recommend a different solution.

For anyone else that doubts the monetary value of their mobile traffic, contact me and I will buy it. Free money for your "pointless traffic that doesn't buy porn on 3 inch screens."

Emailed.

MaDalton 02-06-2011 06:05 PM

even if some people in this thread might hate me now: but as a paysite owner dont just send your mobile traffic to a mobile sponsor - send it to a mobile version of your own site. when someone is looking for blabla.com and then gets redirected to something he wasn't looking for, it's no surprise the conversions will suck. :2 cents:

tony286 02-06-2011 06:12 PM

How hard is it to make a mobile version of your site? Should be as large as the regular site? Same cost?

Jakez 02-06-2011 06:14 PM

There should be a pc version of each mobile site (probably is), that way if someone buys a mobile pass they can still use that login on their pc..

kristin 02-06-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17897986)
How hard is it to make a mobile version of your site? Should be as large as the regular site? Same cost?

There are several factors - one, encoding everything to mp4. Two, designing and programming for multiple devices. And you need a dedicated person or two, so those things make some want to just sell the traffic.

GTS Mark 02-06-2011 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17897964)
even if some people in this thread might hate me now: but as a paysite owner dont just send your mobile traffic to a mobile sponsor - send it to a mobile version of your own site. when someone is looking for blabla.com and then gets redirected to something he wasn't looking for, it's no surprise the conversions will suck. :2 cents:

Quoted for truth, that is why we make mobile whitelabels for people's existing websites

Ie. Worldsex.com / M.Worldsex.com

If anyone is looking to get a site built out let us know. :thumbsup

Aric 02-06-2011 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HXMGP (Post 17897695)
I still belive that if someone is going to purchase a memberhship to an adult website they will do it from their laptop/PC not a smartphone.

That's why you give them access to both -- mobile and desktop -- versions of the same site. It's not rocket science.

Oh.. and... :1orglaugh at Rochard .. made my day.

FlexxAeon 02-06-2011 08:13 PM

on the other hand.... i'm surprised at how many sponsors are dropping the ball/half-assing/barely making an effort when it comes to mobile. they just make some squeezed version of a tour or gallery and expect that to be sufficient. if you're not making money, take a look at who you're giving the traffic to and how well they cater to mobile.

some of the better companies have already showed up in this thread.

HXMGP 02-06-2011 08:20 PM

I purely have xxx movies or hardcore movies type of google searches and that's the type of site I want to send my mobile visitors to. I suppose the next sponsor up to bat would be TopBucks since I haven't given them a try yet...

bronco67 02-06-2011 09:47 PM

I love porn...and the thought of buying it on my phone is a joke.

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17897986)
How hard is it to make a mobile version of your site? Should be as large as the regular site? Same cost?

In most cases its easy create a m. subdomain so is m.mysite.com and have all mobile templates here. get a simple redirect script to point the devices and your away. All your designs are done you just need to resize... all of you content is there but may need re formatting which means the cost is a lot less than what you spent on setting up your regular site.

depending on your content you may want to slim down you desktop site think of it like what works well on the mobile not how much you can fit in!

If you create a mobile version of your site make sure the you have a link to the regular version clear to see as some of your users will want to use this version and not the slimmed down one!

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17897996)
There should be a pc version of each mobile site (probably is), that way if someone buys a mobile pass they can still use that login on their pc..

cross platform is the way to go let your customers choose what device they want to view your content on... give them a single login for all devices! I feel that if you charge customers to use each device then you will only scare them to a service that does offer 1 pass for all devices!

Markul 02-07-2011 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CamChameleon (Post 17898667)
cross platform is the way to go let your customers choose what device they want to view your content on... give them a single login for all devices! I feel that if you charge customers to use each device then you will only scare them to a service that does offer 1 pass for all devices!

This :thumbsup

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17898001)
There are several factors - one, encoding everything to mp4. Two, designing and programming for multiple devices. And you need a dedicated person or two, so those things make some want to just sell the traffic.

Don't get caught up with the design and programming for each device as you will end up lost as there are to many variations! Instead look at the browsers on the top performing OS's. Most users will use the default browsers for ever but some download new ones like Opera mini which is one of the top app downloads by users!

Chasing every device is a lost cause pick the top ones create a solution for them and follow you analytic's and if you see a handset hitting your site more and more often then add a template for it. The above will depend on where you traffic is coming from and what type of content you sell but the principle is the same!

NikKay 02-07-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17897623)
I know people do, but I can't personally entertain the idea of rubbing one off while holding my phone. Not when I have large monitors at home I can use.

Beating off in your car, at work, in the public toilet, at the school yard... If you honestly can't wait to get home to beat off, you have a serious problem.

A lot of people can't jerk off at home whenever they want because they've got a wife and kids milling about and refusing to leave a guy alone.

TheDoc 02-07-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CamChameleon (Post 17898679)
Don't get caught up with the design and programming for each device as you will end up lost as there are to many variations! Instead look at the browsers on the top performing OS's. Most users will use the default browsers for ever but some download new ones like Opera mini which is one of the top app downloads by users!

Chasing every device is a lost cause pick the top ones create a solution for them and follow you analytic's and if you see a handset hitting your site more and more often then add a template for it. The above will depend on where you traffic is coming from and what type of content you sell but the principle is the same!

Each browser works differently on each phone, even the same phone, different versions can have different functionality. It's pretty much only wap that is even, the rest is all over the place. Designing for browsers is what you do on a pc - designing for technology is what you do for portable devices.

Designing for various technologies is key today, even Google does it.. ignoring them is lost money on mobile/portable devices, each has a market value, each just as strong as the next, even if it's small.

Stef. 02-07-2011 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17896660)
It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.

Grrrrreat lol here :)
.

PR_Glen 02-07-2011 08:59 AM

i never use the internet for porn myself.. i just hammer out tits and ass on a cave wall with a rock and a chisel... internet is a fad... caves are the future!

FlexxAeon 02-07-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17898978)
i never use the internet for porn myself.. i just hammer out tits and ass on a cave wall with a rock and a chisel... internet is a fad... caves are the future!

naked stick figures on papyrus is the future, i'm telling you!!! :mad:

Quentin 02-07-2011 09:27 AM

The mobile skeptics are right; there is no money in mobile porn.

As such, you should just leave it to companies like ours to waste time and money chasing the phantom of mobile porn revenue.

In fact, just because we're feeling charitable today, TopBucks/Pink Visual will grudgingly accept any and all mobile marketshare that any of the rest of you don't want.

If you'd like, you can even cede all that marketshare to us without getting involved in the process, at all.

That's right! No need for whitelabels or adding your referral code to the mobile redirect script.... I mean, if it's not going to make any sales anyway, why bother yourself with tracking what happens after you send the surfers our way, right?

Just send us the traffic on a blank redirect and let us deal with the hassle of all those penniless Looky Lou mobile motherfuckers!

Don't thank me; it's the least we can do! :thumbsup

kristin 02-07-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17897623)
I know people do, but I can't personally entertain the idea of rubbing one off while holding my phone. Not when I have large monitors at home I can use.

Beating off in your car, at work, in the public toilet, at the school yard... If you honestly can't wait to get home to beat off, you have a serious problem. But thank God we're all here to cash in on them as that's easy money left on the table.

Countdown until some of you assholes figure out new ways to fuck mobile users over.

You don't have kids. :)

We noticed that mobile sales stayed relatively steady on Thanksgiving and Christmas. They really picked up that night. However, PC sites did the normal holiday trend and sales dropped. Why? The computer is in the living room whereas you can crash and take your porn on phone with you. Same with summers. I think people take their phone with them on vacation and enjoy their porn still.

Markul 02-07-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 17899050)
The mobile skeptics are right; there is no money in mobile porn.

As such, you should just leave it to companies like ours to waste time and money chasing the phantom of mobile porn revenue.

In fact, just because we're feeling charitable today, TopBucks/Pink Visual will grudgingly accept any and all mobile marketshare that any of the rest of you don't want.

If you'd like, you can even cede all that marketshare to us without getting involved in the process, at all.

That's right! No need for whitelabels or adding your referral code to the mobile redirect script.... I mean, if it's not going to make any sales anyway, why bother yourself with tracking what happens after you send the surfers our way, right?

Just send us the traffic on a blank redirect and let us deal with the hassle of all those penniless Looky Lou mobile motherfuckers!

Don't thank me; it's the least we can do! :thumbsup

You live up to your sig :pimp

cordoba 02-07-2011 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17896660)
It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.

I agree.

Nobody is EVER going to want to chat live to naked girls on their retinal display smartphones, with glasses free 3D displays and 100 mbit 4G connections.

FACT.

spankmo 02-07-2011 11:07 AM

Kristin is right - the stats stayed up during the summer and holidays for us too.. and we have a good rate of non US conversions as well.. add in SMS/Phone billing and you get a nice income stream.. heck we're a business and still going strong, so most be some money in mobile right ? We don't do anything else.

All sites should have mobile versions - both paysites and affiliates.. To really make the money you need to build the experience the mobile surfer is looking for.

This is driven by two factors (1) content - don't just send them off to a generic WL of content they'll see elsewhere and (2) device support - we're constantly working to update our sites, our tech and support for the new handsets as they are launched.

Combined web/mobile access is a good step forward, we're launching more Sites and Programs on this business model, as the mobile surfers become more demanding.

We think this market will grow.. tablets, such as iPad and Galaxy are great portable screens to move around the house.. try one propped up in bed sometime.

Cheers

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17898932)
Each browser works differently on each phone, even the same phone, different versions can have different functionality. It's pretty much only wap that is even, the rest is all over the place. Designing for browsers is what you do on a pc - designing for technology is what you do for portable devices.

Designing for various technologies is key today, even Google does it.. ignoring them is lost money on mobile/portable devices, each has a market value, each just as strong as the next, even if it's small.

Lost money is spending years building a platform for every device and that doesn't even take into account all the new handsets hitting the stores in the future! The point i was making but feel you missed is to look at where you traffic is then see what devices are most popular in that region then create a solution for them. Once up and running use you data to extend your supported handsets list. The way you guys are pushing this is you will fail if you don't cover every handset which is NOT true! Do you think a guy with a nokia 3310 will spend x amount on content every week... i don't think so if he cant afford to upgrade his phone is he the customer you are going after!

Not every technology is key today some of these handsets will come and go will you be spending $$$ making these work on your platform... Google have the man power to go after them all but 99% of people here don't!

INever 02-07-2011 11:10 AM

You need to promote sites which are optimized for most phones. A standard website that just looks good on the smaller browser...

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 11:11 AM

our mobile device is the last personal device any of us family folk still own... sad but true!

TheDoc 02-07-2011 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamChameleon (Post 17899291)
Lost money is spending years building a platform for every device and that doesn't even take into account all the new handsets hitting the stores in the future! The point i was making but feel you missed is to look at where you traffic is then see what devices are most popular in that region then create a solution for them. Once up and running use you data to extend your supported handsets list. The way you guys are pushing this is you will fail if you don't cover every handset which is NOT true! Do you think a guy with a nokia 3310 will spend x amount on content every week... i don't think so if he cant afford to upgrade his phone is he the customer you are going after!

Not every technology is key today some of these handsets will come and go will you be spending $$$ making these work on your platform... Google have the man power to go after them all but 99% of people here don't!

You don't build for every device... but you don't ignore device traffic you have. Mobile/portable technology is basically either web kit ready or wap, either way you're not doing much extra work other than adjusting css/features presented, width, etc.. Which takes all about 10 minutes to check, update and redirect - not years.

Once your videos are ready, it's just about offering various sizes... a very easy task, and very easy for today's cms's to split up.

Mobile isn't "A" website, it's many WebsiteS in one, formats, styles, layouts, video types, etc.. Look at the posts in this thread if you want to see what separates out the big players (technology developers) from those that slap up the same content on a mobile tour as the paysite has, with no real technology behind it. It's a clear line - and the big players for sure aren't ignoring devices or the ability to bill them.

PR_Glen 02-07-2011 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 17898997)
naked stick figures on papyrus is the future, i'm telling you!!! :mad:

damn... thats' hot!

PR_Dave 02-07-2011 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17897832)
80% of our joins are mobile.

OUCH, that is a lot of eggs in 1 basket.

BVF 02-07-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17896660)
It's not rocket science.

I don't know of anyone who sits on a cell phone and surfs the web, for porn or otherwise. Mobile internet just doesn't work because you can't fit a web page onto such a small screen. We want better and bigger, not smaller. Why would you pay to see porn on a tiny little screen when you can pay to see porn on your big ass monitor at home?

People surfing mobile porn are just killing time while waiting for the bus or their dentist appointment. They aren't serious porn shoppers.

I thought the same thing until I got an Iphone....Now while I think it's true that people don't surf and BUY porn on their phones, but I do think that people WATCH porn on their phones. I know for a fact that customers would email me complaining that they joined the site and cant watch it on their phones, which is why I now offer videos in mp4 format.

CamChameleon 02-07-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17899322)
Look at the posts in this thread if you want to see what separates out the big players (technology developers) from those that slap up the same content on a mobile tour as the paysite has, with no real technology behind it. It's a clear line - and the big players for sure aren't ignoring devices or the ability to bill them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17899322)
You don't build for every device... but you don't ignore device traffic you have. Mobile/portable technology is basically either web kit ready or wap, either way you're not doing much extra work other than adjusting css/features presented, width, etc.. Which takes all about 10 minutes to check, update and redirect - not years.

Once your videos are ready, it's just about offering various sizes... a very easy task, and very easy for today's cms's to split up.

Mobile isn't "A" website, it's many WebsiteS in one, formats, styles, layouts, video types, etc.. Look at the posts in this thread if you want to see what separates out the big players (technology developers) from those that slap up the same content on a mobile tour as the paysite has, with no real technology behind it. It's a clear line - and the big players for sure aren't ignoring devices or the ability to bill them.

The thread and the post I responded too were about mobilizing a single site even the thread starter has no more than 400 joins. I was under the impression we were talking small here! What you are saying is true but in my opinion this case does not require supporting alot of handsets. There are some great plugins for CMS's that take car of everything but man hours still need to be spent and testing is not easy and unless your actually testing on the device is it really a test and if you buy every device that will cost you alot of $$$

CMS Plugin example: Joomla users check this out! http://extensions.joomla.org/extensi...-display/11722

kristin 02-07-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 17899379)
OUCH, that is a lot of eggs in 1 basket.

Na, it's just a lot of joins ... on both sides. :)

It was around 60% but after Christmas we saw a huge spike in mobile sales.

PR_Dave 02-07-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17899732)
Na, it's just a lot of joins ... on both sides. :)

It was around 60% but after Christmas we saw a huge spike in mobile sales.

Cool, is this where you office is located?

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10658

J/k, well kinda...

We enjoy the competition!


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