A lot of people can't jerk off at home whenever they want because they've got a wife and kids milling about and refusing to leave a guy alone.

Each browser works differently on each phone, even the same phone, different versions can have different functionality. It's pretty much only wap that is even, the rest is all over the place. Designing for browsers is what you do on a pc - designing for technology is what you do for portable devices.

Designing for various technologies is key today, even Google does it.. ignoring them is lost money on mobile/portable devices, each has a market value, each just as strong as the next, even if it's small.

Grrrrreat lol here :)
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i never use the internet for porn myself.. i just hammer out tits and ass on a cave wall with a rock and a chisel... internet is a fad... caves are the future!

naked stick figures on papyrus is the future, i'm telling you!!! :mad:

The mobile skeptics are right; there is no money in mobile porn.

As such, you should just leave it to companies like ours to waste time and money chasing the phantom of mobile porn revenue.

In fact, just because we're feeling charitable today, TopBucks/Pink Visual will grudgingly accept any and all mobile marketshare that any of the rest of you don't want.

If you'd like, you can even cede all that marketshare to us without getting involved in the process, at all.

That's right! No need for whitelabels or adding your referral code to the mobile redirect script.... I mean, if it's not going to make any sales anyway, why bother yourself with tracking what happens after you send the surfers our way, right?

Just send us the traffic on a blank redirect and let us deal with the hassle of all those penniless Looky Lou mobile motherfuckers!

Don't thank me; it's the least we can do! :thumbsup

You don't have kids. :)

We noticed that mobile sales stayed relatively steady on Thanksgiving and Christmas. They really picked up that night. However, PC sites did the normal holiday trend and sales dropped. Why? The computer is in the living room whereas you can crash and take your porn on phone with you. Same with summers. I think people take their phone with them on vacation and enjoy their porn still.

You live up to your sig :pimp

I agree.

Nobody is EVER going to want to chat live to naked girls on their retinal display smartphones, with glasses free 3D displays and 100 mbit 4G connections.

FACT.

Kristin is right - the stats stayed up during the summer and holidays for us too.. and we have a good rate of non US conversions as well.. add in SMS/Phone billing and you get a nice income stream.. heck we're a business and still going strong, so most be some money in mobile right ? We don't do anything else.

All sites should have mobile versions - both paysites and affiliates.. To really make the money you need to build the experience the mobile surfer is looking for.

This is driven by two factors (1) content - don't just send them off to a generic WL of content they'll see elsewhere and (2) device support - we're constantly working to update our sites, our tech and support for the new handsets as they are launched.

Combined web/mobile access is a good step forward, we're launching more Sites and Programs on this business model, as the mobile surfers become more demanding.

We think this market will grow.. tablets, such as iPad and Galaxy are great portable screens to move around the house.. try one propped up in bed sometime.

Cheers

Lost money is spending years building a platform for every device and that doesn't even take into account all the new handsets hitting the stores in the future! The point i was making but feel you missed is to look at where you traffic is then see what devices are most popular in that region then create a solution for them. Once up and running use you data to extend your supported handsets list. The way you guys are pushing this is you will fail if you don't cover every handset which is NOT true! Do you think a guy with a nokia 3310 will spend x amount on content every week... i don't think so if he cant afford to upgrade his phone is he the customer you are going after!

Not every technology is key today some of these handsets will come and go will you be spending $$$ making these work on your platform... Google have the man power to go after them all but 99% of people here don't!

You need to promote sites which are optimized for most phones. A standard website that just looks good on the smaller browser...

our mobile device is the last personal device any of us family folk still own... sad but true!

You don't build for every device... but you don't ignore device traffic you have. Mobile/portable technology is basically either web kit ready or wap, either way you're not doing much extra work other than adjusting css/features presented, width, etc.. Which takes all about 10 minutes to check, update and redirect - not years.

Once your videos are ready, it's just about offering various sizes... a very easy task, and very easy for today's cms's to split up.

Mobile isn't "A" website, it's many WebsiteS in one, formats, styles, layouts, video types, etc.. Look at the posts in this thread if you want to see what separates out the big players (technology developers) from those that slap up the same content on a mobile tour as the paysite has, with no real technology behind it. It's a clear line - and the big players for sure aren't ignoring devices or the ability to bill them.

damn... thats' hot!

OUCH, that is a lot of eggs in 1 basket.

I thought the same thing until I got an Iphone....Now while I think it's true that people don't surf and BUY porn on their phones, but I do think that people WATCH porn on their phones. I know for a fact that customers would email me complaining that they joined the site and cant watch it on their phones, which is why I now offer videos in mp4 format.

The thread and the post I responded too were about mobilizing a single site even the thread starter has no more than 400 joins. I was under the impression we were talking small here! What you are saying is true but in my opinion this case does not require supporting alot of handsets. There are some great plugins for CMS's that take car of everything but man hours still need to be spent and testing is not easy and unless your actually testing on the device is it really a test and if you buy every device that will cost you alot of $$$

CMS Plugin example: Joomla users check this out! http://extensions.joomla.org/extensi...-display/11722

Na, it's just a lot of joins ... on both sides. :)

It was around 60% but after Christmas we saw a huge spike in mobile sales.

Cool, is this where you office is located?

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10658

J/k, well kinda...

We enjoy the competition!

your mobile sales have grown 167% since Christmas?

wow, very impressive, or your math is terrible, but I doubt that.

It is one site... or it can be many, it really makes no difference.

It isn't going to be cheap to do correctly, nothing ever is....just like if you test for the various web browsers, to ensure your sites features work correctly on them all.

The future of porn is technology... little by little the mom and pop shops wont be able to complete because they'll need to be able to adapt to changes, on the fly.

What if you factor in a drop for pc sales? :winkwink:

Woooooow! I hit up Sly from TopBucksMobile about my horrible 1:4400 ratio and he set me up with some white labels and now I am at 1:318! :thumbsup

And we found out it's mostly celebrity traffic that I'm sending which doesn't target their tour at all. Still converts. Nice works guys.

If you can't convert mobile traffic I suggest you have them set you up like they did me. Took 5 minutes.

In the 4q 2010, more Smartphones were sold than PC's - First Time Ever! Overall 2010, PC's just barely out sold smartphones. It wont be long before it's not just the smartphone that are out selling the pc, it will be tablets that do it next & they will beat out laptop sales too.

It's already here - are you ready for it?

You can stop mailing me now Dave about our mobile, there is obviously no money in mobile!

Thank god.

Mobile Traffic make 100% profit
 

mobile adult traffic make money for sure,
programs like topbucks, brazzers, nasty, realtity king, sexgoesmobile and some more are all producing good money, so there is defenitive money in the market.

like always its important to get the right product for your site
- livecams, dating or videos, what match best
- test arround with different niche
- do not only redirect, make your own mobile subdomain
- check your country stats, split per geoip

for sure all sales made in the usa market go thru credit card
so its not an impulsive buy and ratios are less, especial if traffic come from FREE sites or tubes.

In europe and countries with wapbilling (direct mobile billing) sexgoesmobile have conversions with 1:100 and less, because user only need to make 2 clicks to pay.

So my advice, split your mobile traffic, to the right product, niche and country and you will have success. Also do mobile seo, this will make you even more money in the future.

here some ways of redirecting scripts
http://www.sgm24.com/category/mobile-redirect/

greetings
Andy

Exactly my toughts. + People who will buy are people who have their dick in their hand while surfing.

Doesn't happen often in a bus.

Here is a sampling of some of my mobile stats. The first screencap is from PussyCash mobile cams, the second is from RevshareIt mobile porn, and the third is from AFF mobile dating. Notice that so far porn is making me far more on a RPC basis than cams or dating.

https://i.opx.eros.com/07afec2d20d75...a38fe4dd25.jpg

I don't think mobile will ever replace or compete.I do think it is a market for NICHE stuff where they can sit in the car at a park or whatever.Cams or dating probably does good...I GUESS.I think most will wait till they can see it on the big screen at home

You guess right:winkwink:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A5F6Ht-quO...0/vsgoogle.png

Are we defining tablet pcs as mobile devices here?

The only reason I'm thinking of buying a tablet is because it will be more convenient to jerk off to porn on it than it is with my laptop or desktop.

We don't redirect our traffic for the ipad or any other tablet device at this time. We're starting to discuss specific versions for those devices but for now the desktop version is the standard.

Makes me sad to see this sort of post from somebody like you...

Guess some people just stick to what they know and don't evolve (not calling you stupid or anything like that just for the record..)

That one made me laugh! :1orglaugh

I remember back in the mid 90's the mainstream porn world saying their is no money in this Internet porn thing, it's a fad, nobody will sit a pc and watch that, it's to slow, quality stinks, blah blah blah.

They were VERY wrong... very, very very wrong.

If you want to see who will be out of this Industry in 10 years just look at everything turning away from new technologies.

That's quite the spike.....

You would have to be really addicted to porn to watch on your phone.

i don't get this mentality at all. with all the silly shit that gets sold in this biz, why is mobile so lame? hasn't 'catering to the addicts' been the point of selling porn from jump street?

I think there are numerous of schools of thought regarding what should be done with mobile traffic in order to make money from it:
- sell all traffic redirected to one cam/porn/dating and "let them worry about how to convert it" as one user wrote.
- redirect to affiliate campaign
- create a sub domain or w/l
- 100% premium subscription service
- 100% ad funded model
- Premium/Ad funded model
- ignore it and pretend that nobody looks at porn on their mobile nor is there money to be made from it

Each one seems to have its benefits and pitfalls, working through them one by one my thoughts, for what its worth, are:
1. sell all traffic for a pre defined amount.
The clear upside is the fixed amount paid from the buyer and peace of mind. The downside. Lets say the traffic has a percentage coming from the EU and a percentage from the US - if a buyer whose biz is predominantly US based, they may be buying it even though they may not have operator "one -click"/sms/premium rate call-for-code billing and focusing mainly on converting the US stuff. In which case the price they will pay overall may be less to reflect the fact they have to take the convertible with the not so convertible. Ultimately you might not be getting paid the maximum amount for every user. The answer? As sexgoesmobile mentioned, you could look to split your traffic geographically and sell it to someone who can convert it the best for the territory. Another answer would be to see my note at the bottom of this post for another alternative.
To add further to this, we have always been told from our advertisers that traffic that has operator/sms billing converts 10X better than CC billing but that the lifetime value was half. Therefore it was worked out that approximately you were 5X better off for having operator billed traffic. Imagine you are selling that kind of traffic to someone who only wants to bill it with CC and you can see how much more valuable that traffic is to someone if you can find the right buyer.
2. Redirect to an affiliate campaign
As in the first point, if you have traffic in a territory that can be converted with a one or two step click process in stead of CC billing then it is important to find an affiliate program with the best billing option for your traffic profile.
3. create a sub domain or w/l
Any of the 3 above mentioned versions of this solution can work depending on the goals of the web master.Which one to choose probably comes down to how you have acquired you traffic originally.
- If you currently own a 100% premium web product but are seeing a percentage of it is coming from a hand-held device (perhaps existing paid members or direct nav) then this user is expecting to pay for their content and a w/l or sub domain offering just that could be a profitable way forward.
- If you have traffic coming expecting free content perhaps via search or referral then you can choose between the ad funded or part ad/part premium model. Speaking honestly, our experience has shown that it is difficult to turn a profit on a 100% ad funded model alone and that for the site to make the most of its traffic, you should be offering a premium element. A number of sites offer this with varying lengths of free content (i have seen 20 min vids being given away which seems slightly pointless if you are trying to sell something of your own) but the most effective of our partners find that short free vids that give a taste of the quality to be found in the premium section work best.
Clearly you will not convert all of the users landing on your site so this is where the ad model kicks in, enabling you to make money from the users who don't convert - perhaps that is because they never will or perhaps you don't have a suitable or easy billing solution for them in their given territory. An ad gives them the option to gain the quality of content they want, and you the revenue for bridging the gap. Note that our publishers see little or no drop off on their own subscriptions for these exact reasons.

One final way for a site owner to make money from mobile is now available and could provide the gateway to web masters realising the value of mobilizing their traffic.
As an ad network, we serve up ads the world over on sites optimized for mobile devices and you can carry our ads and make money from them - how much depends on a number of variables including handset and location to name a couple. This is not a new or original concept and is effective and we are not the only network out there doing it well.
However if you dont have a site of your own but have traffic you can do one of the above mentioned methods but maybe it makes little or no money. Maybe your traffic levels are comparably small and/or that a 1:500 or worse conversion means the work is not worth the return.
The point is we can serve an ad to a phone in pretty much every location across the globe which means we can make money on every single user seeking adult content from a hand held device.
If you don't have a site it doesn't matter as you redirect every user to us and we will, in turn, redirect each individual user to a paying advertiser who is best positioned to convert him/her given the aforementioned variables. We can only do this as we have a large enough network of advertisers to cope with the variety of traffic available.

anyway just some musings :)