He's still not going to do it.....I really believe that this scene will NEVER get shot....He just never expected somebody to actually show up with 3k...Once it's put in his hand, then there is NOTHING that he can do to back out so he will do everything in his power to make sure that the money does NOT get into his hands.

WOAH, just saw this. Robbie Are you just uninformed or are you insane? If you haven't read this article, you are just uninformed:
http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/

However, if you HAVE read this article and you're still saying these crazy things, then you're just insane!!!

So from what you say about the scene you watched is that it should not be shot that badly?

The microphone should hang from the ceiling somewhere...

Should it not be on a boom, with a professional boom swinger and sound recordest ?

Should not the scene be lit professionally too ? with a full professional crew?


Is the complaint that it should be shot in an amateur way but not "badly amateur"....

You talk about magazines, but the photography they promoted was repetitive, boring, same flat lighting, same stale ideas week after week, just change the girls. Was it really that diffferent ?

About the same as MET ART, all done to a formula.... So the magazines were just as guilty as what you accuse the websites of being, the minimum technical standards to make money...

The most creative photography and film making has not been found in porn, even though it has the money to fund it...

It is if the people in porn are cut off from normal culture and don't see films TV or photography in the mainstream...

Surly if shooters want to make better quality websites they are free to do so. We feel free to do want we want, exactly how we want...

In fact, we would encourage websites to shoot with planes going overhead, drop those shoes, no dear you don't look bored, love the the ink, they don't look fake at all, yes those grunts are totally believable....

Nice Cherry-Dawg(ette?)!

You have got to be kidding me right? You are this close to joining Fabian on my "ignore" list. I don't have any more patience for foolishness. Your choice.

huh? Please explain to me what you mean, exactly, before you put me on ignore. I have no idea what you mean and i would like to give you ONE opportunity to explain yourself. Explain yourself.

I don't have anything to explain. If you don't understand what piracy has done to this business in just the last 2 to 3 years...then you don't have any business even communicating with me. I really don't have time to explain shit to people who aren't in this business.

I hear you shot a nice video. That's cool. But I don't think you are in the same business as me. If you are, then you are trolling. Either way...I really don't have any reason to have a conversation with you.

No disrespect to you. But I come to GFY to speak to people that are in my business. Not outsiders who are having a grand old time on here poking the porn people with a stick. I'm putting you on ignore now. Nice meeting ya. Goodbye.

I know exactly what Piracy has done to the business in the last 2 to 3 years. I know this because I am in this business. I also know that Fabian had nothing to do with that before he owned Manwin, and now that he does own Manwin, I know he is doing more to combat piracy than hahahahahahaha and fooze 'n them. He has not made it perfect, but he is certainly working at making it better.

I am not trolling and I am in the same business as you. In addition to making a documentary on the industry I am a part of, I have an aebn affiliate site. I have a freesite or two. I have production-managed on porn sets. I have produced, I have directed, I have edited, I have performed, I have done it all!

Thank god the United Nations doesn't operate so block-headedly!
Wait, do they?

Gotta love Robbie! :)

first reply and made me -----> :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

450 people who know there is no way Paul is EVER going to make this film.

He is an interesting character. WHen he had his mullet, and his jericurls, he was all

"Fuck you, douchebag, you're so fucking retarded, I am brilliant, you are fucking shit"

Along with the amusing rants about claudemary being the most successful bit tit milf in the world. Ever.

Now, he's had the mullet removed, and he is all:

"I read your point, I make a counterpoint that is unrelated to your original point and now I put you on ignore"

It's like the slow kid at school is running up to someone successful and shouting "POO POO HEAD" at them, then running to the sandpit and sticking his head in it.

:)

Read before you post. I know you are old and confused and really stupid, but take a breath grandpa.

On page 9 Fabien already agreed to prepay you, you fuckstick.

So now you have NO excuse at all!

(But we all know you will just lie, there is no way, at all, this will be made, but well done for 10 pages of nonsense).

Paul, seriously.. as I said, I am pre-paying... no issue at all..

Also, I do not understand why to ME you say in an email you will read the contract "tomorrow" (that was yesterday) but here you come and post how its all unfair and evil and we will never pay you... jeez :) seriously paul...

As I said, pre-payment is not an issue at all, you will get a new contract today. I also got scene info for you, but I think the scene they picked does not fit, so I will talk to them again today, I do not want to set you up to fail... I want to see your far superior shooting...

Look, its simple.. IF you are correct, and your style content would be BETTER and the USERS actually agree, I would be the LAST ONE not to just hire you. I will make more money... its as simple as that.. but for this to happen, I need proof....

Thank you. Being old doesn't mean you forget everything you learnt over the years.

Then Manwin are at fault using him. He's below par.

Then shows that below par people are shooting porn for Manwin.

The shooter should shoot the stills and video. This way builds up a relationship between the model and shooter on the stills set. There should be no distractions for them both to work. Don't they use a power pack on the strobes?

As for getting out by 4pm. Why? Once you start squeezing shoots into a time frame you lose quality. someone said it can be done in half a day. Yes it can be done like this in half a day. Done well takes longer.

He could still put in more poses and not make mistakes like hiding the girl doing a "pink". But without blaming them I blame Manwin for using this content. My site proves without a shadow of doubt I can out shoot both of these guys.

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Not the TT? Shit that guy should know far better. Ultimately Manwin are to blame for using him.

That's no whenre near Amatuer niche. Miles away.
I saw worse on Brazzers. Pro Am always meant, to me, pro shooter amateur model. This is pro model amateur shooter. Not great. What do members think of it?

Is his content flagged with his name?
Yes had this when I was shooting amateur for Astral Blue.

Then that reflects badly for the rest of the industry. I have seen inside a lot of site and yes, Brazzers is in front of many online only sites. Which says something bad about the rest.

Editing your own work is essential to learn from mistakes. We all make them, seeing what is dumped in the editors lap teaches a person to not do it again. Goes for video and stills. The editing of this scene was sloppy at best. Is the editor a bad guy as well?

I would never of lasted producing content like this and with respect to the shooter and editor they wouldn't of lasted either. It's only online that they do. Is the customer so forgiving when he spent his money?

I doubt it.

Thanks, will wait for the new contract.

I read it this morning. And have other issues with it. Will email you.

Will you hire me at $3,000 a scene?

The mistakes in the content loaded onto the Mofos site are obvious, the editing is sloppy. The stills shooting is crap, the video shooting is crap. You use a below par team to shoot content you want to satisfy members with.

However Manwin's content is pretty good for online only companies. I blame the actual trend of companies loading sites with below par content. Which has done as much harm to this business as Tubes and piracy. The below par content made customers far harder to sell to and made memberships shorter.

I will post later how I think solo girl scenes should be shot.

Whether I'm physically capable of shooting today is the only issue. Getting hold of the latest equipment doesn't show a shooters skills. The reviewed scene I assume was shot with good equipment, but still fucked it up. The best job I could do is tutor shooters and editors. That way physical and equipment doesn't enter the equation. What's in my head is clearly demonstrated.

These faults by the whole industry are one of the main reasons why so many now go for Amateur content. They're sick of watching pro models badly fake their way through a scene while being shot by below par shooters and badly edited. They above all want reality, in Playboy end or Homegrown end.

And they don't want to have their ears blown out by a models heels banging on the floor. That will lead to canceled memberships.

I'm going to eat.

Paul,

I would appreciate if you would at some point at least start showing some respect. At some point, I will stop being nice and friendly to you too...

I honestly do not care if you think my whole team are a bunch of idiots and know nothing at all.. My team makes me more money in a day, than you make in a year.

That being said, there is a purpose of having "bad" looking videos on the mofos sites.. they have to have mistakes to look more real. They are supposed to look a bit more home-made... The stills, I agree, are not good. The reason though is simple, as I said in the past, its not a focus, at all, to make them good. Its not the point. They are made primarily for ad production and are good enough for that. We just load them all on the site since more is better on a website, compared to a magazine where each pic needs to be perfect.

I have said time and time again that we will pay you 3000 USD for the scene. And I have said again that we will pre-pay. This is the first contract draft, give me your comments and I'll look into it.

I might take you up on yout tutoring idea.. who knows... Mofos is amateur btw, its NOT brazzers, which is shot completely different.

Mofos is shot with hand held HD cams, Brazzers uses more professional equipment and lighting.

Again, as I said, if we your changes to Mofos videos increase retention even more, I'm the last one to complain. But that is still to be proven... Mofos performance already is very very good.

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You took up this challenge to see me fail, you tried to trick me into shooting 3 scenes, you sent me the contract and no indication of a draft.

And by having better guys, they would make you more.

So a website can get away with bad content. I wonder if members agree with you. Don't tell me what you do now, it's about what you could be doing. You and so many other sites. Some seem to think once the member has signed up the hard work is over. We know where the main cost goes. In truth to retain members and get them to return, to earn even more money, the job is now to be done inside the site.

I will review more scenes later. There is nothing "Home Made" about those 2 scenes.

Yes magazines demanded a far higher standard.

Not what the contract sent said.

Mofos isn't amateur. Having good lighting and cameras doesn't make a professional film.

It can't be improved by someone coming in and shaking up the team?

Was the editing meant to be amateur as well?

I don't see you showing me any respect. And my respect is earned not bought. I have said Manwin's content looks better than many, if not most online. but that's my point. It's not just Manwin's site putting out low quality content shot on high quality cameras. It's the general trend. For the reasons I stated at the beginning of this thread.

Ultimately it's not what anyone here thinks of content. It's what the end buyer thinks. The members. Saying it's good enough isn't good enough for them.

It is if they keep paying. What does it matter as long as you get the cash.

I can't see many people mid-wank putting their cocks down in disgust saying "I HEARD HER FUCKING STILETTO SHOE ON THE FLOOR FFS".

Paul, stop claiming I am even remotely trying to trick you! I keep telling you your requested changes are fine.. Hardly tricking you.

The contract is simply there to define our relationship and the 3000 usd and such is then done based on invoicing an order from us to you... The only change needed is pre payment, this contract does not cause you to have to deliver anything, it simply defines what happens IF you deliver something and what insuch a case you have to provide us with...

any date yet? i havent caught up yet, bit busy so will catch up later

Is this nearer to happening now or further away than ever?

paul, am i gonna be the lucky guy who gets to star with these girls?

Page 10??? Really??

Who gets 10 pages on GFY now a days? Contest threads don't even get 10 pages.


Maybe Nathan should hire Paul for web marketing or as an affiliate manager..:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dave, this is all planned :)

You are killing me
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should i bother reading this thread?

Yes you should. This one is really good. Its a roller coaster ride of entertainment.


Some would say its a story of good vs Evil or the past vs. the present. Either way it will be a good read.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's in motion.

Need the script, get the contract agreeable to both of us and the money to me. Then I'm off to see some friends regarding models who will be suitable and locations.

Going to England for a few days Friday to see family. Haven't seen them in a very long time, not I'm off the bottled food I can fly. :thumbsup

So nothing is likely to happen for a few weeks. Not got anything in line like we used to have, then we could shoot at a moments notice. Now it's tougher. But it will get done, I will do my best and I will get taken apart by the trolls.

And I will not care. It's what I think of it that counts.

Some things never change. You can always rely on top marketing man like Damian to come up and put his foot in his mouth.

What if they only stay 2 months when 25% would of stayed 3 months? What if only 10% come back to rejoin when 15% would of? Numbers are to show the example.

Try to steer clear of making too many posts like that one.

On second thoughts, keep going. Great point. :thumbsup

I'm looking at the set of the 3 girl scene now, anyone want to see a review?

Wouldn't know where to start. As a content manager with the task of improving content is my field now.

Even the "New" styles employ the same basic techniques we had to learn. Adjusting to them is not a problem. My only unsure area is models and mostly US models. How pliable are they today. It seems to me many come in to do a mundane job, get it over with and churn out a performance that required little of them.

Maybe I was spoilt working in UK and CZ. These girls generally didn't mind putting part of themselves into their work.

Shooting solo girl.

These tips can be employed to what ever style or level with some adjustment.

Meeting a model prior to the shoot on a casting is a great way to start the relationship. It allows the shooter to impress the model that he knows what he's doing and gives her the chance to learn about the work and how he works. It's also an excellent way of the shooter seeing which girls are suitable for his work and him.

And avoids any embarrassment when the girl sent THE ONLY decent picture she has, taken prior to the lions head tattoo covering her back. Yes it has happened. :1orglaugh

Not always possible but great if it is. Always get models to confirm they are coming a day before the shoot.

On the shoot day the shooter greets the model and while the crew, or not, is working they can sit down and chat and build a bridge. The shooter can again explain what is happening today. Get her too turn off her mobile, phone calls form boyfriends can screw a good day up. For many reasons.

Then she's off to make up, dressing and the shooter is off to set or check his lights and equipment. Model turns up and all is ready. Make sure your phone is switched off or in a place it won't be heard.

The set is closed from here on in. Only the shooter and maybe assistant/assistants are allowed in. Or allowed to move, murmur, talk or make a noise. The fewer distractions the better. The shooter needs to build a bridge between him and the model, so she's working with him and not just striking poses into the lens.

On shooting stills on all but amateur it's helpful to show the model you know what you're doing to put her right on a few poses, maybe move her leg over, move her arm in, arch her back more, throw her shoulders back a little. All to get her confident you're not just clicking a camera and know what you want.

Girls who need a bit of confidence give it to them, maybe a compliment on her work, or even a compliment on her body. It's not sexual harassment. It's a porn shoot not an audition for a church choir, you're about to ask her to stick a dildo in her pussy and/or ass. If it helps the model it's allowed. Newbies be very careful of this. She must never think you have an ulterior motive.

Communicate, lead and follow. Shoot in a progression that you want the video to go in. Make the girl shine as herself and not just another girl pulling her panties down for the money. They're all doing it for money, the trick is to show they're doing it for other reasons than to get paid.

Finish, give the girl a dressing gown, thank her, have a break and change lights while model gets a drink, touches up her make up and redresses.

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All pussies and asses look the same. Some scenes the only difference is the color of the dildo being rammed in. Tits do vary but not enough. It's just meat on a slab.

What makes the scene different is the girls looks, character and personality as she rams in the dildo. Or gets undressed. For Amateur, Gonzo and teen videos this is essential, or it's just another piece of meat laid out.

This technique has to be adjusted to fit the girl, some attractive girls are over confident, been hit on too many times and then it's the technique used in higher end content shoots. All people are different they require different handling and a good shooter knows how to adjust this method to suit the model.

The only way I've ever known to get a girl to bring something of herself to a shoot is to get her to do it for herself and me. I'm flesh and blood a camera is metal, glass, chips and plastic. So the bridge building before comes into it's own. In the ideal shoot she's working to get the shooter to lay her. Because if he keeps his act together and the camera pointed in the right direction he captures it all on the lens and chip. For the viewer to enjoy afterwards. OK most of the time she's just easing him and that's fine. That's the easiest way to produce a great product.

She's sticking her ass in the air a little higher to please him, she's playing with herself to get his reactions and the whole thing is working like Amateur, yet in a professional style. It's not easy to achieve, some shooters can't do it. But the best can. That's what really separates them from a guy pointing a camera.

With the higher styles of porn it's essential to impress the girl with an attention to detail, knowledge and skill. So the girl is working to impress him in a different way. She's still working for his attention.

When she speaks she speaks as herself, the best thing is to tell her the context she should talk in, but let her make it her words. Then each girl starts to act a little different. If the shooter is teaching her parrot fashion it starts to get repetitive and the girl has little feeling in what she's saying. Yes some girls find it hard to talk in front of the camera. Get her to talk to you while the camera is over your face.

And that brings us another point. If you're looking through the screen on the side you might have it away from your face. The girl will look at your face and it looks like she's looking off camera. Very off putting for the viewer.

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This barely scratches the surface of what it takes to shoot good solo girl content.

Each girl is very different, some need compliments about their tits or ass or legs, some have crooked teeth and won't open their mouths. Some turn up with bad discharge, warts or herpes on their pussies, not cleaned their asses properly, not douched out properly, get a period (even though she swears it's not due!!!), get PMT. Turn up with razor burn and blood spots where they shaved or even slashed their wrists since the casting. All has to be handle. Sometimes with fixing the problem and sometimes with sending them home, even if it requires taking them to the station, Send them home and take the day off.

Thankfully most turn up willing to work and listen, if you do it right. Some even turn up determined to have a good day. Even had a girl turn up determined to get laid. But enough about Eva. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The one ruling factor is get the work done and make sure the girl is happy and wants to work for YOU again.

all bow to the genius.

http://www.tube8.com/teen/just-cute-teasing-teen/14221/

Paul how hard is to shoot this style? I mean xgf style...all you need is cheap camera or iphone 4

You can just see the rapport he built up oozing out of the girl. So comfortable. So real. Amazing. If this is what 3k gets you I bet people will be lining up to get Paul's input on all types of projects.

Very hard. The shooter whose a stranger is trying to get the girl to act like he's her boyfriend. If it's as if a BF is shooting it. If she's pointing th camera at a mirror or got it on a tripod she has to act as if it's for her BF.

Yes trolls, getting a girl to shoot solo girl isn't as easy as point and shoot. No mater if another girl is shooting her. Which I why I can never understand why people scream ot "Shoot a solo girl site of her."

We shot Grace and her stills sales were fantastic. Yet on video she sucked unless mixed in with other girls. Yet people shot solo girl sites of her.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/grace.jpg

If we were relying on video sales she wouldn't of made us as much money. Like the girl in the Tube8 video. But you can't expect trolls to realise that.

Rabbit Reviews

Paul Markham Teens Quality 9/10 Total score 84/100
MOFOS Quality 9/10 Total score 76/100
Brazzers Quality 10/10 Total score 95/100

Back to the thread topic, don't know if its harder to shoot, but sure seems harder to negotiate a deal....haha :pimp

Do you really take that seriously? They are an AFFILIATE. Period.

Sometimes I have to wonder what some people are thinking. A lot of you act like marks and are always being worked. A few of you understand the game.

You are supposed to be IN this business. Anybody actually in this business who believes a "review site" is an actual "review site" like "Consumer Reports", is a mark. Plain and simple.

Whomever wrote those "reviews" is no more and no less qualified to "grade" a website than any asshole off the street. Most times they are LESS qualified because they aren't a fan of and don't understand the niche in front of them.

People, start acting like you are in this business and stop acting like fans/customers.

I don't know Paul so nothing against him, but the statement above should be immortalized. :thumbsup