Paul, I would think, for you, the hardest thing about shooting Porn now/then would be the adjustment from Black and White to Color.

Your jokes/bit and Paul's content have a lot in common.

However me and Damian have little in common.

He knows nothing about how to sell content for the most money. Nothing about marketing, or he wouldn't of been stupid enough to post his rented hovel that looks like it's full of 2nd hand furniture. He's broke and clearly has to be worried about his future employment. He lives in a country where the cost of living is high. He's alone.

I know tons about what the best paying markets want, Enough about marketing to work in that market and this. I have enough to live out my life and no worries about ever having to find a job. I live in a house fully paid for. I live in a country where the cost of living is far lower. I am surrounded by my immediate family.

More scared girls.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover00.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover02.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover03.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover04.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover05.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover07.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cover08.jpg

I know how to shoot content that sells. He knows how to shoot content that makes him look like an idiot without a pot to piss in.

Thank fuck for that.

I have a beautiful girlfriend that I didn't have to pay money to an agency to get.
You have a woman that looks like a man that you had to pay for.

I live in a beautiful part of West Sussex with views over fields one side, and a river the other.
You had to flee the UK for [REDACTED]

I am asked to post here in the Education Series because of my knowledge.
You rant like a dribbling lunatic, repeating the same old thing ALL DAY that no one agrees with.

I am fit and well.
You post here pretending to have a variety of problems in order to get money from people.

You pretend to have retired, but troll here to sell your pics for 60 bucks.
I work hard for A list clients like Playboy, EasyDate, VideoSecrets etc.

You have ex-employees saying some very very very bad things about you (stuff most people in the industry have sussed already).

You post screen shots and blank out a puppy shop from your toolbar.

You actually said that you find 15 year old children sexually attractive.

/me shakes his head

You are a laughing stock.

Yes, I am awfully glad I am nothing like you.

PS Damian and I, not me and Damian

PPS Also, you are really easy to troll. I predict you will bring up 1) The fact you think I live in a rented flat 2) The fact I get paid money for doing magic

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what i was thinking before i even opened the thread..

Damian, I think you are a very bad person for thinking Czech is in any way inferior to Surrey. You've got more chance of buying a bride in the UK than you have in CZ by a million miles. If you'd ever been you'd realise the place has gone from communism to virtually fucking Switzerland in 20 years. If only the same could be said of Hull.

As for Surrey being the be all and end all of views, you have to be fucking joking.

Google image search for "czech countryside" or "Olomouc" (a small town miles from anywhere, but one I happen to have visited) The place is fucking lovely.

Paul's point, which you constantly choose to miss about the 15 years is that you simply won't realise they are 15. Czechs are tall and skinny and very, very pretty. Any supermodel who's name ends ...ova is probably a czech. I've seen a field of fruit pickers in CZ that looked like a video shoot - 30 pickers, all girls, all in jeans and bikini tops, all hot. Seriously nearly crashed the car. Shooting in CZ, we shoot only agency girls, but judging by what you see on the streets you better check that ID carefully, cause you could be caught out easily.

And Paul is right, gloopy or gaping pussy shots were a total nogo for years.

And as for marrying models. Its one of the perks of the job, lots of photographers do it. Lets start a list.

Petter:Luba

man you should have shot that scene lol.

ya czech girls were nice before the got pro. i was with Hegre, as u know, in the early days and those Russian/East Euro girls were untouched and didn't know anything about the industry. now they are all pros and know exactly what to charge, what is on the model release, and are bitchy just like LA pornstars.

i think the whole point of Paul's threads are always about how the good old days were so much better. for us non-retirees, who still work hard and make a living in this business, its annoying to hear. just because he can no longer make a living in porn doesn't mean the rest of us aren't doing it.

oh and fyi your new tour took me 70 seconds to load. i loaded another site i know afterwards in seconds to make sure it wasn't me. u should have bought PornCMS :P

I don't, nor have I claimed that. I do think that a small village outside Brno is inferior to West Sussex. But we all know the real reason he is over there. And it's got nothing to do with models. He's retired, remember.

Oh he realises. He also said that school teachers must have an "iron will" not to succumb to children he teaches. There's no ambiguity there. No uncertainty about their ages. This is stuff he actually posted, not me playing hard and loose with the quotes.

Who denies this? Time moves on, however, and this isn't the 80s. Who the hell wants to see a scared teenager being forced to shove a toy up her bone dry cunt? It's nasty.

Great strawman post though Simon. Good work.

PS Thanks for the cover image, the mag looks stunning, I'll send it over.

Take no notice of him. Few do and it's obvious he's completely lost it.

He's now down to insulting family members.

4.

Do not post people's personal information, or attack peoples personal lives or families, stick to the issues and the bullshit. ANY WHOIS information is considered public information, it is not considered personal information. So don't bitch at us if you put your home address as your personal info on WHOIS.

And come as close as breaking this one as it's possible.

"You have ex-employees saying some very very very bad things about you (stuff most people in the industry have sussed already)."

9.

False accusations against a person or company. We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong. Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof. If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else, have your proof in order and post it with your claim. False accusations will be grounds for immediate banning.

Do I care, no I sit here in a beautiful village over looking a river at the front and a farm at the back. He's kept awake at nights by the trains going past his bedroom.

Also Damian has zero idea of what magazines required.

He works hard for those "top" guys. I didn't work hard to make more money out of guys much bigger. :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Still breaking the rule. Post proof or face a ban.

Do you want Eric's email address, hun?

All I said was we all know the real reason you are over there.

How is that breaking any rule at all?

Could be the fresh air, the views, the stunning women, the food, the standard of living you can give your beautiful little girl, anything.

Why are you getting so wound up?

Are you worried about something?

Can someone put this old cunt in a housing home... please... seriously.

Joanie Alumn - John Alumn
Gayle Honneycutt - Scott Harris
Pierre Woodman married a Slovak girl
John Graham -Girl I can't remember her name.


Tracey Coleman lived with Terry Munns for years.
Harry Ormisher always had a Page 3 girl on his arm.

There are probably tons more, I think Suze married a shooter and was a model. You need to be able to charm the ladies if you want to be a good porn shooter.

This list where an old guy tries to remember people's names should have a thread of its own.

Great fun.

Reminds me of my grandpa.

[QUOTE]I don't, nor have I claimed that. I do think that a small village outside Brno is inferior to West Sussex. But we all know the real reason he is over there. And it's got nothing to do with models. He's retired, remember.


Oh he realises. He also said that school teachers must have an "iron will" not to succumb to children he teaches. There's no ambiguity there. No uncertainty about their ages. This is stuff he actually posted, not me playing hard and loose with the quotes.



Who denies this? Time moves on, however, and this isn't the 80s. Who the hell wants to see a scared teenager being forced to shove a toy up her bone dry cunt? It's nasty.

Great strawman post though Simon. Good work.

PS Thanks for the cover image, the mag looks stunning, I'll send it over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t...So_Close_to_Me
Pointing out the difficulties of being a teacher is hardly new or controversial. Give it another season and I'm sure Mr Shu will be at least tempted.

Visit Brno and see the place before you decide.

You can hardly attack a shooter for bone dry cuntism when it was the rules, and be fair. Old dog, new tricks, he's hardly likely to change after 30 years of doing it one way. Fuck, my attempts at "fine art" always end up with at least one gape shot. :winkwink:

I just don't get it. Paul is insanely annoying, but why go there? His argument about the good old days just doesn't stand up, so I'm happy to hit him over the head with that. But I also cut him a bit of slack cause he's a bit out of touch and plain lucky-to-be-still-alive ill.

Plus for all his wrong-ness he's stayed in business for a very long time, which means he is doing something right. He may not correctly realise what it is that's working, but when he speaks I pay attention because he may just give away the secret without even realising what he's just said.

Again, don't think I claim it is new nor controversial. How much straw do you use making
these posts?

That's his problem. He won't change after doing something for 30 years. He won't take advice. He always thinks he is right. He posts the same old shouting at clouds rants about things he doesn't understand. He contributes nothing. He posts incorrect opinion as fact. He repeats himself all the time like a broken record.

Because I really, really enjoy winding him up. He never seems to realise when he's being hard trolled and always responds as I predict. This amuses me on 5 minute breaks inbetween working stuff. I sit here laughing out loud when his does his standard reply of mocking the flat he thinks I live in, or thinking it's bad I do magic. Bless him and his two little replies.

Allegedly.

No it doesn't, really. Look around. How many people in this industry do you look at and think "they know their onions". Longevity is no measure of skill, it's a measure of not being able to do anything else.

Added to which, he's "retired" and isn't posting deliberately clear troll threads to try and sell 19 HD vids for 150 bucks. So it's all moot anyway.

With your fucked up teeth, doubtful.

Insightful. Thanks. Your 100 posts really make you look like a topnotch standup guy.

You're clearly a regular with a fake nick. Man up.

I would of changed if the highest paying market had told me too. They started doing more nude, pussy, pink and insertion and we started including these shots. Compare this.

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/details.php?id=7 Shot in 1988

To this.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=2378 Shot in 2008

In fact in the 30 years I changed styles a lot according to the markets. That's why I lasted 33 years. Could I change to todays styles? Yes. Will I for what the Adult Internet pays? NO BLOODY WAY.

As for the good old days. The customers expectations for great porn hasn't changed. No matter how harder you shoot it if you shoot it wrong, it won't sell. If you all shoot the same style and content your chances of a sale and retention plummet. These are the rules in all businesses. The Adult Internet preached it differently, not because the customers wanted it different. But because that's all the site owners could deliver.

http://business.avn.com/charts/Top-100-Overall-Sales/

For a better view of the industry. The studios shown over and over again can afford to spend money to produce a product the customers want. The Adult Internet largely produces the product it can afford then convinces themselves of the rest. And don't ask why so many don't have sites with 1,000s of members. It's more than obvious they're not bothered.

I know exactly what's working, just not deluding myself into thinking what suits so many.

Customers want quality porn, in all niches and styles. Shot by people with a clue, models who aren't faking it and in a way that's not repeated on site after site. Problem is many can't deliver that on the budget most of the Adult Internet can spend. Look at the Internet companies on that list.

And before anyone tells us they don't make the money the Adult Internet does. DVD porn makes far more the Internet porn. Just not deluding myself.

Oh come on, you've done that one before.

How about:

"Americans are all fat"

"The Pope Loves Child Porn"

"Come to Prague to learn about the adult industry"

Oh no, you've done all them too!!!

But it's true.

I never said these.

"Americans are all fat"

"The Pope Loves Child Porn"

Lies trip off your keyboard so fast it's hard to keep up.

Yes by coming to a DVD show people will learn more about the adult industry. It's been one of the fundamental problems of this side of the porn industry that is was so insular.

A lot can be learned by looking at other sides of an industry.

in 2004 i bought 100 photo sets from Paul, launched a site, and made $10k the first month. could i do that now? no. is it the content or the market? both.

you're a funny guy!

We really couldn't change. On one hand we had sets selling for $3,000 to $4,000 (magazine and other sales) on the other we had people asking us to shoot content that was worth $400 (Internet Custom). Absolute no brainer.

I'm being accused of shooting a style often worth ten times what the Internet was worth. And I'm to blame. :upsidedow

That really shows how insular this side of the porn industry is.

Even Content store sales out paid what Custom sales would pay. Think of it. 10 sales at $35 = $350. You don't have to do a lot to sell a set 10 times in 10 years. Then there the video. 10 times in 10 years for video and set a $60 = $600. I could never really work out why so many switched from having Content Stores to Custom only.

And today as the Mighty Troll points out we are still able to sell these in special offers.

How many times do you think we sold these girls. On the Internet and via magazines?

Grace

Christine

Susane

I didn't shoot the wrong style. I shot at the wrong price. For many who wouldn't or couldn't pay enough. Pay me $3,000 for a single set and I'll shoot the style you want. :thumbsup

Glad I amuse you. You can't post anything to show otherwise without looking clueless so amusing you is good enough. :thumbsup

What % do you think DVDs outsell online porn by? Just ballpark will do.

And how does that % relate to how many loos Fabian has?

This shit still going on??

Just a guess but I would say DVD sales outsell Internet porn sales easily by 100% and probably a lot more.

What do you think all Internet porn sales are worth?

Not counting Dating because that's the Lonely Hearts Club market, just links to porn.

I'll bet you don't even know what a good porn DVD sales are worth.

i've definitely spent time analyzing why i made money back then. one reason was scarcity - everything sold. the other could have been that your girls were recognized from magazines and guys wanted to see more pics and videos of them.

fast forward to today. people are still buying the bargain basement content i bought 7 years ago, but it sure isn't selling any porn. the buyers are nubes that have no clue that this content has recirculated around the net hundreds of times. lucky for Paul there's new nubes on the boards every week.

the point of old versus new content style is that surfers DO want to see the bangbus girls getting fucked - or whatever reality site is cool now. they don't care about lighting. porn today is about fantasy and speed of access. guys 18-40 want young sluts in situations they can relate to and they want to stream or download it before their cock softens. sure the old guys might reminisce on the old style stuff, but its not selling.

Paul started this thread saying he can't shoot anymore for 3 reasons. several other shooters debunked these points because they have adapted and are making good money in today's market.

its a never-ending fight between the dinosaurs of the business and the guys who have evolved. i've had the fight many times - without getting personal.

Wrong. Scarcity was never a problem. Producers of content had to fight hard to get publishers to buy.

That's music to my ears. For some obscure reason the saying "Non exclusive is saturated" was meant to be bad. To a producer selling his wares it was music to his ears. I wanted to get my content on as many sites as I possibly could. And did. For the producer it was a bad thing to have content that wasn't saturated.

Fine then pay us enough to shoot it.

Who remembers Perfect Gonzo in their heyday?

When they were going strong everyone was asking if we or other shooters could produce the style. The answer was yes we can, the problem was the cost. Even PG couldn't replace their shooter after he left to go to, I was told, Evil Angel.

For producers it comes down to $$$$$. Just like with site owners.

OK I should of said GOOD porn. As for good money. Not what I would call good money. The prices paid today are not that good.

The customers haven't changed their needs for good porn. The publishers have changed their definition of good porn.

And I'm not being personal, just pointing out the other sides view point.

Saturation of content = $$$$$ For the producer/seller. :thumbsup
Custom content = $$$ For the producer/seller. :(

It's all about $$$$

Paul, everyone here has respect for what you did in the 90's. But the industry you worked in then is 10-20 years old now. In today's market things change in the split of a second. The web waits for no one, and it's standards can be completely different one day than it was the last.

Again, I say this with respect. You did fantastic things in the 90's.

However it's 2011. What you know of this industry is completely upside down from what it was in your heyday.

A prime analogy is the recent Netflix infographic that has been spreading around the net. ( http://film-book.com/wp-content/uplo...graphic-01.jpg )

This is a new age of business. Things move at the speed of light. You can't just sit back and think what you knew or did fifteen years ago still holds true today. Everything we knew about the internet just FIVE years ago is literally obsolete now.

FFS, We're being accused of not having the budget to get porn right any more and you post that content of those three girls? Show me where the un-achievable today production values are in those sets, cause somewhere along the line, I must have missed them.

I've also shot Susane and thought she was an unspeakable faker of the highest order. Still did OK, though.

http://www.simonscans.com/models/sho...hp?modelid=442

we are on different pages. what a surprise. i told you i analyzed why your content sold $10k in INTERNET SALES in the 1st month in 2004. what the fuck does that have to do with your reply? i was a webmaster who bought some content, not a magazine publisher. keep up or go back to bed.

you are an old defensive dinosaur trying to suck out the last bits of a dying era.

lol who would pay u to shoot anything today? have u produced anything that would compete in today's market? i was trying to be balanced in my reply, but you are just a dick.

he thinks we are still talking about DVDs and magazines. he probably doesn't realize that we now sell porn online.

plsureking is dead right. Scarcity does sell easier than saturation.

Some sites are individual and sales with the same marketing show it. Bangbus is an excellent example. Along with Twistys and more.

Yet many shoot the most saturated content around. It doesn't matter if this is the only site with this girl on, or the only site with this scene of that girl. It's the same old format that's repeated over and over again. And usually at a level that keeps the price down.

Some sites would rather put up 3 new exclusive scenes a day that are little different from what's on dozens if not hundreds of other sites and think it's right.

Scarcity does sell easier than saturation. And the easiest way to produce it is inside the site in the members area. Then follow up with the marketing. If hundreds can't or won't produce the same quality you've cut the customers options.

potter you can't be reading or know about me. I earned more in the 2000s than I ever earned before. And today I would still be shooting. If people would pay me the money we earned for a set in 2007.

Yes everything we knew in 2005 is obsolete. It's totally new game today. So what have Adult Paysites done to change to 2011. Besides giving away more free content.

I'm all about change, I'm moaning about the status quo for today. Maybe I'm not doing it very well. But I'm clearly saying what is being done today is now working and it's time to change.

So why didn't ,ore shooters move to more profitable markets?

You can shut me up by giving me a pass to your site and I can tell you if they are good enough and why.
Yes she is and if she does a real orgasm and you blink you miss it. LOL

Thankfully didn't have to shoot her having an orgasm for magazine sets.

uhg.....

its a good place to start. if that was the point of this thread then it was read wrong by a lot of people. i probably read it wrong because all you do is bitch about problems and offer nothing of a solution. your solution in this thread is that publishers should pay you more. thats not realistic and you should know that.

industry veterans like yourself should be mentoring and offering solutions, advice, and helping the industry grow. you have knowledge that could be used to help the industry move forward if packaged right. but i dont see that here or on other boards. i see a grumpy old man.

i'm all about moving forward. i have at least another 20 years to go in my career so i'm always looking at the long view. what i see from my ~150 client sites and what i read on the boards is that people in this business ARE changing their strategies and plans as the market evolves. change is happening all over the industry. its most likely that you just aren't seeing the change.