can't wait to see this quality of videos on the brazzers network.

http://www.youjizz.com/videos/paul-m...me-183889.html

could revolutionize the biz.

That's worth 9,000 times more than Nathan is offering.

Hehe,

I'd love to understand how that video is any better than a _brazzers_ video, lol...

So anyway, where are we with this?

Fabien offered Paul what he wanted for the shoot. Paul hasn't got modern enough kit, but will borrow it from someone.

So when is it happening?

I will keep you all posted...

Once I have details on the scene I will let you know...

im post # 207
did i win?

Do you know what trolls thinking it's good is worth to me in the bank?

Yes exactly $0.00

What matter is what the 2 scenes sold for. In the 7 years since we shot the 2 scenes sales of each set and video and each set exceeded 100 each. ! set @ $45, 1 @ $40, 1 video and set at $70 and 1 at $80.

OK we now sell scenes or sets for $30, not a set and a video. 100 x 4 $30. That's $12,000 at today budget prices. That would make it $23,500. Plus blow outs a nice income from non exclusive. Plus magazines, plus DVD. that day easily cleared $25,000.

Remember non exclusive is saturated and you can't do that without selling it. And magazine first rights is $5000 a set. Second rights will probably make $2,500. DVD is all money on top. And we still sell the content.

And that what pays out bills even today after not shooting for 2.5 years.

I woke up with a fever and feel like shit so don't accuse me of running off. I'm going back to bed soon, just need to send a few orders and update the sites.

We really have such different definitions of the word retire.

My definition means you stop working.

What does yours mean?

We really have such different definitions of the word marketing.

My definition means you make something look good, worth having or using.

What does yours mean? Looking like a broke loser isn't even close.

http://vimeo.com/13411050

Stop typing and start shooting something.

Stop shooting and start typing.

http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/smallpics/butta1.jpg

http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/smallpics/shae21.jpg

I will never be able to shoot something this good.
Thankfully, I want to make money. Not get a disease.

You should put your mask on the girls.

You're STILL typing and not shooting huh?....I was out on the streets just today but I didn't find anything...But I'm out there on the grind...

And let's see how many porn consumers have heard of BVF vs. Paul Markham?...

Back in like '02 when I met you, I had a modicum of respect for you....But now, you're a has been who has been eclipsed by any chump with a camera and an internet connection.....Congrats.

Not got the script, location, girl, camera or money. So not shooting yet.

Who gives a fuck about people knowing my name? But with my name is 100,000s of magazines every month for decades I would say more know my name than yours. In fact no one knows your name. Only your nick. Do you ever show your face in your films?

But who cares, it's about $$$$ not ego. Try being less arrogant.

Don't remember meeting you, must of been one of the numerous people I met who I never bothered to remember. I do remember seeing some really fat guy in a BVF T Shirt who looked like he had a few too many fried chicken dinners.

That sofa in the top picture features in a lot of your pictures, is it your home? Also a lot of the same location shots from what I assume is your home, on the site.

Those hundreds of thousands of magazines are now sitting in closets and in landfills...It means nothing as you didn't publish them...That's like the cameraman for the Leave It To Beaver show trying to yap to current cameramen who are currently in the trenches....I have hundreds of thousands of visitors to my site each month RIGHT NOW....And it doesn't have any magic join links or crappy porn that I'm trying to hock for 5 bucks a pop either.

Also, years ago when I saw you at the show, I didn't tell you who I was..I was new to the game and I didn't want to just yap to any tom, dick and harry about it...I didn't want you to know nor remember me so don't feel bad about not remembering...I just happened to see you on the floor and said hello to a dude who ALSO wasn't using his real name had the nickname of "charly" back then...So if there was a really fat guy wearing a BVF T Shirt walking around, then I must commend him because he must have been a big fan since I've NEVER even created a BVF T-shirt...Also, if you remember him, then indirectly, you remembered ME without me even having to be there.....Plus, I've been exercising for a couple of years so I'm rather sexy and muscular and healthy as a fucking horse these days :)

I don't need to show my face, as my dick is sufficient to make me some money.

I rarely make it to page 5 of a thread, but you really get to see who someone is deep down inside. Seems like the more pages a thread gets to the more respect is lost for the people still posting in it because it turns into some name calling match.

Yes the good days of porn are long gone. Now it's got loads of people boasting about the number of people talking about the visitors to it's site and comparing it better to the number of magazines SOLD. As for visitors, that counts for 0. It's about $$$$$

And today because of the Adult Internet's policy of giving things they try to sell, away for free. It's decimated. The Adult Internet has never made the money the other parts of the porn industry made and only fools itself it does.

Don't you realise that I'm not having a go at the current cameramen in the trenches. I'm having a go at SPONSORS paying them so little. Don't you think it ironic in a time of falling sales, because the product isn't worth buying, Fabian can think he's a great payer paying $666.66 for a set and video scene outright? Mutt said his price is $500 to supply the scene. The present shooters have to suck it up.

Of the magazines and video sides of porn. I'm the ONLY producer from the other sides of the business who has supplied his content direct to the Adult Internet and not only via a site. To my knowledge NO other freelance successful shooter has done the same. Maybe a few on a one off deal. The reason still is simple. Even in todays market the Internet doesn't pay enough. Still today the top guys will not work for what is paid here.

Do they not prize top content high enough or not able to pay well enough? I think for many they can't afford it. For the few who can afford it, content isn't a high priority. Much better to load a site with low quality, sell it to affiliates and get 1,000 hits on a sample and maybe 1 sale.

Manwin will pay me $3,000 and I will shoot the scene. Do I care if it's good enough? Not really ego isn't something that you or I can spend. $3,000 I can spend.

Do I care if everyone listens to my advice? No. Because years ago I said going down the road you were was destined to harm the business.

As for the "Charly" nick. Did I have the "Paul Markham T Shirt on? Never hid behind a nick or been to ashamed to show my face.

That's very much the nature of GFY and some boards. It gets to name calling and flaming without any real constructive debate, or Bro calling for little reason.

The Adult Internet is in decline, the balance has been tipped between free and paid. It's now better for so many to not pay than it is for a few to pay.

Throughout the 10 years I've been here the only numbers that people talked about was the number of site visits to sales. Very few would quote the number of consumers to the number of sales. That's the number of people looking at a TGP gallery or today the number of views on a tube video. They are all porn consumers. Sadly today 0.001% are buyers.

Yes if a Tube converts on visits at 1-1,000. How many views does it need to get 1,000 to click the banner? Go to Pornhub to see the real ratios. In the beginning no one could afford to give away that much free porn. Today they can, so they will. :upsidedow

In the times that people ridicule, men had to buy to jerk off to porn 99% of the time. Even pirated videos cost the price of the tape. Today it costs nothing to view porn 24 hours and never pay.

The only solution lies inside the paysites. Not in putting up more free porn.

For the flamers. Today I feel a lot better. Last night I was very sick and must of eaten something Sunday that really upset my stomach and given me a fever.

Well, *my* definition is "Marketing is creating a desire for a product or service". Wiki's is: "Marketing is the process of performing market research, selling products and/or services to customers and promoting them via advertising to further enhance sales."

So, you're fucking horribly wrong either way.

Still, for a man that lies every day on the internet I'm not surprised.

Liar.

So you think your Pornbeer videos are good marketing by selling yourself and your services. And will enhance your sales.

Isee it as ramblings of a drunk who thinks looking stupid is cool and who lives in a dump.

My mistake, sorry for that.

My job is "Photographer and Managing Director" from that I'm officially invalided. Which you flamed me for doing as I'm so rich. And then you flamed me for being broke. Which one is it?

Doing a few updates on the site isn't real work. Posting is a hobby. Retired officially isn't my title. Retired from real work is just a term for a person who does very little.

Eva is not sole owner and runner of the company. It takes her a few hours a week.

You keep saying that.

Do you really think that all the paysites in the world are going to suddenly stop giving away content?

Good. Maybe you will be able to send out the sets and to do site updates you were meant to do yesterday in your Pretend Retirement (tm).

Fabian, when you gonna pay him?

This porn needs to be seen!

Check out this example to whet your appetite

http://www.tubecat.com/euro-teens-cl...42_f93e_2.html

Ooh, so sexy.

This is how you show girls not faking it at all. They don't look uncomfortable in the least.

WELL DONE PAUL!

I vote you do a masterclass at XBiz London. (Or they can book you to do it and give you free tickets, you can then boast about getting free tickets, and then not bother doing the talk and then boast about that too, just like you did about AOE!).

I've just remembered my mistake. Michael Ancher is also supplying content to websites. Now if Twistys and Only Tease wanted to go real top end there's the guy they need. Been my hero for decades and love his work. Learned I was wasting my time trying to go into that market and could never compete with him.

Where did I say that Porn Beer was a marketing advertising exercise for my marketing services Paul?

That's pretty much what it is. It's content you see, for my site PornBeer which is an affiliate site. I get a few hundred bucks a month from that and it pays for some nights out. It's an unashamed rip off of diggnation and I do it with my oldest bestest friend for a laugh. That's all. It's not a showreel to pitch for the AD&D awards.

It's OK. You are old and easily confused. I understand why you thought that I was trying to advertise my marketing consultancy by sitting on a couch drinking beer talking shit with my pal.

It's such an easy mistake to make.

As far as I know, at least in the UK, the state frowns upon people lying to get money. If you are an invalid, you cannot then work.

You pretend to be retired, yet state you were doing site updates and sending out shit to 'clients' yesterday.

Which is it?

Are you retired, so rich in your palace you don't need to worry about anything, and just post here to annoy people because it amuses you?

Are you pretending to be ill to sponge money from the Prague government? Obviously still doing site updates and generating money from your members, but at the same time taking state handouts from as a foreigner?

Or are you not retired, desperate for money because you don't have any credit or bank cards and trying to sell old pictures you have admitted yourself are not good enough anymore for 60 bucks to pay some bills?

I imagine the government would take a different view.

In the UK there is a dedicated phone number you can call to grass people up that are benefit frauds. Is there similar in Prague?

It's not. Retired means you stop working. It's black and white.

Who said she was, love?

Bless you, getting all confused again.

Paul's mistake simply lies in the fact that he thinks the market is declining :)

But oh well..

Good back to the real debate.

No way. What they have to do is make joining more attractive than not joining. Offer something inside the site that can't be found for free, other than HD. Offer something that's different for the 100 or 1,000 other sites in their niche and style.

At the moment there are more reasons to not join a site than there are reasons to join a site. Proof is in the stats.
Didn't Eva do it?

Yes when is he?

Eva shot it. But the whole scene sold over 50 times and the set 40 times on the stores alone. So $3500. Then magazines sales probably made $4,000 to $5,000. Double it to $15,000, because we shot 2 scenes that day, and you can see why we never shot a lot of custom, not any other top shooter. And these sales don't include the paysite sales. But as it's only one scene of 600 not much to talk about.

It's not about "Bro" points, it's about $$$$$. Could I of shot something better than Eva? Yes she was too lax with the girls. And to be honest I was always telling her. But we made money that day and it illustrates my point about faking. Too much of it is happening and considering what we pay girls we should tell them flat to do it properly or cum for real with some noise or fuck off home.

But the industry continues to churn out the same average content in the belief if we get enough clicks it will sell.

I've done a few and sat on the panel of a few as well. The one you're talking about was moved back to Saturday and was after the show and the day I was flying home. All the others including ones at Telemedia I've made.

The problem of doing a master class is the first thing people have to learn is you can't shoot GOOD porn on a shoestring budget and if you could, YOU WON'T, because others will pay more. When you can shoot the level of Viv Thomas, Bill Wright, Jack Harrison, Steve Perry and more you go where the money is. Like me. Why didn't I shoot custom? The sponsors couldn't match what I earned elsewhere.

It's about $$$$$

Then don't spam it on a board where potential customers can see it.



My job is photographer and managing director. I'm physically unable to do them as I need to sleep during the day. I'm willing to give Fabian a shot at doing a video for him. Will be interesting to see what I can do.

The diagnosis is backed by my doctors. Not one I see many.

Sorry typed it wrong. Eva is NOW sole owner of the company. My mistake, keep flaming instead of debating the subject. That's will solve everything.

Manwin might be picking up, but the industry as a whole in in massive decline because of the practice of sites like Pornhub and Brazzers. Giving porn away in ever increasing amounts and producing average porn isn't a recipe for success.

I would love you to show how the industry isn't declining. You're clueless about what this industry used to make.

And where's the script and money? Need to get moving on this as I can only manage a few hours a day without a nap.

I like Porn Beer. old people that aren't in tune with mainstream culture or the younger generations probably didn't get it. you were trying to entertain and not just give out full length videos like everybody else. sure it was a bit dry in places - especially the jokes - but at least it was INNOVATIVE. who else is trying new things and attempting to innovate porn marketing? certainly not dinosaur Paul.
:2 cents:

No idea, you said you were doing it. But I find it hard to keep up with your lies.


Oh right. I've misunderstood all your posts all this time. I thought you considered yourself an artist. I thought you were all about making good porn people would want to see, not just making greenbacks.

I was labouring under the clearly wrong assumption that when you post telling people how to make good porn, that you actually made good porn.

I'd never seen one of your films before that pirated clip.

With the above quote about it being about the money and after having watched the content, I see crystal clear now.

Thanks for the clarification.

Interesting. So you lied about not being bothered to do it then. I see. Thanks for the clarification.

Fair point.

Paul, the industry is not declining, the industry might be moving away from magazines and DVDs, but it is far from declining...

Regarding the script and money.. slow down, you will get the script once we have chosen one, and you will get the money once we signed a contract...

Right. I will take lessons on how to deal with potential customers from the way you deal with Fabian offering your 3k and your hungry little hand going out for it. Thanks for the tips. Means a lot.

If you found PornBeer funny, I think I'd give up doing it. There are target markets you see, and Pseudo-Retired Internet Liar isn't high up the demog I was going after.

Right, so you lied about being retired then. Cool.

So the docs in Prague give you a sick note saying "Paul Markham is not allowed to work due to ill health, please give him state handouts. Oh yes, we know he makes 20k* a month from his great teen website, plus whatever from the content store, but that's cool. Give him a bit more cash, he's a nice guy".

Brilliant! No wonder you moved there. Nothing to do with the reason everyone thinks.


What do you think flame means Paul? You continually misuse the word.


Epoch and CCBill disagree with you Paul. Are you calling them liars, or are you horribly and embarrassingly out of touch?

Please do. Epoch and CCBill say the opposite.




*Paul actually claimed this on another board. It amused me.

let me catch up here. .. .
Fabian (nathan) has offered markham the chance to shoot for brazzers? or have i misunderstood ?

Prove the industry isn't declining. I know that the magazines industry and DVD industry has declined. The picture we all get of the Adult Internet is more and more people make less and less money. More people are leaving or looking for a new income to supplement their porn income. Ratios have been getting worse ever since the beginning of the Internet and only thing keeping sales going was the increase in traffic.

Today the increase in traffic from core countries has leveled off and does not make up for the increase in traffic to free sites. Everyone who has posted about ratios has posted they a now far worse than they use to and actually getting traffic for many is harder.

I have yet to see any proof from you, just words.

In truth no one really knows and I doubt if CCBILL or Epoch would tell someone like Damian or even you.

How about we try a poll on a few boards asking people to vote for their best year in porn? And whether their income is in the decline, ascend or level. But then we would have to know what it was in the first place.

Thanks for explaining about the shoot. Can you explain it to BVF. He seems to think I should be shooting it.

It was shot in his home and clearly showed he didn't earn a lot of money. Acting drunk would of been funny, being drunk isn't. It clearly shows that as a marketing man he's a failure, doesn't make a lot of money doing it and can't market himself very well.

After I pointed out that shooting it in his home he changed locations. That shows he hadn't thought of the consequences of innovating this much. Now shooting in the pub.

He was trying to be funny and the jokes as you point out weren't. He thinks it was funny, you think the jokes were a bit dry, dry humor or dry spots?

His job here is too market himself to the industry and not surfers. So as the 2 are separate audiences they should be kept separate. And not shown to potential industry clients.

As for marketing, I'm not a marketing man. As for innovating in the content market did that very well over the last 30 years. As shown on my site and by my longevity.

I would have thought the billing companies would know? No?

Why wouldn't they tell me? Do you want Harmik's number? You can ask him yourself. I am sure, although I know him, he would tell you the same thing.

As I said, if you liked it, I would quit doing it. It's cool you thought I was really drunk though. I guess my degree in drama wasn't wasted.

Everyone should listen to your advice. I've had 12 more views since moving location from that tawdry, disgusting flat I used to live in. Thanks!

It's SO fucking sweet you don't think there are surfers here. And even sweeter you don't think it's a good idea to try something different. And even sweeter still you think that amusing ones peers is a bad idea.

It's astounding that along with not understanding the very definition of the word marketing, you are so clueless that you think posting content here aimed at surfers is a bad idea.

Either that or you're just trollin!

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Clearly. You are a lying man. It's nice you come clean now though.


Anyone got any idea where I can get 20 HD videos for 150 bucks. I've seen some from Markham, but I want videos where the girls aren't really obviously faking it and the shooter isn't just in it for the money. Thanks.

Oh no, that's it. Fabian is going to send Paul a script for a shoot, then offer to pay him, then Paul will bottle it like a coward and admit he was lying just to get some people to click on his sig to buy his old self admitted no good content for 30 quid.

Still, 3k views.

The old fool knows how to wind up gfy, and that's a fact.

So if understand correctly...

Nathan is paying for it and writing the script

Paul is shooting it

Damian will Market it.

They will all get drunk at the end of shoot party and kiss and make up....

Not at all.

Paul is pretending to be retired, whilst trolling GFY to get sig views in order to sell the old content that he said, and I quote, "isn't good enough anymore" and thought if he pretended he would shoot for Fabien it would develop into a 5 page thread with 3k plus views and some poor newb might click his sig and buy his 19 HD vids for 150 bucks.

Makes out like he is an idiot, but is actually a marketing genius.

He has no intention of actually doing it, he hates Fabien and all he stands for. He hates his organisation. It would be hilarious to think of him shooting for Fabian. Anyone that reads GFY knows that.

So, he pretends he will, gets all the views, then will say "LOL NOT REALLY HAHAHA".

It's very good trolling. We can all learn something.

markham, you trolling or you gonna shoot the script?

To the best of my limited capabilities. :1orglaugh

As no one has replied to my challenge re the size of the industry, here's a clue.

A little while back, someone bought Manwin for $110,000,000

Do you think Paul Raymond Publications, LFP, Goldstar, Swank, Crescent, Score, David Sullivan's porn company, Northern & Shell, Private, Penthouse, Playboy, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel and more would of sold for that figure?

And please no flame about times gone by. They were doing fine until the Internet decided it was better to give it away for free. The Adult Internet will NEVER make up for the hole it created.

Now think back to what Lensman sold his porn empire for. Nice for him. But this was in the good old days and it sold in business terms for very little. Even in the porn world.

Overall the industry is shrinking, even on the Internet regarding paysites it's shrinking. Whether that shrinkage will be taken up by dating and cams is anyones guess.

That mean you're gonna do it or were you reffering to trollin?
I think you should do it markham!

also, just a thought.... maybe the girls can be eve laurence and amy reid, or even nessa devil and i can be the male star? just a thought!