And what happened at the start of those 30 yrs? Reagan ! He killed the unions and thoroughly fucked the middle class. What the made the man great, he has the same people he fucked in the ass still asking for more. lol
Oh for the whole liberal media bullshit :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_825773.html
WASHINGTON -- Though thousands of Americans have turned out this week to show solidarity with Wisconsin's public employees and oppose a threat to their collective bargaining rights, union officials say they have not been able to place a labor voice on this Sunday's editions of the weekly public-affairs TV shows. The shows' producers, they complain, are shutting out the workers' perspective.

A union official told The Huffington Post that when none of the Sunday shows' producers reached out to them to book a labor representative this week, several unions started to pitch the shows with affected workers and local and national leaders who they felt could discuss the protests. The official said the response from the shows was essentially "thanks, but no thanks."

I don't bother watching the news anymore since it's truly what view they want for you to see be it left or right. However, those tea party folks are bat shit crazy but then again they painted themselves that way...Unfortunately, I know a couple of teabaggers. As far as comparing the tea party coverage versus the Wisconsin coverage makes no sense...it's apples and crazy ass oranges.

Idiot, we all know if you earn an income you pay taxes... That's the point, ass stain... they aren't earning a taxable income, they aren't paying themselves through payroll, they aren't some piss ass minded business person like yourself that thinks a person buying beer on a corp card is getting an incentive.

Oh please, % means nothing. It's a governmental scam to get the rabble (you) on board with taking more because people have it.
I pay more in taxes per year than you earn in 10.
We get the exact same benefits but I pay more for it because you can't afford to.

So yes, the rich support a lifestyle you can't afford for yourself

Sorry, Illegals send what money they make via western union to Mexico, they pay what taxes they do to social security numbers they stole and they are a burden on the economy in welfare and school lunches and breakfasts. Less than 2% of them are picking vegetables, more are having anchor babies.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each
year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77


2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food
stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education
for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

And the idiot train runs off the tracks:1orglaugh

Tell me, idiot, how is the money transferred from the Corp. To the evil elite owner?

If you pay more taxes yearly, than he does in 10 years, then you've got no clue how to run a business. Straight up, if you're as wealthy as you pretend to be, you should be paying far less in taxes than he is..... actually, it makes you look pretty stupid admitting that.

I'll let you get back to pretending you have a lifestyle above any working joe.

You keep knocking Reagan, but I got my first union job in LA in Construction because of the boom in construction due to Reaganomics.
And I know you hate him, but he was so loved that his Vice president and his Vice presidents son got elected to the oval office.

yuo should start the church of reagan.

Yeah, I'm the dumb one.
Shout that next time, eh sparky? It's hard to hear you down there from the bottom rung


No answer on how the evil elite get their money out of the Corp, eh?
:1orglaugh

This a joke of a question or what?

Even at our piss levels, we can do this, legally... My partner owns the majority of an Intentional company, any income earned doesn't have to be reported to the IRS, legally. When I want to go on a personal vacation, I don't pay myself then pay taxes, then go pay for the vacation, which is then taxed again through sales tax... that's nuts!

You can't pay for a personal vacation through your U.S. Corp or if you owned the International corp. You'll get hammered if you do.

Short of it, I just earned an income without paying taxes.


Now... if I can do this, just think what the Elite class does, even more so when they're using YOUR tax dollars to do it. They don't even try to step around the system, they just use our money, which isn't taxable.

You owe me $500 for the 10 minutes of education I just gave you... I can't believe you don't understand how business works yet you pretend to be at the top of anything... hahaha.

Better yet make a dildo with Reagan's wrinkled face on it and whoever are his biggest fans can just shove Reagan's mug deep where the sun don't shine and reminisce of them good ole Reagan days. :)

http://www.forttumbleweed.net/reaganbaptist.html

yuo should come up with something else

Hey 12clicks, I thought of another...

Elite agrees to move corps to state, state gives corp tax breaks, state gives corp money to build something with, company earns profits, doesn't give tax dollars back and isn't paying hardly any taxes. Elite sets up company in CR, Elite rolls profits over from said Corp to off shore corp.

Off shore corp happens to buy a 20 million dollar house with rolled money, which it leases once a year to a celeb to make it run like a business. Now the Elite has a super house to stay in, tax free, paid for off the backbone of our tax dollars.... but being that it moved all it's money over, it's now bankrupt and needs more tax dollars to keep going.


So in the end, the elite earned 20 million on top of everything else, clean and clear, and got to come back, lay off some staff, reduce costs and got more tax dollars to keep going in the State, -BECAUSE- the state is heavily invested in them and can't afford the loss.

Like I said... nobody here, is playing at this level, even if we try to, we aren't. THEY make you think you're wealthy, THEY make you think your taxes pay the poor - SO THEY don't have to pay shit!

As long as you think the way you do - they will continue to suck us dry and get away with paying nothing.

Uh, if your partner is a us citizen, he'll go to jail if he gets audited. And you need to re-read your idiot post. You only managed to explain how you didn't spend money

Hahahaha.
It's funny watching pretenders.

Clearly he's not a U.S. Citizen... or it wouldn't work.

And no shit? I said "Even at our piss levels" then gave an example, followed up with... now think of what the Elites do.

Maybe you should try reading it in the first place?

I'm watching a pretender right now and laughing my ass off.

god you are such a fucking idiot..

a corporation can own all types of assets, planes, homes, boats, autos..

do you know that most people that own large boats, even a small as 40-50ft often put those in a corporation and run the boat as a charter even if they do no advertising etc and write the whole business off as a loss every year...

i know you think you are so smart, but this thread shows how little you actually know and from the sound of it, you probably do your own taxes with quickbooks because if you had a decent accountant you would know a lot of this already..

also, dumbass, people dont go to jail when they get audited... they get fined that can usually be negotiated down and a lot of times it ends up being less then what the original tax burden would have been...

where did you get your education? oh, thats right, you have no education, you were a roofer... :1orglaugh

keep embarrassing yourself troll... i need some jokes to tell the boys at my day job... :thumbsup








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So it wasn't only me then.... he really doesn't get the basics of business 101 does he? Let alone a business that actually produces, real money.....

If the Mayans were right, there are 666 days left till the end of the world.

It's worth it to not have to hear the dribble from 12clicks cock holster anymore.

oh look! the idiots now have a quorum.:1orglaugh
let me teach you bottom rungers that which you pretend to know.
of course a corp can own offshore property. however, thats not what your idiot partner "thedoc" is talking about. he's talking about some scary elite people who get their money tax free through corporations. That doesn't happen. its a delusion the bottom rungers run with.
also, what the corp owns is not owned by the scary elite US citizen without being taxed.
thedoc is deluded and you raced home from your day job just to post some idiocy about a corp owning property like you're some sort of msrketsmart:1orglaugh
oh, and one more thing, dear shitstain, you get fined for avoiding taxes, you go to jail for evading taxes. (think wesley snipes, moron)

so, thedoc, just who are these scary corps funneling assets to the secret elite?
GM? microsoft?:1orglaugh

god, its no wonder one of you washed out of adult long ago and the other is hanging on by the skin of his teeth.:1orglaugh

I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...f_trouble.html

not very much coverage on this.

Of course your pathetic ass would ignore the real issues in this country, well actually you're not educated enough to even know how to find them, let alone understand what you're looking at... and those problems don't blame poor people, our president, and anything that isn't on fox news.

It's not evading taxes either moron, it's legal.... but great job show your lack of business knowledge even more.

This is great, the more you open your mouth, the more you scream that you're a nobody, not that anyone ever thought you were someone.

And gm, ms, see... stain, you're so clueless - I'm done trying to educate your dumb ass, it's impossible...


I'm washed out of adult, hahahaha - coming from you, that is so comical. :helpme

This thread was never intended to be about peoples views relative to each group,(or the situation in Wisconson), but to contrast coverage of EXACTLY THE SAME ACTIVITY on both sides, and how it has been TOTALLY ignored by the mainstream media.... If you don't think that is a bad thing, then you are simply a political hack IMHO.

Even the Wall Street Journal (certainly not a right wing publication), has picked up on this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775704576162502077564930.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_RIGHTBelowPepperandSalt#articleTabs %3Darticle



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ah yes.
a fucking worker bee educating me.:1orglaugh
please child, run your bullshit past one of your boss' accountants. (its obvious you don't have one)
The problem with this country is trash like you thinking you're owed something more from your betters than you already get.:thumbsup

tea party is funded by bayer, BP, and the koch brothers

just noise, and ugly noise at that

tea party is funded by bayer, BP, the koch brothers, and 50 other laughable donators

just noise, and ugly noise at that

Wsj not a right wing publication? please stop your embrassing yourself lol

And how did the Koch bros make their money?... GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS!

You know, keep the government out of our business, right?

And who do they petition to get eminent domain rights to lay their natural gas lines?... Right again! The horrible dreaded fucking government!

Just wake up America! The corporations and bankers are taking all of your fucking money! They are polluting your water and air - they are shipping out your jobs - they are killing your American Dream!

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

When the rich steal your money, and the lower and middle classes get shut out, THEN you get revolution!

This is not a dig at ANY of the people on this board, because even if you THINK you are rich, you are nowhere NEAR rich enough to effect the geo-political shift in the world's economy's.

You guys think I am anti-capitalism, but I am not - I am however, pro-fairness, and anti-corruption.

Yep people should Listen to when the gov thought he was talking to koch. Its fucking scary and Pretty much ignored by the so called liberal media lol

That article, points out exactly what I'm talking about.... this isn't left, right, dem's or rep's, some unions donate right others left, the people go all directions, practice various faiths, they aren't 'one sided on political opinion.'

From the article: "the liberal demonstrations in Wisconsin"

This isn't a liberal demonstration at any point, level, ideal, factor of anything. These people, are losing what they have, right now, they are left they are right, they are everything in between. So as we bicker over this, they actually lost something that generations of families, Americans, have fought for.

Without question, the state has a budget issue.... and cutting corporate taxes the way he did, increased the project shortfall. He did not tackle the actual issues, at any point, factor or degree. Forcing people to cover more of the pension with our tax dollars, is not a fix. Cutting people's wages, doesn't solve the future problem. Other States without Collective Bargaining do not do as well in School/education and in some cases Protection and the those States have budget issues as well - so it's not a factor other than corporate interest.

The State can solve the issue by restructuring how the system works, for everyone new coming in. Then they should lead by example, and give up the same thing they're asking the people to give up. All Fed/State workers should take a pay cut - all of them! Then start paying more of the pension/401k's, ect themselves, and all be willing to give up medical benefits and all without question give up the huge percentage of life long earnings they get to keep....

If they're so willing to do it to the people, then they should be willing to give up an equal cut. But that isn't happening.

The media, while you guys love to paint them left/liberal, is so far from that it's not even funny. From the left perspective, every news source is very right, and fox is the leader. MSNBC is't liberal, to liberals.... they just try to put a slant on it, and have no idea wtf liberals want/are/think.

That being said... the wsj, fox, msbnc, or anyone not covering what is actually going on, what is actually being said (like in the punked audio), and even the idea that they focus on the stupid political signs... This is the proof you need to see the truth, they're all on the same side, they aren't even left or right, shit the owner of Fox isn't even American.

Their is so much information about what's really going on here - truly, get away from any media and listen to them, read the bill, read the bill.... read it. This is the ultimate take over and Wisconsin is ground zero!

Stop trying to twist this left/right - it's not... Bring your tea party buddies, the fight is on, NOW!

don't forget tho, those koch boys are 'phillannnntttrooopists'

they donated the stadium, dontcha know

after, of course, being unable to secure public funds to build it

When corporations are allowed to fund political campaigns, with virtual anonymity, no rules, and no ceilings, then THE PEOPLE NO LONGER RUN THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!

Who doesn't understand this?!

It used to be, a politician would give a shit what the regular people wanted. Now however, your $25 donation to someone's campaign means NOTHING!

The politicians get MILLIONS from corporate donors now, even if they AREN'T EVEN FROM OUR COUNTRY!

You think your tiny little $25 means ANYTHING to them now?!

If things do not change soon, America is doomed!

Do you like selling smut on the open and free internet? Corporate lobbyists are doing everything they can do right now, to KILL Net Neutrality... and they are winning!

Amen brother

when leftists wanted to pretend corporations were something to be taxed, did you really think they wouldn't be allowed to be heard?:1orglaugh

The largest corporations are all multi-nationals now.

They play an international shell game, and they don't pay nearly the taxes they owe... if any at all!

Besides, you're a brainwashed ass. Just face it. Look into the mirror, and be honest with yourself.

Just be honest with yourself, and repeat after me... "I am 12 Dicks, and I am an ass. I think I am rich, but I am a peon. I am nobody."

and repeat...