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Robbie

03-19-2011 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17991373)

And just what was the alternative?

"We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will." ... Neville Chamberlain
FAIL

Yeah, that involved Germany actually invading and conquering half of Europe when Chamerlain tried his infamous "appeasement" fail policy.

Libya hasn't invaded any of our allies or threatened us or attacked us in any way. We are simply sticking our nose in a sovereign nations inner turmoil in hopes of getting a good deal on the oil when "our side" wins.

EDIT: And don't forget...911 was courtesy of the "rebels" in Afghanistan that we were supplying with weapons because they were fighting the Soviet Union's invasion of their country in the 1980's. And Sadaam Hussein was our boy for a couple of decades as well and his military was built up by us.

These Muslim's play us like a fiddle. Won't surprise me one bit to see Muslim extremist theocrats in charge of Libya thanks to us.

INever

03-19-2011 08:03 PM

The religious right never seems to quote "Thou Shalt Not Kill" - GOD.

Unless they're outside an abortion clinic.

DateDoc

03-19-2011 08:07 PM

Even if those revolting end up winning with UN help they will still find a way to blame the West for something. Personally, I say let them go at it. It is their fight not ours.

camperjohn64

03-19-2011 08:10 PM

How would you feel if someone was beating the shit out of you and you asked for help from a stranger only to have him say "it's none of my business" and kept walking?

I am skinny and a lousy fighter but I would totally jump in.

Now, what if your sister / mother / someone close was getting the shit beat out of them, and she asked for help and nobody helped her - would you be upset at the cowards that just watched?

We give ourselves the right to interfere - nobody has to give us permission. We don't have to ask our mommies if it's ok.

Robbie

03-19-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camperjohn64 (Post 17991499)

We give ourselves the right to interfere - nobody has to give us permission. We don't have to ask our mommies if it's ok.

So if another country decides to invade us to "help" some militia group that our govt. decides to take out...then it's all good?

Yeah, that's an extreme example. But dude...you sound like Hitler's Germany. Just invade countries because we want to? Give ourselves the "right"?

I don't think that's what our country is supposed to be about. And I personally don't see why I should pay with my tax dollars (and in Iraq with our soldiers lives) for this kind of expansionism.

It's not our country and it's not our place to sit in judgement and decide who is "right" and "wrong" and start bombing them to turn the tide.
That's just my opinion.

But make no mistake...it is against every international law and I believe our very own constitution to do what we've been doing the last ten years. But of course...our govt. has been taking away all of OUR rights too. Doesn't seem like anything can or will stop them currently.

PStarks

03-19-2011 08:23 PM

Just another thing the US will have to borrow from china to pay for :(

theking

03-19-2011 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991489)

Sadaam Hussein's military was not built up by the U.S. His military was primarily supplied by the Russian's...with some assistance from Germany and France...and trained by the Russian's.

camperjohn64

03-19-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991507)

...

But make no mistake...it is against every international law and I believe our very own constitution to do what we've been doing the last ten years. But of course...our govt. has been taking away all of OUR rights too. Doesn't seem like anything can or will stop them currently.

So what you're saying, is that if we, as a people thought it was best to replace our govm't but they locked us up as political prisoners, and/or shot us all, you would be ok with another country moving in and rescuing us?

Love you. :-)

nico-t

03-19-2011 09:12 PM

nico-t

03-19-2011 09:16 PM

it's a business, anyone who is trying to bring their little brainwashed ideas and agendas into this, please shut up. Power, which is in turn money, is the keyword for politics. EVERY political decision is being made on this basis. If you even believe in sides like 'democrats', 'republicans', you are a brainwashed little cockroach.

Brujah

03-19-2011 09:33 PM

Darfur and Congo, Bahrain and Yemen. You're next! We're saving the world's peoples!

Barry-xlovecam

03-19-2011 10:52 PM

I think a lot depends on these "rebels" true intentions. If they are pro democratic and secular ? then we do the right thing. If not, their ass will be grass soon enough I suppose. Remember, had the French and Admiral Lafayette not come to the assistance of the Continental Army during the American Revolution things may not have ended as they did back then.

However, Qaddafi's regime has been trouble for years ? their complicity in the Lockerbie bombing was an attack on a USA aircraft over British territory. Some 270 dead.

Quote:

[O]n 22 February 2011 during the Libyan protests, the ex Minister of Justice Mustafa Mohamed Abud Al Jeleil stated in an interview with the Swedish newspaper Expressen that Muammar al-Gaddafi had personally ordered the bombing. ...

You reap what you sow they say.
Paybacks are a bitch I say ...

just a punk

03-19-2011 11:10 PM

Absolutely not! This is just another war for oil.

Thanks god my country still have a lot of nukes, to protect itself :2 cents:

Robbie

03-20-2011 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camperjohn64 (Post 17991555)

I'm not sure you understood what I was saying at all. :)

I'm saying..."See, it's wrong"

Not: "Hey it would be great if another country invaded us to 'help' a militia trying to overthrow the govt."

We shouldn't be fucking with other countries internal affairs. I don't want to pay for it with my taxes, I don't want our kids killed fighting countries that did not attack us, and I don't want our country killing people.

Again, that's just my personal stand on it.

DWB	03-20-2011 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17991338)

History is not going to look back too fondly on our generation either. Not because of our action, but because of our inaction. We pay an unproportionate amount of attention to the Middle East; The Middle East can become a glass parking lot over night and the US will still get it's oil form the same place it does now - Canada and Mexico. Yet at the same time we pay no attention to Africa. The entire continent is dieing, decades of civil war, AIDS, starvation, and a huge lack of government control, and our entire generation didn't give a fucking shit about it.

:2 cents:

INever

03-20-2011 02:11 AM

The world is (still) on the verge of losing one of its major cities and all the sick fucks who run this world can think of is starting another war.

Vendot

03-20-2011 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17991220)

i call em like i see em. i found it uncool to start lobbing crack/meth addict insults do to a misinterpretation of the comment. thus my *west* comment earlier.

Ouch, I guess I pick em up off GFY. In that case, I apologise to Selena.....
On reflection it was totally out of order what I said.

The reason Im so fiercely pissed off right now is that theres zero debate, no chance of a war one week ago and now suddenly we're at war. Why the fuck are we once again meddling in arab affairs?

We we're fine with Mubarak in Egypt for long enough. And even Gaddafi and now Obama/Cameron are using stupid justifications like Gaddafi's threats to Benghazi rebels....

cykoe6

03-20-2011 03:31 AM

No bloooooodddd for ooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll! !!!!! Indict the war criminal Obamahitler now!!!!

Kolargol

03-20-2011 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17990993)

Fuck me......... why cant they keep their fucking faces out of other peoples business?

Maybe they should have kept their fucking faces out of your business in 1940s.

Barry-xlovecam

03-20-2011 06:21 AM

I find the current "crisis" in Bahrain more worrisome.
Libya is a sideshow and Qaddafi is an assclown.

As far as those insisting that this is all about oil — the same ones said that the War in Iraq was all about oil. To this day Iraqi oil production has not increased much nor has oil's price fallen on the world markets as a benefit of these wars, incursions, meddling in internal affairs or whatever the mantra be.

Use of petrochemical fuel has little future now. The predictions of gasoline at today's prices was made years ago with the current high costs leading to the development of alternative forms of transportation not reliant on petrochemical fuel. So, unless OPEC floods the market with cheap oil fast, OPEC's own greed will be their own demise.

This recession that we are in was triggered by excessive energy prices at its core. Combined with the "financial crisis" scam as the reason waived before the public for the looting of the peoples assets and livelihoods. So, who is screwing who? Most of us are on the receiving end as usual. Those of us who maintain that we are the higher part of the food chain feel the pain of the others worse off in the form of sluggish business growth, lost sales and the resulting revenue loss.

I would rather pay "too much" for alternative fuels to domestic suppliers than pay the "oil tax" to OPEC and the like. Perhaps a lousy trade off but in the long run this will allow developed countries to regulate fuel costs with the political and economic consequences in consideration.

RummyBoy

03-20-2011 07:49 AM

Sad thing is, like with Iraq, I bet you anything within weeks global support for this intervention or war will basically fall apart and then theyll be stuck in another mess.

PornoMonster

03-20-2011 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17991771)

This went from a No Fly Zone to a No War Zone.

CNN's Arwa Damon reports fighter jets struck a Libyan army convoy as it tried to advance on Benghazi
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...pt=T1&iref=BN1

irwin99

03-20-2011 08:01 AM

Seriously, nobody could argue that if every Arab died tomorrow the world wouldn't be a better place. We need to ethnic cleanse that whole part of the world off the planet and start over.

brassmonkey

03-20-2011 08:13 AM

the no fly zones will be the base for the rebels.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 17992031)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

AtlantisCash

03-20-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 17991146)

Oil... Don't like it, then force your government to get off their fucking asses and seriously develop other sources of energy.. Until that happens all us western nations are going to remain involved over there.

if they didn't kill Tesla, we would have that alternative actually.

wee don't need oil for only to use it as an energy, we can find alternative sources, something can compete with plastic substances is what we have to do.

selena

03-20-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17991771)

I apologise to Selena.....

It's all good. :)

v4 media

03-20-2011 09:07 AM

What happens when the Syrians start firing on their people, or the Saudis or the Iranians.. It's about to kick off.

Barry-xlovecam

03-20-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992084)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

Defectors from Qaddafi's Air Force?

Agent 488

03-20-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992084)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

why would you think it's a rebel flying it? it's obviously western fighters.

Agent 488

03-20-2011 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992084)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/af.../libya.planes/

Wide array of U.S. warplanes used in Libya attacks

Lilit

03-20-2011 09:15 AM

Like many people have said in this thread, it's business... And in each deal there are 2+ parties involved, and often they aim at totally opposite goals. If you take the position of one party, you'll find their reasoning right, if you take the position of another party your view of right and wrong can get absolutely different.

Each conflict like that is business, not involved in the conflict countries can nominally be trying to stop it but in reality make bank selling weapons. Speaking about moral - yes, that's wrong, but if the money helps the economy then it seems ok.

Another point - you never know the truth! Mass media has been the main political weapon for a long time now.

I've seen a few interviews related to the conflict, including the recent one with Saif Gaddafi, and he did bring up some interesting facts that partly justified the regime in my eyes.

But still I can't take this or that position in Libyan case because there are too many "buts".

What I know for sure though - politics overall is dirty shit. Can't blame them for that though, it's the result of our world structure and geopolitics, so they have to play the "game".

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17992174)

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/af.../libya.planes/

Wide array of U.S. warplanes used in Libya attacks

those are not rebel airplanes, those are coalition forces.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17992170)

why would you think it's a rebel flying it? it's obviously western fighters.

wrong. western fighters hadn't entered libyan airspace on friday.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:19 AM

rebel jet crashes to ground

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-flames.html

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:20 AM

he plane is believed to have been a MiG fighter whose pilot had defected with his aircraft to join the rebels. Libya had been a large-scale buyer of the Soviet jets and, though many are unserviceable, several have been used during the conflict. Libya’s air force has two types of MiG – the MiG 23 and the MiG 21.

Agent 488

03-20-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992181)

wrong. western fighters hadn't entered libyan airspace on friday.

wtf are you talking about the timestamp of the story is today the 20th.

you even listen to the report? civilians are thanking the west for stopping the libyan forces with air attacks on a military base.

stop arguing and pushing your viewpoint and be aware and read correctly. you never do.

brassmonkey

03-20-2011 09:27 AM

im grilling some burgers and watching college hoops. have fun. :)

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17992190)

assvent 488, shut the fuck up. i asked a fucking legitimate question, not pushing a viewpoint you myopic dimwit. it's not my fault you can't understand something so simple as "where do the REBELS get their jets from?

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:31 AM

assvent 488, you dumb fucking cunt

A rebel-operated jet fighter has crashed in Benghazi - as Libyan forces intend to deploy 'human shields' to thwart a UN-backed bombing campaign.

FP said rebel forces confirmed that a former Libyan air force jet crashed as it sought to attack loyalist troops on the outskirts of the rebel-held city in eastern Libya.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110319/...s-3fd0ae9.html

Agent 488

03-20-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992199)

the jets in that story were western forces. not my fault you can't read and get confused easily.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:34 AM

more for assvent 488 fucking dipshit/

Rebel MiG-23's Sink Gaddafi Ships Off Libyan Coast
http://dailybail.com/home/rebel-mig-...yan-coast.html

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17992206)

the jets in that story were western forces. not my fault you can't read and get confused easily.

assvent 488 you fucking retard. i asked the question "where do the libyan rebels get their planes?" and your dimwit dumbass replied "the west" and you say i get confused.

dipshit

There are reports coming out of Libya this afternoon that Libyan rebels have been using their own MiG-23's, sinking two of Gaddafi's ships and damaging a third.
]

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:41 AM

The rebellion has started to fly fighter jets of its own, and that they helped drive Qaddafi’s jets away from Ajdabiya today.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:47 AM

at least two Mirage F-1s defected to Malta (one of the pilots is rumored to be a Libyan colonel), plus another 3-4 pilots switched sides as well. That’s about 4-6 pilots which form the “Free Libyan Air Force’’.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 09:52 AM

Two Libyan Air Force fighter pilots defected on Monday and flew their jets to Malta where they told authorities they had been ordered to bomb protesters, Maltese government officials said.

The Demon

03-20-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 17991561)

The irony of calling idea A "brainwashing" while introducing brainwashing idea B.

davecummings

03-20-2011 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991106)

We must help the Libyan people (the same people who were just cheering for their "hero" who blew up the commercial plane over Lockerbie Scotland)

Bottom line...when the smoke clears and the new govt. is in place...they will end up being crazy Muslim theocrats who hate our guts

I heard someone say that just like the Iran/Iraq war of many years ago killed off a lot of folks, some of whom might have later otherwise turned into jihadists against the western world, maybe it's best to let Middle East rebels and their governments battle each other extensively and let them also kill off some of potential future religious terrorists amongst themselves.

davecummings

03-20-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17991912)

I find the current "crisis" in Bahrain more worrisome.
Libya is a sideshow and Qaddafi is an assclown.

As far as those insisting that this is all about oil ? the same ones said that the War in Iraq was all about oil. To this day Iraqi oil production has not increased much nor has oil's price fallen on the world markets as a benefit of these wars, incursions, meddling in internal affairs or whatever the mantra be.

Use of petrochemical fuel has little future now. The predictions of gasoline at today's prices was made years ago with the current high costs leading to the development of alternative forms of transportation not reliant on petrochemical fuel. So, unless OPEC floods the market with cheap oil fast, OPEC's own greed will be their own demise.

This recession that we are in was triggered by excessive energy prices at its core. Combined with the "financial crisis" scam as the reason waived before the public for the looting of the peoples assets and livelihoods. So, who is screwing who? Most of us are on the receiving end as usual. Those of us who maintain that we are the higher part of the food chain feel the pain of the others worse off in the form of sluggish business growth, lost sales and the resulting revenue loss.

I would rather pay "too much" for alternative fuels to domestic suppliers than pay the "oil tax" to OPEC and the like. Perhaps a lousy trade off but in the long run this will allow developed countries to regulate fuel costs with the political and economic consequences in consideration.

In spite of those who repeat and repeat and repeat that America's after the oil in those other countries, I think that America doesn't want to steal/take-over any country's oil, but rather just wants to help the situation as a means of keeping that country's oil flowing.

Has anyone got any actual proof that America has stolen oil production from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, or anyplace else?

Robbie

03-20-2011 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings (Post 17992295)

Exactly. It's American oil companies living there and getting the oil to begin with. No way in hell the U.S. govt. wants to actually TAKE the oil and make it cheap. lol

Our oil companies WANT it to be expensive. And they also want to make sure that they can keep it flowing...as do the Arab countries. Everybody gets rich...except us and the goat herders on the ground in the Mid East

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