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DWB	03-19-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991172)

We didn't "intervene" We waited a few YEARS until Japan attacked us. Then we DECLARED WAR via the Congress on the Axis Powers.

The shit we're pulling the last decade is stuff that we never did before. I feel like history ain't gonna look that kindly in a couple of centuries at the only country to drop Atom bombs on civilian cities killing hundreds of thousand of women and children and the country that now occupies over 80 countries around the world with our military.

I was raised to believe we were a "shining beacon of hope" to the rest of the world.
Now I find myself living in a police state, being searched at airports, the govt. taking over everything, people wanting to build our own version of the Berlin Wall on the Mexican border, and our military attacking countries that didn't attack us or our allies and no declaration of war by Congress.

Just don't feel "American" to me...at least not the way I was brought up to believe (which may have all been lies to indoctrinate us as kids)

Excellent post Robbie. :2 cents:

IllTestYourGirls

03-19-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17990995)

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You have the wrong flag.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/rade0117/arc...re/un-flag.jpg

Rochard

03-19-2011 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991172)

I feel like history ain't gonna look that kindly in a couple of centuries at the only country to drop Atom bombs on civilian cities killing hundreds of thousand of women and children and the country that now occupies over 80 countries around the world with our military.

History is not going to look back fondly on the 1940s - World War II. This was a bad time for the entire world, very violent, with twenty million people dead; The value of a life wasn't much. In the case of the United States, we were attacked, and we fought back. We have this image that we are horrible for dropping the A Bomb, but the truth is carpet bombing in some cases did more damage.

History is not going to look back too fondly on our generation either. Not because of our action, but because of our inaction. We pay an unproportionate amount of attention to the Middle East; The Middle East can become a glass parking lot over night and the US will still get it's oil form the same place it does now - Canada and Mexico. Yet at the same time we pay no attention to Africa. The entire continent is dieing, decades of civil war, AIDS, starvation, and a huge lack of government control, and our entire generation didn't give a fucking shit about it.

The Demon

03-19-2011 05:54 PM

Vendot, you're a fucking moron. Do the world a favor and stop making political threads.

The Demon

03-19-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by selena (Post 17991030)

Yep, that is me. American and thick.

But at least if I disagree with my countries policies I will start a thread about that, and comment as to why, instead of starting a thread bashing a country participating in the exact same military action as mine.

That's just how us illiterate, overweight, ignorant, world police hicks roll.

Wow... Owned.

The Demon

03-19-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 17991250)

Of course it's not justified. It is actually "illegal" under the United Nation's own charter. The ONLY reason for evoking CHAPTER VII articles, or engaging in an attack on a "UN member state" is for the restoration of international peace and security. Clearly in the case of Libya, the events there thus so far have at no time been a "threat to international peace or security."

This is all about the CIA/MI6 "destabilization program,? read: Color Revolution (to smash another sovereign state into pieces) not going as planned. Now the only remedy is an illegal (and precedent setting) military intervention.

I always like it when retards on a porn forum throw out baseless conspiracy theories.

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I'm not sure I agree. Aside from some diehard liberals and philosophy majors, current history looks favorably on the US during WWII.

Barry-xlovecam

03-19-2011 06:08 PM

And just what was the alternative?

"We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will." ... Neville Chamberlain
FAIL

The Demon

03-19-2011 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17991373)

And just what was the alternative?

"We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will." ... Neville Chamberlain
FAIL

Shhh, let these morons figure this one out.

Brujah

03-19-2011 06:37 PM

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Prime Minister David Cameron said late Saturday that British forces also are in action over Libya. "What we are doing is necessary, it is legal and it is right," he said. "I believe we should not stand aside while this dictator murders his own people."

Sounds fair.

_Richard_

03-19-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 17991088)

Pentagon: 110 missiles fired on Libya thus far

chaching..

Robbie

03-19-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17991373)

And just what was the alternative?

"We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will." ... Neville Chamberlain
FAIL

Yeah, that involved Germany actually invading and conquering half of Europe when Chamerlain tried his infamous "appeasement" fail policy.

Libya hasn't invaded any of our allies or threatened us or attacked us in any way. We are simply sticking our nose in a sovereign nations inner turmoil in hopes of getting a good deal on the oil when "our side" wins.

EDIT: And don't forget...911 was courtesy of the "rebels" in Afghanistan that we were supplying with weapons because they were fighting the Soviet Union's invasion of their country in the 1980's. And Sadaam Hussein was our boy for a couple of decades as well and his military was built up by us.

These Muslim's play us like a fiddle. Won't surprise me one bit to see Muslim extremist theocrats in charge of Libya thanks to us.

INever

03-19-2011 08:03 PM

The religious right never seems to quote "Thou Shalt Not Kill" - GOD.

Unless they're outside an abortion clinic.

DateDoc

03-19-2011 08:07 PM

Even if those revolting end up winning with UN help they will still find a way to blame the West for something. Personally, I say let them go at it. It is their fight not ours.

camperjohn64

03-19-2011 08:10 PM

How would you feel if someone was beating the shit out of you and you asked for help from a stranger only to have him say "it's none of my business" and kept walking?

I am skinny and a lousy fighter but I would totally jump in.

Now, what if your sister / mother / someone close was getting the shit beat out of them, and she asked for help and nobody helped her - would you be upset at the cowards that just watched?

We give ourselves the right to interfere - nobody has to give us permission. We don't have to ask our mommies if it's ok.

Robbie

03-19-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by camperjohn64 (Post 17991499)

We give ourselves the right to interfere - nobody has to give us permission. We don't have to ask our mommies if it's ok.

So if another country decides to invade us to "help" some militia group that our govt. decides to take out...then it's all good?

Yeah, that's an extreme example. But dude...you sound like Hitler's Germany. Just invade countries because we want to? Give ourselves the "right"?

I don't think that's what our country is supposed to be about. And I personally don't see why I should pay with my tax dollars (and in Iraq with our soldiers lives) for this kind of expansionism.

It's not our country and it's not our place to sit in judgement and decide who is "right" and "wrong" and start bombing them to turn the tide.
That's just my opinion.

But make no mistake...it is against every international law and I believe our very own constitution to do what we've been doing the last ten years. But of course...our govt. has been taking away all of OUR rights too. Doesn't seem like anything can or will stop them currently.

PStarks

03-19-2011 08:23 PM

Just another thing the US will have to borrow from china to pay for :(

theking

03-19-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991489)

Sadaam Hussein's military was not built up by the U.S. His military was primarily supplied by the Russian's...with some assistance from Germany and France...and trained by the Russian's.

camperjohn64

03-19-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17991507)

...

But make no mistake...it is against every international law and I believe our very own constitution to do what we've been doing the last ten years. But of course...our govt. has been taking away all of OUR rights too. Doesn't seem like anything can or will stop them currently.

So what you're saying, is that if we, as a people thought it was best to replace our govm't but they locked us up as political prisoners, and/or shot us all, you would be ok with another country moving in and rescuing us?

Love you. :-)

nico-t

03-19-2011 09:12 PM

nico-t

03-19-2011 09:16 PM

it's a business, anyone who is trying to bring their little brainwashed ideas and agendas into this, please shut up. Power, which is in turn money, is the keyword for politics. EVERY political decision is being made on this basis. If you even believe in sides like 'democrats', 'republicans', you are a brainwashed little cockroach.

Brujah

03-19-2011 09:33 PM

Darfur and Congo, Bahrain and Yemen. You're next! We're saving the world's peoples!

Barry-xlovecam

03-19-2011 10:52 PM

I think a lot depends on these "rebels" true intentions. If they are pro democratic and secular ? then we do the right thing. If not, their ass will be grass soon enough I suppose. Remember, had the French and Admiral Lafayette not come to the assistance of the Continental Army during the American Revolution things may not have ended as they did back then.

However, Qaddafi's regime has been trouble for years ? their complicity in the Lockerbie bombing was an attack on a USA aircraft over British territory. Some 270 dead.

Quote:

[O]n 22 February 2011 during the Libyan protests, the ex Minister of Justice Mustafa Mohamed Abud Al Jeleil stated in an interview with the Swedish newspaper Expressen that Muammar al-Gaddafi had personally ordered the bombing. ...

You reap what you sow they say.
Paybacks are a bitch I say ...

just a punk

03-19-2011 11:10 PM

Absolutely not! This is just another war for oil.

Thanks god my country still have a lot of nukes, to protect itself :2 cents:

Robbie

03-20-2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by camperjohn64 (Post 17991555)

I'm not sure you understood what I was saying at all. :)

I'm saying..."See, it's wrong"

Not: "Hey it would be great if another country invaded us to 'help' a militia trying to overthrow the govt."

We shouldn't be fucking with other countries internal affairs. I don't want to pay for it with my taxes, I don't want our kids killed fighting countries that did not attack us, and I don't want our country killing people.

Again, that's just my personal stand on it.

DWB	03-20-2011 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17991338)

History is not going to look back too fondly on our generation either. Not because of our action, but because of our inaction. We pay an unproportionate amount of attention to the Middle East; The Middle East can become a glass parking lot over night and the US will still get it's oil form the same place it does now - Canada and Mexico. Yet at the same time we pay no attention to Africa. The entire continent is dieing, decades of civil war, AIDS, starvation, and a huge lack of government control, and our entire generation didn't give a fucking shit about it.

:2 cents:

INever

03-20-2011 02:11 AM

The world is (still) on the verge of losing one of its major cities and all the sick fucks who run this world can think of is starting another war.

Vendot

03-20-2011 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17991220)

i call em like i see em. i found it uncool to start lobbing crack/meth addict insults do to a misinterpretation of the comment. thus my *west* comment earlier.

Ouch, I guess I pick em up off GFY. In that case, I apologise to Selena.....
On reflection it was totally out of order what I said.

The reason Im so fiercely pissed off right now is that theres zero debate, no chance of a war one week ago and now suddenly we're at war. Why the fuck are we once again meddling in arab affairs?

We we're fine with Mubarak in Egypt for long enough. And even Gaddafi and now Obama/Cameron are using stupid justifications like Gaddafi's threats to Benghazi rebels....

cykoe6

03-20-2011 03:31 AM

No bloooooodddd for ooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll! !!!!! Indict the war criminal Obamahitler now!!!!

Kolargol

03-20-2011 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17990993)

Fuck me......... why cant they keep their fucking faces out of other peoples business?

Maybe they should have kept their fucking faces out of your business in 1940s.

Barry-xlovecam

03-20-2011 06:21 AM

I find the current "crisis" in Bahrain more worrisome.
Libya is a sideshow and Qaddafi is an assclown.

As far as those insisting that this is all about oil — the same ones said that the War in Iraq was all about oil. To this day Iraqi oil production has not increased much nor has oil's price fallen on the world markets as a benefit of these wars, incursions, meddling in internal affairs or whatever the mantra be.

Use of petrochemical fuel has little future now. The predictions of gasoline at today's prices was made years ago with the current high costs leading to the development of alternative forms of transportation not reliant on petrochemical fuel. So, unless OPEC floods the market with cheap oil fast, OPEC's own greed will be their own demise.

This recession that we are in was triggered by excessive energy prices at its core. Combined with the "financial crisis" scam as the reason waived before the public for the looting of the peoples assets and livelihoods. So, who is screwing who? Most of us are on the receiving end as usual. Those of us who maintain that we are the higher part of the food chain feel the pain of the others worse off in the form of sluggish business growth, lost sales and the resulting revenue loss.

I would rather pay "too much" for alternative fuels to domestic suppliers than pay the "oil tax" to OPEC and the like. Perhaps a lousy trade off but in the long run this will allow developed countries to regulate fuel costs with the political and economic consequences in consideration.

RummyBoy

03-20-2011 07:49 AM

Sad thing is, like with Iraq, I bet you anything within weeks global support for this intervention or war will basically fall apart and then theyll be stuck in another mess.

PornoMonster

03-20-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17991771)

This went from a No Fly Zone to a No War Zone.

CNN's Arwa Damon reports fighter jets struck a Libyan army convoy as it tried to advance on Benghazi
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...pt=T1&iref=BN1

irwin99

03-20-2011 08:01 AM

Seriously, nobody could argue that if every Arab died tomorrow the world wouldn't be a better place. We need to ethnic cleanse that whole part of the world off the planet and start over.

brassmonkey

03-20-2011 08:13 AM

the no fly zones will be the base for the rebels.

dyna mo

03-20-2011 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 17992031)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

AtlantisCash

03-20-2011 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 17991146)

Oil... Don't like it, then force your government to get off their fucking asses and seriously develop other sources of energy.. Until that happens all us western nations are going to remain involved over there.

if they didn't kill Tesla, we would have that alternative actually.

wee don't need oil for only to use it as an energy, we can find alternative sources, something can compete with plastic substances is what we have to do.

selena

03-20-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 17991771)

I apologise to Selena.....

It's all good. :)

v4 media

03-20-2011 09:07 AM

What happens when the Syrians start firing on their people, or the Saudis or the Iranians.. It's about to kick off.

Barry-xlovecam

03-20-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992084)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

Defectors from Qaddafi's Air Force?

Agent 488

03-20-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17992084)

anybody know where the rebels are getting their fighter jets?

why would you think it's a rebel flying it? it's obviously western fighters.

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