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Wide array of U.S. warplanes used in Libya attacks |
Like many people have said in this thread, it's business... And in each deal there are 2+ parties involved, and often they aim at totally opposite goals. If you take the position of one party, you'll find their reasoning right, if you take the position of another party your view of right and wrong can get absolutely different.
Each conflict like that is business, not involved in the conflict countries can nominally be trying to stop it but in reality make bank selling weapons. Speaking about moral - yes, that's wrong, but if the money helps the economy then it seems ok. Another point - you never know the truth! Mass media has been the main political weapon for a long time now. I've seen a few interviews related to the conflict, including the recent one with Saif Gaddafi, and he did bring up some interesting facts that partly justified the regime in my eyes. But still I can't take this or that position in Libyan case because there are too many "buts". What I know for sure though - politics overall is dirty shit. Can't blame them for that though, it's the result of our world structure and geopolitics, so they have to play the "game". |
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he plane is believed to have been a MiG fighter whose pilot had defected with his aircraft to join the rebels. Libya had been a large-scale buyer of the Soviet jets and, though many are unserviceable, several have been used during the conflict. Libya’s air force has two types of MiG – the MiG 23 and the MiG 21.
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you even listen to the report? civilians are thanking the west for stopping the libyan forces with air attacks on a military base. stop arguing and pushing your viewpoint and be aware and read correctly. you never do. |
im grilling some burgers and watching college hoops. have fun. :)
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assvent 488, you dumb fucking cunt
A rebel-operated jet fighter has crashed in Benghazi - as Libyan forces intend to deploy 'human shields' to thwart a UN-backed bombing campaign. FP said rebel forces confirmed that a former Libyan air force jet crashed as it sought to attack loyalist troops on the outskirts of the rebel-held city in eastern Libya. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110319/...s-3fd0ae9.html |
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more for assvent 488 fucking dipshit/
Rebel MiG-23's Sink Gaddafi Ships Off Libyan Coast http://dailybail.com/home/rebel-mig-...yan-coast.html |
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dipshit There are reports coming out of Libya this afternoon that Libyan rebels have been using their own MiG-23's, sinking two of Gaddafi's ships and damaging a third. ] |
The rebellion has started to fly fighter jets of its own, and that they helped drive Qaddafi’s jets away from Ajdabiya today.
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at least two Mirage F-1s defected to Malta (one of the pilots is rumored to be a Libyan colonel), plus another 3-4 pilots switched sides as well. That’s about 4-6 pilots which form the “Free Libyan Air Force’’.
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Two Libyan Air Force fighter pilots defected on Monday and flew their jets to Malta where they told authorities they had been ordered to bomb protesters, Maltese government officials said.
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Has anyone got any actual proof that America has stolen oil production from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, or anyplace else? |
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Our oil companies WANT it to be expensive. And they also want to make sure that they can keep it flowing...as do the Arab countries. Everybody gets rich...except us and the goat herders on the ground in the Mid East |
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May the force be with them. |
"Is Western Action On Libya Justified?"
I don't know, ask the several high-up Libyan officials, ex-pats, and the Libyan ambassador himself that question. All of them have been on CNN and other news networks over the past few weeks asking if not outright begging the world (but particularly the US) to help their country's people, by way of enforcing a no-fly zone and providing military air strikes. Those of you making it out like the evil west is yet again "sticking it's nose where it's unwanted" simply haven't been watching the news. |
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None of us know the real inside story. But my guess is it's the same old song and dance. The "opposition" wants to get their hands on the billions of dollars that the oil companies pay the Colonel now. And we have NO business interfering with the internal affairs of another sovereign country. Just like we would shit our pants if Russia suddenly decided to do the same to us. |
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We entered WWII because we were attacked. And then FDR asked Congress for a Declaration Of War. You know...the way the law says it's supposed to be done. Not the way we've been doing it lately. We haven't been attacked. None of our allies whom we have signed defense treaties were attacked. Congress did not declare war. Sound familiar? (hint: Iraq) |
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history kinda shows that a lot of the people making the most money are europeans.. |
If the US/UN/etc does nothing and the Libyan people end up getting massacred (which they would) the US would be criticized and vilified by the world for turning a blind eye.
If they lift a finger to help they are criticized and vilified for butting in where they don't belong. Always love a good catch 22 story. Don't you Robbie? |
Seems the Arab League is having some doubts about this:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...045027,00.html Ive seen this story covered in UK media also. The problem is that the whole idea is to stop Gaddafi attacking his people. The principle is supposed to be about no fly zone and NOT regime change. However, its clear that what the west actually wants is regime change because if Gaddafi then stops all actions, what can they do? (that doesnt go outside the limits of their remit). Its becoming pretty clear if you watch news media now that this whole thing has not been thought out properly. Theyll find a way to get Gaddafi though.... |
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I guess the oil companies are gonna get every last dollar of profit while they still can until people FINALLY have enough of this shit...and then they will go to work on a way to make us pay a "rental" fee on the sun next. lol |
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The National Oil Corporation (NOC) is the national oil company of Libya. Quote:
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But now we don't even pretend to follow our constitution and the checks and balances of our laws anymore to restrain the govt's power. And bottom line is this: Libya didn't invade anybody. They didn't attack us. They didn't attack any or our allies that we signed defense treaties with. There are more people being slaughtered in an hour in Darfur...yet we just watch that go by...as we SHOULD. But when there is oil involved? Now we're gonna roll with it? And if it isn't the oil, then WHAT is it that makes one shitty god-forsaken country full of people that hate us more "deserving" of us bombing them than another? I don't want my tax money spent for that. But they didn't ask me for permission. lol |
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It was none of our business. But we did something and saved all those Muslims. And what did it get us? I'm kinda surprised that even after the shit we've done since 9-11 that people still seem to think we should go and bomb other countries. A general was on CNN today and said that we shouldn't worry because they have those missiles tweaked to avoid killing civilians. And that no "significant" loss of civilians is expected. Well....if I were a Libyan, and a cruise missile accidentally killed MY wife...I would consider that to be very "significant" and I would spend the rest of my days trying to kill Americans. That's just one of the problems of us going into these countries illegally and bombing them. No matter what happens...we CAN'T "win". Just like if Libya started bombing a large city in the United States. Every American in that city that survived the bombing would be out for Libyan blood. We are creating new "terrorists" every time we start killing people over there. Bring home ALL of our military. And let's spend the money here at home making our lives better instead of killing people in small countries. And then IF anybody EVER attacks the U.S. (hasn't happened since the Japs at Pearl Harbor and before that since the war of 1812) THEN let's unleash holy hell on them. |
Why is the US expected to do all the heavy lifting again? Why can't countries in the region take care of their own back yard for a change ?
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They more then happily volunteer to bomb people .. it is in their blood ...:2 cents: |
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