Well said Brad. Colin was great, the seminar was very very informative and the panel did a good job expressing thoughts, questions and views on the subject.

Ha, you guys worry too much... it's just 12clicks, and pissing matches are what he does for a living. You can either fire back, or ignore him. Depending on my mood, I take turns. :1orglaugh At he end of the day, the sparring is fun -- nobody should read any real anger on my side though, I just like picking on the dude. Plus... it is GFY after all, there's kind of a culture here. ;)

When will you be heading to time square to take your shit? :)

You did a great job :)

Key points i found from this topic

1) WHOLESALE price of the domains are $60

2) You can "opt-out" and protect your domain from anyone else getting it by paying $100 .. and if you want it back at some point .. you cant. its gone forever.

3) if you dont pay the $100 opt out and someone else gets your trademark everyones suggestion was well .. its your trademark .. take legal action and get it back .. not everyone has the money to do that

4)"automated monitoring" - this was brought up using the term Spidering - ICM said that they will not spider our sites private areas (ie : members area ) but when challenged from the audience with direct reading from their own bylaws it sates that they will have "automated monitoring" of your whole site .. so icm had no clue what he was talking about and doesnt understanding spidering is automated monitoring

5) icm told us on the panel that they can not overrule the i4 (i could have this backwards ) rulings in regards to regulations with .xxx domains ... and again once read from their laws from the audience he was proven wrong and he had .. nothing to say.

6) they only have two regulations in place so far .. they have until the end of this month to get the rest of them in place that we have to live with

7) all domains by default will have a warning page that THEY create before anyone can go to the .xxx domain name

it was so hard to sit and listen to this and frustrating ... i wish it went longer ;/

wow, so they have the power to 'control' content AND have *their* warning pages as the entry for every single domain...that is huge. how much you want to be they will be making money/have outside links on them? damn..talk about taking it up the ass. it just keeps looking worse and worse for xxx...why someone would support them is beyond me. i can only wonder what other horribly stupid 'regulations' they will put in place that will continue to alienate their customer base.

Honestly i doubt they are creating the rules to fuck us or make money off of it - i think it is just generic rules that they have in place to cover their ass

i dont think they will be making any money off the warning page and with the spidering Vaungh really didnt even have a clue about it and denied it was even real until it was presented to him and when asked if he had a comment about it he said " no "

but to his credit - at the end he did say he was going to get clarification in regards to the terms used

He asked that he wishes we could give them a chance to prove them self - now im one of those guys that really likes to give everyone a chance and trust them so i may be shooting my self in the foot ..but nothing we can do now .. xxx is here and it isnt going to be un-done no matter how much we bitch
so all we can do is just see what happens and see if they stick to their word

This is key... I don't think anything that they said is beyond being changed at this point. Even the prices. They can change pretty much anything. And even after the contract is signed, IFFOR can STILL add new rules for domain holders at just about any time, right away or years later. And yes, even if IFFOR tries to do something we LIKE, ICM Registry can veto it, as was proven during the seminar.

But in terms of "we have to live with" part... again, we don't HAVE to live with it if we don't buy these domains. Unless of course we are somehow compelled to buy them, in which case one of the nightmare scenarios can to be.

Andrea,
Insults from the unaccomplished aren't something to take seriously.
They chirp quite a bit but at the end of the day, one of us has owned and run successful programs for over 12yrs and one of us talks about it.
In this environment you really need to be careful where you get your info from.
The guy doing it or the guy who talks about others doing it.:thumbsup

Well I see .xxx as an attempt to take food out of our mouths and put it into theirs. There is absolutely no need for it, my .com's work perfectly so why would anyone need .xxx? If anything .xxx works for and is catering to those want porn blocked. I can't see myself giving them a chance, they aren't working for my or anyone else's best interest in adult at all. All it takes is one line of code to run *anything* on the entry page of every single .xxx domain in existence (hopefully it won't be many..)

Here's the problem with that though... I think that they HAVE in fact shown a lot already in the many years they have been trying to get this sTLD passed. I'm not going to list all the offenses here, although I'd be happy to speak with you offline if you want. So them saying "give us a chance" to me would be like Charlie Sheen saying "give me a chance with your daughter, a hotel room and a pound of cocaine, I promise not to do anything wacky." There's a history built already.

One of the things that will be interesting to watch though, which I think will speak a lot louder than poor Vaughn could (and it was hard NOT to feel sorry for him, he took such a pounding), will be who ends up on the IFFOR board. I can't imagine those seats will go to anyone BUT people who helped push .XXX through.

The issue with NOT buying the .xxx is if you dont buy your brand / trademark - someone else will .. its just that simple. If that person then decides to create a site that reflects poorly on your brand or something along those lines you are forced to let them do it or take legal action

and if you take legal action you are talking money...Allison stated that they would not be buying .xxx and if they need to they will take action to protect their trademarks. That works for them as they have the money to defend themselfs ... not everyone has that tho

example: Earl miller was in the FRONT row. I was lucky enough to speak with them later that evening over dinner and he has 200+ domains he wants to protect. He is now faced with buying them or letting some one else run over his name and he does not want to spend the money to take legal action .. when .xxx was not needed or requested by this industry... sad a legend such as him has to worry about this

You're back! You do know, by the way, that in addition to running my own sites from 1997 on, I was part of one of the original affiliate programs on the Internet, right? You keep repeating this affiliate program thing again and again over the years... I've never bothered to correct you because I think it's funny, but you are wrong.

That said... here's the thing. I don't think that the VERY many people here on GFY or elsewhere who work in this industry but who haven't run old fashioned affiliate programs are irrelevant. If I dismissed all the people who haven't run affiliate programs, as you have done here repeatedly, that would be a whole lot of people who I'd be insulting and dismissing.

In the spirit of Colin's request, I've included no insults above... and will not address you further in this thread, directly or indirectly. It's fun for me, but... I understand most everyone else could care less about drama. ;)

Yeah, that IS the biggest concern, you're right about that. But a few things here...

I don't know if he was right, but JD suggested that if ICM were to register your mark to someone else, they'd be open to a lawsuit themselves. Would be interesting to hear more for industry attorneys on this idea.

Second, Allison suggested that someone could wait on a lawsuit... so for instance let's say someone registered pinkvisual.xxx ... they could wait until the person had the domain bringing in enough traffic, and THEN sue them (in this case the squatter, not ICM). Let them do all the work, then take it back. That might work for some people. In this case, you'd only incur the costs of the lawsuit if you were getting back a domain that was of value because someone had promoted it, etc.

Correct me?
Please son. You've never run or owned a program.
Being an employee of one over a decade ago isn't something I'd trot out as credentials to be listened to today.
:thumbsup

its legal blackmail. buy the domains or suffer the consequences.

Some heavy trolling going down in here, where is the video?

For those interested in a non-industry prospective on how .XXX might affect the bigger societal picture, here's an interesting opinion piece, although she gets a few facts wrong:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...s-2607402.html

im converting / uploading the closing statements now

i think it will be a few days before they put the whole thing online

I'm uploading 8 separate parts of over 29 gigs of raw video. It needs to be edited into one video, converted and stuck where ever it's final destination will be. Please be patient. :)

I sort of meant that the culture here suggests that shows would be battlegrounds. I try to avoid it. I'm certainly not worried, and would be greatly entertained by a webmaster cage match. :)

lol that is why no one takes you seriously, son. You are just a roofer and mojo's fetch boy with delusions of grandeur that you actually own anything. LOL, I had no idea all this time you were EXACTLY like Trey. Except he wasn't a roofer too.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/vid...99615&comments - video

For those unaware, this video shows the closing remarks from the panelists. So, the last few minutes of the marathon session. Thanks for posting it Chris.

Thanks for the link I had missed the last 10 minutes due to a meeting.

I happen to agree with that. Insults are an art form and there are few consummate masters of that art trolling this board. Since I'm not a huge fan of indiscriminate mudslinging, I don't hang out here much. I browse, and post to things of interest or value, and stay out of the rest.

That said, I think there are a lot of people in this industry that have something of value to impart. It really has little to do with their job titles or descriptions, or even their industry history, but rather their intelligence, and grasp of the broad view of the current state of the industry.

I agree completely :thumbsup

The flip side of the same coin also holds true. Many with impressive titles and lengthy industry history impart very little of value, even though they have plenty to say.

Good thread.

If anyone has posted the whole video - please post a link :)

Hey Colin - long time no see....

I'm still a little surprised that nobody asked about the "WHY?" to .xxx
Possibly because .xxx had already been accepted, and it became now more important to talk about how it would or could affect those who use it, or decide not to use it.

Originally, all we ever heard about was how .xxx was going to keep adult-oriented material away from the eyes of minors, and prevent CP, etc... Barely a word of this was mentioned throughout this entire seminar.

Imagine that.

Isn't that basically what I asked at the very start of the thing? Or do you mean something else?

I remember you asking about how or what would happen if they changed the "rules" in mid-stream. Like with a biller, for example.

Jay asked about the whole "protection of children" thing, and it more or less was pushed aside when CP started to get mentioned.

It's to protect the kids of course :upsidedow:warning

Here is the conundrum, for .xxx to be effective in "protecting" kids from porn then porn would have to be removed from all other tld's (.com,.net etc). If not, then there is the same amount of porn out there and the same amount of kids being exposed to it on the .com's so then .xxx does nothing to protect them.

The whole "protect" kids theory (which is what he was pushing as justification for .xxx) can only be accomplished by placing all porn on .xxx ONLY. Which I think is what Lawley's agenda really is. Obviously he wont say that now and might never admit to it, but he has every incentive in the world for porn to be mandated to .xxx. It would make him hundreds of millions of dollars more if it was mandated vs just another tld that some people were blackmailed into buying.

And Why so much?

No my question was basically with all the possible nightmares... and I mentioned the unknown rules and board oversight issues as big ones... what benefits were there that would possibly counter that to make us want to use these domains.

It was probably lost in the shuffle because no such benefits were divulged in the answers, plus Greg Dumas jumped in before Vaughn could really address the question and tried to spar.

Anyhow, you'll see it when the video is posted. I tried.

Thanks for posting the closing statements Chris.

Yeah I asked the question about child protection and it was glossed over. Greg Dumas chose not to chime in about it. I wanted to know if .xxx was pushing the protecting children from accessing adult sites angle. Then someone brought up CP... which has absolutely nothing to do with whether a minor is able to access adult sites or not.

Correction, it will double the amount of porn online if everyone goes for the same .XXX domains as there are .com domains.

sex.com + sex.xxx = two domains exposing kids to porn

And so on.

Why this simple fact hasn't been drilled into them into their eyes bled, is beyond me.

Of course they didn't answer, there is no answer other than they are wrong.

This is the biggest scam our industry has ever seen and surprisingly no industry attorneys were able to stop it. I have to wonder just how hard they tried, as this thing is full of pitfalls and does nothing to protect children.

IMHO, they are boiling frogs. This is just the beginning of something big. "Step One" was a huge success.

This was part of a post on last monday over at xbiz by Joanne from FSC:

"? All registrants of .XXX must agree to third-party automated monitoring of their sites for compliance of IFFOR policies ? AND you will have to purchase your domain name before you even know what those policies are.

? Aliases (.XXX and .com going to the same site) require that related .coms adhere to IFFOR policies. "

Sounds lame. :2 cents:

That was discussed as well during the panel and it turns out that a board of 9 people will make the rules and enforce policy. Of the 9 people, 5 will be "from the adult industry." If I heard that correctly?