You should see my school papers, it uses the name my parents called me and not my birth name, which I don't use even in most legal documents.

Wait... so in kindergarten he wrote an "essay" on wanting to become President? Hahaha... I have a 6 and 7 year old, here's what it would have looked like.

"When I grow up I want to be President. It would be fun to be President. I think the President is a nice man."

It's Kindergarten... not college.


My parents raised me Christian and I'm very much not a Christian today. People change, adults make that choice, they're allowed to. And honestly, even if he changed to Muslim I wouldn't care. Hell he could be a satanist, not believe in god, etc... and I'm fine with that. Actually, I would rather have that than an extreme Christian.

It should be something that is standard for any politician to show. And the public (who pays for these people) should have no problem being able to view it.

hehehehehe... well it wasn't like they took it the printer and made copies. They just made multiple certs and then put your foot on each, and gave you the bottom 'copy' basically.

It's still an original. they had one for the hospital, which doesn't stand anymore, and one for my babybook.

One of the signatures is in blue ink, something I remember about it

You seem to not want to understand....
He did get that legal name because he changed his name and become Indonesian.
They didnt make up some sort of name at the school.

Not every country makes a mess of their administration as in usa if i have to believe you.

:1orglaugh

I give you credit for a "come back".

LOL!

He didn't change his name...his name has always been the same legal name...his step father enrolled him in school under a name that was never his legal name.

LOL, gotta love google images and creative thought

He did not have a legal name change... his parents called him that, and enrolled him in school under that name. HE first off, couldn't have NEVER made the change it would have been 100% his parents.

Your point is pointless because it means nothing....like writing an essay about being President when you're only 6 means nothing. With that, lots of people go by a short name / nick name, all over the world. It's very common. But either way, this wasn't Obama, it was his Parents.

As I heard it reported...the President actually had to twist some arms to get his long form birth certificate...as the state he was born in only issues a Certificate of Live Birth and it is in fact illegal for anyone...including the person whose birth is involved...to be issued a long form birth certificate.

You could only be on an Indonesian school if you were Indonesian in the late 60s.

You say it means nothing.

But the united states law says that you can not be a President if gave up your United states citizenship. That same law doesnt care if he or his parents did so.

Now watch someone criticize him for using his position as president to circumvent state law.

I am satisfied that it will happen...but any President is always in a no win position...because any President cannot please all of the people...there will always be tens of millions that are displeased with any action a President takes.

He's not a citizen of Indonesia though... so your theory is out the door.

And it was "difficult" to enroll in school as a non-Indonesian, it as not impossible. It greatly helps though when you take on your fathers name, your id card says your name and your school papers - which is what the law was actually about.

You need to start researching outside of fox news....

Will you provide a link to both laws?

Why does anyone care? He isn't helping the poor. He only supports those who support him, wealthy Americans.

If he is from Hawaii or Chicago, or the f*cking Congo, he is the President. He is upholding his duties as every other president.

If you are inquiring my "Congo" remark, I am Black and not racist toward any ethnic group.

omg what is he hiding where the page is turned/bent?!

Hilarious. Until now you've been a birther.

WTF did you get your facts? 60%+ was only the number of self identified republicans who doubted his birthplace.

As a non American I genuinely feel embarrassed for any idiot still going on about a birth certificate. I can't imagine how pathetic your lives must be.

Obama, a Sleeper Agent for World Communism

The First Time I
Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8

During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.

V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.

One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."

The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.

"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."

The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.

"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"

The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."

It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."

"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."

She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."

We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.

She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.

She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."

At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.

Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."

She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.

So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?

Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.

Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.



Tom Fife

Was duyba ever asked to show his birth certificate? Lol. I can't believe this is even an argument hahahaha. Gotta love politics.

They don't release long form birth certificates in hawaii. Obama had to ask whomever is in charge of such things to make an exception. Brilliant move on his part and brilliant timing for the pre-primary season starting soon. Last time it started much much earlier. This will give the crazies time to really complete out themselves with whatever new theory they can come up with next and discredit the majority of republicans completely(as if they had any wiggle room left). People will get crazier, come up with more insane theories, other invalid reasons to attack him, etc. It pulls the legs out of most of the crazies and they'll find a new way to cope. I can't wait.

Thank you for making my point in my previous post.

This isnt politics, this is Dumb (republican leaders) and Dumber (their constituents).

Meanwhile that HOT and VERY Important news about birth certificate... Bad shit is happening all over the world.... Thank God for priorities!!!

It's very puzzling to see the Race designation on the original birth certificate is listed as "African" instead of Black or Negro, etc, which would have been more likely back in 1961.

Many people are raising questions about that Race designation discrepancy - general consensus is the birth certificate, while maybe partly real, has been somewhat modified for political reasons; to match the info that was released previously.

Looks like President Obama is caught in a catch-22 ... either publish the original certificate completely unaltered and risk criticism for the Race designation not matching other previously released documents -or- publish an altered version, which appears they have, and hope few people notice; banking on the mainstream news media staying mum regarding the apparent Race designation discrepancy.

Ron

yup would not fly to have hahahahahaha on the certificate.

Father's place of birth...Kenya East Africa...Race of father...African...where is the discrepancy?

Pigshit.

Don't mean to add fuel to the fire, but this shit is too damn funny:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M-F3xPm9aA...ts+liberal.jpg

http://word4ce.com/freemarkets/wp-co...oure-Fired.jpg

:stoned

ADG

Back in 1961, "African" would be a very unusual Race designation to see on an official government document.

In addition, from my understanding, under Hawaiian law release of the original birth certificate (the long form) is typically not permitted and hence there's virtually no other publicly released Hawaiian long form birth certificates to compare it to in regards to authenticity...

In particular, what were the official government Race designations typically used back in 1961 in Hawaii - to reiterate, "African" listed as the race seems very suspicious for that time period.

Ron

An ordinary person/clerk is probably typing out the form...and a lot of ordinary people/clerks...would have put German as being the race...if a person would have stated that they were born in Berlin Germany. Many people confuse race and ethnicity...thus I do not see any concern for the use of African.

While you all are arguing about this the government is fucking you in the ass big time.

You are so easily manipulated.

Pigshit.

http://www.examiner.com/sites/defaul...RUMP-large.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2.../DumpTrump.png

Dream ticket for Obama... :1orglaugh

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rGwD2Uk40-...TrumpPalin.png

ADG

Barry is technically right, there's bigger things to conceal than his birth certificate... like the history of the CIA creation of Barry Soetoro.

African is a nationality not a race. This poorly crafted fake tells me nothing about his race. In 1961 his and his fathers race would have been black or negro, not "African".
Birth aside, he lost his eligibility when he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro.

You fuckers are duped so bad, It's beyond comprehension. 15 cents.

We have the same birthday

Actually Africa is a continent, not a nation. But thanks for coming out and playing, here is a copy of the home game. :winkwink:

Heh.. more of Trump inserting foot in mouth.. He now is complaining about jobs going to China.. Yet he himself uses Chinese cheap labor to produce his shit.. Guess it's OK to send jobs to China if it's his profits in question.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=13472355

Overall it's sad that this country can only produce these kind of clowns to try and run it. The joke is not the politicians but rather the morons whom buy into their BS.

I love how Obama says the country doesn't have time to deal with nonsense, that we must focus on the economy and jobs, then he hops on AF1 to see Oprah.

this does question the whole credibility of the document, it would be interesting to see other people born in Hawaii in the same year to come forward with their birth certificates to be able to compare some of these things :2 cents:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M-F3xPm9aA...ts+liberal.jpg:winkwink:

That's written in Arabic, it says Wilayat Madha Welcomes You.

Kenya's speak English and the tribes speak Swahili, it's a photochop.

http://i56.tinypic.com/m8nzop.jpg

Same sign, same location, different language and words.

The fake sign doesn't even say birthplace of Obama... this is that in Arabic.

مسقط رأس باراك أوباما

uh his fathers name is barack dont twist it playa :1orglaugh

200 official birth certs :pimp