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Tempest 05-02-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18103427)
Yeah, it's always about oil. Blah blah blah blah oil.

If this was the case, why haven't we invaded Canada yet? Because that's the largest supplier of oil to the US. Mexico is second.

Been awhile since I read it, but I believe that the "Project for the New American Century" outlined getting US bases in the middle east to sort of get it more under their control so that they could then shift battle groups towards China for the future.

Sly 05-02-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18103440)
Been awhile since I read it, but I believe that the "Project for the New American Century" outlined getting US bases in the middle east to sort of get it more under their control so that they could then shift battle groups towards China for the future.

I would believe it for bases before oil.

Marcin978 05-02-2011 05:15 PM

Obama faked Osama death because probably inspired by CIA terrorist group needs to make terrorist incident, probably in Europe
and maybebecause he needs cover his faked birth certificate...

Anybody want still talk about birth certificate?? NO, Everyone wants talk about Osama death.

A week ago wiki leaks confirmed possibility of terrorist attack after Osama murder.

Is it strange? Week ago Wiki leaks informed us about consequences of Osama death, and now Osama is dead?

So prepare for next terrorist accident

maybe 21 may? who knows, maybe...


After this they tell us that this is terrorists revenge and we must fight together because they are so strong
and maybe they are hiding in Libia...

helterskelter808 05-02-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18103384)
Why is it far-fetched to believe that a highly reclusive, sick, wanted man was hiding in a sympathetic country but not far-fetched to believe that the NWO, or whoever, staged 9/11, the hiding of Osama and the capture of Osama?

You don't have to believe in something to not believe something else. All that needs to happen for you to be a "conspiracy nut" is to think the official version doesn't add up.

I don't necessarily believe 'conspiracy' theories. A lot of them conflict with each other anyway. I just don't also necessarily believe official versions and I'm willing to accept that what the Government says is not necessarily true. Why would it be? You never hear the whole truth about anything; the fact they classify documents alone demonstrates that.

I will say this, conspiracy theories, if they don't go completely nuts, are very interesting and entertaining and often seem more plausible than official versions, which usually amount to little more than simple minded We Do Good/They Do Evil.

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18103456)

I will say this, conspiracy theories, if they don't go completely nuts, are very interesting and entertaining and often seem more plausible than official versions, which usually amount to little more than simple minded We Do Good/They Do Evil.

conspiracy theories mirror the same manichean narrative with the people = good and the nwo or "they" as satanically evil.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18103424)
I am interested in the swine flu deal you mentioned. How did that work? Did their plans not go as well as they had hoped? It caused a lot of panic, sure, but nothing too crazy. And what exactly are they to gain from something like that? What did they get out of the deal? And if they started the swine flu, why did they let it be stopped?

Swine Flu all starts here, he says the world population is too high and that the UN will play a essential role in Population Control


In 2009 the WHO change their definition of Pandemic http://www.flu-treatments.com/pandemic-definition.html It used to also say that there must be a high morbidity and a high mortality rate. This was important, as the declaration of a Pandemic was needed to justify the vaccines and in order to rush through an "Untested" vaccine, under such circumstances you cannot sue the Pharmaceuticals if something goes wrong as the laws have been set up such that they are protected during a Pandemic.

They needed the vaccines to be allegedly "Untested" as they were designed to cause harm. To protect themselves they engineered a situation where they could say the vaccines were untested. To protect themselves even more (whilst also giving the game away) the vaccines came with an insert saying "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility."

The vaccines contain Polysorbate 80, this is known to damage developing ovaries when injected directly into the blood. People will try coming out with half truths such as "It's fine when eaten", which is pretty much true, but has nothing to do with what happens when it's injected. For more details about Polysorbate 80 see here http://organichealthadviser.com/arch...lity-in-humans

Remember the pregnant women got called up for vaccines for the first time, this was to target the ovaries of the female fetuses. Next it was the young children, this was to target the developing ovaries of the young girls.

The Swine Flu Sterilization program was a big fail, nowhere near as many people got jabbed as had been planned. The WHO even put their heads together at the end and decided the Internet was to blame.

It Britain they made it completely obvious by going after Pakistanis and Bangladeshis; who are well known for having large families.

"Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities had much higher death rates than white British children. "
"Sir Liam and a colleague say these high-risk groups should now be a priority for vaccination. " http://www.webmd.boots.com/cold-and-...ne-flu-warning

Also worth noting that HPV/Cervical Cancer vaccine is also part of the fertility reduction program.

Kiopa_Matt 05-02-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18103427)
If this was the case, why haven't we invaded Canada yet? Because that's the largest supplier of oil to the US. Mexico is second.

Because the US has all the oil it wants from Canada. Then the US turns around, and sells it back to Canada with a profit margin. No need to invade, the US already has Canada under control. :)

Phoenix 05-02-2011 05:35 PM

im pretty sure they went and killed the guy.

why fake it? they probably could have done it for awhile now.

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103466)
Swine Flu all starts here, he says the world population is too high and that the UN will play a essential role in Population Control


In 2009 the WHO change their definition of Pandemic http://www.flu-treatments.com/pandemic-definition.html It used to also say that there must be a high morbidity and a high mortality rate. This was important, as the declaration of a Pandemic was needed to justify the vaccines and in order to rush through an "Untested" vaccine, under such circumstances you cannot sue the Pharmaceuticals if something goes wrong as the laws have been set up such that they are protected during a Pandemic.

They needed the vaccines to be allegedly "Untested" as they were designed to cause harm. To protect themselves they engineered a situation where they could say the vaccines were untested. To protect themselves even more (whilst also giving the game away) the vaccines came with an insert saying "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility."

The vaccines contain Polysorbate 80, this is known to damage developing ovaries when injected directly into the blood. People will try coming out with half truths such as "It's fine when eaten", which is pretty much true, but has nothing to do with what happens when it's injected. For more details about Polysorbate 80 see here http://organichealthadviser.com/arch...lity-in-humans

Remember the pregnant women got called up for vaccines for the first time, this was to target the ovaries of the female fetuses. Next it was the young children, this was to target the developing ovaries of the young girls.

The Swine Flu Sterilization program was a big fail, nowhere near as many people got jabbed as had been planned. The WHO even put their heads together at the end and decided the Internet was to blame.

It Britain they made it completely obvious by going after Pakistanis and Bangladeshis; who are well known for having large families.

"Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities had much higher death rates than white British children. "
"Sir Liam and a colleague say these high-risk groups should now be a priority for vaccination. " http://www.webmd.boots.com/cold-and-...ne-flu-warning

Also worth noting that HPV/Cervical Cancer vaccine is also part of the fertility reduction program.

they mean using sex education and birth control you idiot.

where is the proof that any aid organization is going to use disease as a means of world population control. let's see some facts.

Tempest 05-02-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103421)
Yep, plenty of proof! If there's anything specific you'd like just ask

Post some links that prove this "super secret service" and that 9/11, London 7/7 and Madrid 3/11 wasn't done by Al Qaeda but by this "secret service"..

Oh.. And if you're going to post the usual garbage about how 9/11 was taken down by thermite etc, don't bother. I looked into that and found that there was ZERO actual proof. In fact, I've seen actual tests done to disprove that theory and yet those that spout that idea have NEVER done one thing to prove their theory. Instead, in the face of facts that disproves them, they change their story so they can keep writing books and making money.

PornoStar69 05-02-2011 05:37 PM

its getting soooooooooooooooooooooooo obvious

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18103470)
Because the US has all the oil it wants from Canada. Then the US turns around, and sells it back to Canada with a profit margin. No need to invade, the US already has Canada under control. :)

North American Union coming soon...

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103474)
they mean using sex education and birth control you idiot.

where is the proof that any aid organization is going to use disease as a means of world population control. let's see some facts.

That's what they want you to think.

It's well known that UNICEF/WHO/UN go around sterilizing third world countries under the guise of vaccines. Google for more if you like.

http://www.all.org/article/index/id/MjQyNg 1995: The Catholic Women's League of the Philippines won a restraining order against a two-year-old WHO and UNICEF anti-tetanus program. Two labs had found "B-hCG" sterilizing agent in the vaccine. The Filipino program had already "vaccinated" 3.4 million people - all women, mainly between the ages of twelve and 45. The hormone-laced vaccine was also discovered in Mexico, Nicaragua, Tanzania, India and Nigeria. The anti-hCG hormone cause not only sterilizations but also incurable autoimmune disorders, miscarriages and birth defects.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/18...cientist-Finds UNICEF Nigerian Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Sterilizing Agents Scientist Finds

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:41 PM

yeah seems like their fertility reduction program has been a smashing success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_p...ion#Modern_era

wow those vaccines have actually increased the population! NWO FAIL.

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:42 PM

real sources not wacko christian bullshit. let's see it.

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103489)
That's what they want you to think.

It's well known that UNICEF/WHO/UN go around sterilizing third world countries under the guise of vaccines. Google for more if you like.

http://www.all.org/article/index/id/MjQyNg 1995: The Catholic Women's League of the Philippines won a restraining order against a two-year-old WHO and UNICEF anti-tetanus program. Two labs had found "B-hCG" sterilizing agent in the vaccine. The Filipino program had already "vaccinated" 3.4 million people - all women, mainly between the ages of twelve and 45. The hormone-laced vaccine was also discovered in Mexico, Nicaragua, Tanzania, India and Nigeria. The anti-hCG hormone cause not only sterilizations but also incurable autoimmune disorders, miscarriages and birth defects.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/18...cientist-Finds UNICEF Nigerian Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Sterilizing Agents Scientist Finds


Kiopa_Matt 05-02-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18103433)
However, you didn't actually answer my question.

Why would they fake Osama's death? Because Osama and his family have been allies of the US for decades. Why kill an ally? Then again, they did vilify him quite a bit, so maybe they did kill him. Who knows, who the hell cares.

Point is, this is the type of thing that keeps everyone distracted from what's truly important.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:43 PM

Vaccines are also how they brought HIV to Africa. The idea was to depopulate the land so as it's easy to grab resources without violating the human rights of the people who live there http://www.originofaids.com/images/M...994%20copy.jpg

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:44 PM

Laura Knight-Jadczyk is one of the most deluded clinically insane people out there. that's your source? even conspiracy people think she is batshit insane.

let's see some real hard objective sources for your claims.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103494)
real sources not wacko christian bullshit. let's see it.

Feel free to Google, those were just the first sites I googled for you, but it's well known, so you won't only find it on those

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103497)
Vaccines are also how they brought HIV to Africa. The idea was to depopulate the land so as it's easy to grab resources without violating the human rights of the people who live there http://www.originofaids.com/images/M...994%20copy.jpg

real sources please. not a conspiracy website who gets it's sources from another conspiracy website in a endless chain.

Sly 05-02-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18103496)
Why would they fake Osama's death? Because Osama and his family have been allies of the US for decades. Why kill an ally? Then again, they did vilify him quite a bit, so maybe they did kill him. Who knows, who the hell cares.

Point is, this is the type of thing that keeps everyone distracted from what's truly important.

What?

Osama's family did not like him. He wasn't an ally in any way shape or form. And if he was, why would they fake kill him as opposed to "never find him"?

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103504)
Feel free to Google, those were just the first sites I googled for you, but it's well known, so you won't only find it on those

so easy google it and let's see.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103491)
yeah seems like their fertility reduction program has been a smashing success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_p...ion#Modern_era

wow those vaccines have actually increased the population! NWO FAIL.

Remember, Polysorbate 80 damages developing ovaries, so it's when our children grow up, that's when we'll see the difference

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103507)
so easy google it and let's see.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arc...4/mar/04031101

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:48 PM

dude you have built your whole worldview from shitty internet pages with made up news written by barely illiterate people with a history of mental illness and fraud. how does that feel?

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:49 PM

you have no real sources. we get it.

Agent 488 05-02-2011 05:50 PM

this is what separates people with a higher education from those that don't. hate to say it. zero critical skills. just believe any piece of shit on the internet.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103505)
real sources please. not a conspiracy website who gets it's sources from another conspiracy website in a endless chain.

Keep in mind that whoever publishes such information is putting themselves at risk

Should be obvious to most people that HIV didn't turn up out of thin air.

helterskelter808 05-02-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103459)
conspiracy theories mirror the same manichean narrative with the people = good and the nwo or "they" as satanically evil.

Conspiracy theorists seem to put more effort in though. Take 9/11. What is the official conspiracy theory? 20 guys hijacked some planes, flew them into buildings. That's pretty much it.

You ask most people what happened on 9/11 and they'll say that. They accept it. It's comforting, bad guys did it. And now we punished the bad guys because we're the good guys. Simple. Let's sleep safely at night now.

If you say that elements of the Government had a hand in it, or a foreign or domestic intelligence agency, or even that they just knew about it in advance and turned quite a lot of blind eyes, people act like that's crazy.

And it is. It's a crazy thought to think that a Government can act like that. But history, inside and outside the USA, is filled with insane, diabolical shit Governments have done.

The idea that your own Government or higher forces could even think of carrying out such a crime is too scary and too crazy for most people to believe. I'm not even saying I believe it, probably for those reasons.

I think 'proper' conspiracy theorists are just more prepared to accept that Governments and powerful vested interests will stop at nothing to get what they want. You don't have to believe in green lizards to accept that; in fact that's probably just out there to discredit other conspiracies that are closer to the truth.

Personally I prefer to have evidence to make up my mind, so I don't necessarily come down on one thing or another, I just find a lot of theories very interesting.

Just logically though, and all other things being equal, who is more likely to be able to pull off a major crime like 9/11 against the most powerful nation in the history of the world? The Government/intelligence infrastructure of that country, or 20 guys with box cutters?

If it was that easy, the Soviets really needn't have bothered with all those ICBMs.

wehateporn 05-02-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103520)
this is what separates people with a higher education from those that don't. hate to say it. zero critical skills. just believe any piece of shit on the internet.

You have to keep in mind the control that the Bankers/Elite have. It's not as if the BBC can write an article about it. The mainstream news in the USA can't.

I'm just the messenger, don't think about me, think about what I've said. I'm not forcing anyone to believe anything, just letting people know what might be going on behind the curtains. If you want to find out more do your own research and make your own decisions on who to trust. Research the history of the WHO. Realize that they are funded by the same families as the Nazis

wehateporn 05-02-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18103475)
Post some links that prove this "super secret service" and that 9/11, London 7/7 and Madrid 3/11 wasn't done by Al Qaeda but by this "secret service"..

Oh.. And if you're going to post the usual garbage about how 9/11 was taken down by thermite etc, don't bother. I looked into that and found that there was ZERO actual proof. In fact, I've seen actual tests done to disprove that theory and yet those that spout that idea have NEVER done one thing to prove their theory. Instead, in the face of facts that disproves them, they change their story so they can keep writing books and making money.

Thermite is a minor detail, there's so much evidence overall about 9/11. Go for any of the big documentaries. If you're open minded take in about 5 of them and decide for yourself.

With 7/7 this is recommended http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95263359807776

Need to get to bed now

wehateporn 05-02-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103520)
this is what separates people with a higher education from those that don't. hate to say it. zero critical skills. just believe any piece of shit on the internet.

It's all the educated people who believe in the conspiracies though

Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1LFQB7Rk1

Dead 05-02-2011 06:09 PM

Our constitution is being chewed up and spit back in our faces. Wake the fuck up and see that all we were born to believe.. life, liberty and the pursuit of fucking happiness are being stripped down and taking away before our eyes. The money being made from post and pre 9/11 tactic is staggering. The government can not be trusted now or since they choose to have control of the people that made it. The whole thing is a farce! So I believe ,this story of osoma and all the the other headlines that were printed to shape the way the nations are to act is just more of the same. We have never been more imprisoned in our natural born lives, and this movement is not over, just gaining speed.

Phoenix 05-02-2011 06:15 PM

i wonder if there is correlation between those who dont believe 9/11 and the ones who could not answer
the math question the other day

hmmmm

Tempest 05-02-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103536)
Thermite is a minor detail, there's so much evidence overall about 9/11. Go for any of the big documentaries. If you're open minded take in about 5 of them and decide for yourself.

With 7/7 this is recommended http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95263359807776

Need to get to bed now

Thermite is a minor detail??? :1orglaugh

What documentaries? I've watched a few.. Either it's been shown that most of what they said was wrong, or they've edited and re-released new versions toning down what they actually say and stripping our disproven things.. But again, ZERO proven facts. Just supposition and theories... They've got to eat right?

Young 05-02-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18103407)
I'm releasing a new product in a couple days, so probably shouldn't be posting this, but have a few drinks in me, so what the hell. :)

The lack of critical thinking skills in people these days amazes me. *sighs* You do know Saudi Arabia is very rich is oil resources, right? And you do know the bin Laden family is huge within both, the oil and construction industry of Saudi Arabia, right? And you do know Saudi Arabia was one of the largest (if not THE largest) infrastructure projects the US ever undertook in order to basically buy a country, right?

And you do know the US is currently on a "war on terror" for resources (mainly oil), right? Really, it's not about weeding out guys in a cave, or people who stick explosives in their underwear. It's about resources. Seriously, I'm not shitting ya. So considering the US basically bought and paid for Saudi Arabia (including bin Laden family) decades ago, and the US is after oil, doesn't common sense dictate there's a good chance they're in cohorts together?

Ok. Let me see if I can take a crack at this.....man.

O.K. so the Ford family built cars. Like massive amounts of cars. Walt Disney made cartoons. The guy practically cornered the market on cartoons. And Coca Cola? They dominate cola sales across the country. So Ford all of the sudden takes over Toyota for number 1 car sales in the country. The fucking Japanese man....they can't be happy now. And Walt Disney ships all of his drawings to China where they are colored and duplicated in factories man. Turned into animation cells. So where does Coca Cola come into play you ask? They serve drinks in both China and Japan. Both Asian countries. But the only place they don't serve Coke in you ask....? North Korea. The only place you don't see Fords driving around? North Korea. The only place you don't see Disney movies? North Korea.

Do you not think that China and Japan are hiding the real Kim Jong IL and are in cahoots with the American corporations and the government?

Osama is in North Korea. It's so obvious.

Young 05-02-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18103540)
It's all the educated people who believe in the conspiracies though

Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1LFQB7Rk1

I have 2 degrees. Almost hit a perfect score on my LSATs (proven my ability to think logically)

99% of conspiracy theories are retarded (for lack of a better word) and the people who believe in them are...well...retards

Poindexterity 05-02-2011 07:00 PM

im not saying anything was faked, or that he's still alive or that he's been dead for years, and i have no theories as to why anyone would do anything like that.

All i'm saying is something about the whole thing feels fishy.

i aint makin a hat or nothing, but i DO know where we keep the tinfoil.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-02-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18103517)
dude you have built your whole worldview from shitty internet pages with made up news written by barely illiterate people with a history of mental illness and fraud. how does that feel?

Made me lol!

So true on so many levels about so many things.

Young 05-02-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Poindexterity (Post 18103607)
im not saying anything was faked, or that he's still alive or that he's been dead for years, and i have no theories as to why anyone would do anything like that.

All i'm saying is something about the whole thing feels fishy.

i aint makin a hat or nothing, but i DO know where we keep the tinfoil.

I'm guessing you haven't read the stories about how the whole thing unfolded

- Obama Administration acted on intelligence from 2007
- Sent in DevGru
- They killed Osama
- DNA, pictures taken. Confirmed kill
- Body dumped because no one would take it, a burial would promote a shrine, and simply because we didn't need the body anymore. And no sense angering the Islamic world.

I fail to see the fishy part. But then again I have a pretty high IQ that is able to fill any holes with logically reasoned thinking...and not conspiracy garbage.


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