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ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2011 05:22 PM
Max Cash, ARS, CE Cash, Traffic Cash Gold

Dialers, Hidden Cross sales, Spam...

Drug Addicts some of them...
Its well documented.
Some in trouble with the FTC in history.

Only 1 MBA in that whole lot.

Dark dark histories man.

Robbie 05-08-2011 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18119285)
Max Cash, ARS, CE Cash, Traffic Cash Gold

Dialers, Hidden Cross sales, Spam...

Drug Addicts some of them...
Its well documented.
Some in trouble with the FTC in history.

Only 1 MBA in that whole lot.

Dark dark histories man.
Dude...that's the same with every business. They were all SMART guys. Not stupid. And "drug addicts"? I guess we just disagree on the meaning of that. To me an "addict" is someone who would go through withdrawal symptoms. A recreational drug user isn't uncommon. I love to party too. :)

And EVERYBODY did dialers back then. Geo re-directs, etc. How does that make them stupid or "lucky"? It might make you say it was "wrong" but it doesn't make them stupid or lucky.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2011 05:34 PM
True but if the industry did not play games with it's consumers with hidden sales, and costs, auto upsell's, running cards even after cancelling services and ultimately misleading them and fucking them at every corner...

Things certainly would not be as bad as they are.
These days the older generation knows scams, the younger generation just expects it all free.
Some looking for the rare service that is honest with them and has something worth paying for.

Industry itself is far from dead and dieing though.

I truly believe that with the right content and quality and honest service one can make a killing in this business and thats proven from the few guys that are doing just that. Honest and quality service, great design and building a brand leaving everyone else in the dust.

Gimpy looking tours, poor design, poor ad's shitty galleries like 90% of what I see day in and day out in the traffic channels is just is not building consumer confidence.

Good chat:)

Robbie 05-08-2011 05:37 PM
Hard to say.

Back when dialers (which absolutely DWARFED hidden x-sales in fucking people over) were everywhere...people were still spending tons of money on porn.

It was only in 2008 to 2011 that the shit hit the fan. And that was long after dialers were made illegal and x-sells were fading away and are pretty much gone now.

No...something else happened. Something that had never happened on that level before...Can't quite put my finger on what it is...think I'll go over to Pornhub and jerk off while I try to remember what it is that REALLY killed this business...

SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN 05-08-2011 05:44 PM
I am rollin over here

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2011 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18119307)
Hard to say.

Back when dialers (which absolutely DWARFED hidden x-sales in fucking people over) were everywhere...people were still spending tons of money on porn.

It was only in 2008 to 2011 that the shit hit the fan. And that was long after dialers were made illegal and x-sells were fading away and are pretty much gone now.

No...something else happened. Something that had never happened on that level before...Can't quite put my finger on what it is...think I'll go over to Pornhub and jerk off while I try to remember what it is that REALLY killed this business...
Well I am not worried about tubes whats so ever.
They are of no consequence.
The only things Tubes do is knock the small guys out and thats a good thing in my book.

You got exclusive content, you got a quality service, you build a brand then you got the power to make millions. Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now because hardly anyone is doing the right things in building a good brand that is worth paying for. I know when I pay for something I want a quality experience and if it is not there I am out.

Robbie 05-08-2011 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18119320)
Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now
They are making nowhere near what they did in paysite sales before piracy my friend. Having great content doesn't mean a damn thing if your great content is free everywhere. And there is no such thing as "exclusive" when it's on a thousand tube sites for free, a thousand bit torrent sites for free, and a thousand file share sites for free.
"Exclusive" means available nowhere else.

That just isn't so as long as pirates are ripping their entire members areas and posting them everywhere for free.

Anyway, nice talking to you. I hope that your business will survive this onslaught. I have always worked my ass off and continue to do so to stay one step ahead. That's the way it is these days. Most of us are in "survival" mode

GatorB 05-08-2011 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18119235)
First and last...I am VERY aware of COPA. It had me worried at the time.
Why? This is exactly what you want now.

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As far as it taking 10 years....you're wrong. Just ask the gambling sites that just got nailed how long it takes to put a law into effect.
totally different. Also there is move towards LEGALIZING online gambling. Expect that within 5 years.

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And thirdly...Saying you want to write it in crayon is YOU insinuating that you are somehow better and smarter than me? I find that to be completely disrespectful.
When I tell you something and you refuse to see what I am saying and I have to keep explaining myself then yes I am going to assume you have a reading comprehension problem.

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That means you meet my criteria for going on my IGNORE list.
I'm crushed. Seriously I am considering suicide as I type. A least I won't have to read your inane responses to my posts anymore.

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1. You don't seem to have anything that you actually do in this business
If that was true I'd be in violation of the rules of this forum and I would be banned. I'm not, so there you go.

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That makes you a clown. Goodbye and welcome to my Ignore list. I'm sure you are already on a lot of them.
Haters got to hate. Keep trying to sell those $40 monthly memberships while keeping your head in the sand hoping for a law to be passed that you think will help you keep your outdated business practices going. You should get a job with the RIAA and MPAA they think along the same lines as you.

Mutt 05-08-2011 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18119320)
Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now
sorry to burst your bubble of optimism but I will guarantee you that FTV and Met Art are down by a minimum of 50% in sales from 4 years ago. Twistys the same - nobody is immune. Shap is into other stuff besides Twistys. Those people aren't suffering like many of us are, if 4 years ago they were doing 500 joins a day and now it's 200 a day that's still good money. It's the guys who were doing 10-20 joins a day and now are doing 5 or 6 - they're suffering.

papill0n 05-08-2011 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18119118)
I really hate it when people say something like this. Just for the record guys that came into this industry at the start of online porn were uneducated idiots and drug addicts.

It is well documented, they were not smart they just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Then Uneducated thieves moved in that did everything they could think of to rip people off.

Good case study sex.com. Drug addict thief steals domain over charges for ad space upto a million a month for front page ad postions, original owner an idiot let's it slide goes to court for many years, get's it back has a penchant for prescriptions destroy's sex.com... ( Both not smart, both dumb, both uneducated one is a thief. )

Founders of this business deserve no respect, they are the ones that put this industry where it is at today.
Some of them are still doing it... Though experienced guys know who they are and how to avoid them.

Calling them "Smart Businessmen" is really not the term that should be used whats so ever.

Some of them just got a lucky break with a few good domains that sold off because they got lucky registering .coms early, some set up elaborate email scams, some stole content outright since there was no DMCA adn even then the DMCA was largely ignored. To this day I can not think of a singular smart guy in this business that started with absolutley nothing, did not rip a single person off without a big break of one sort or another.

Are you for fucking real ? I dont think I have seen bigger stereotyping in my life!

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2011 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18119439)
sorry to burst your bubble of optimism but I will guarantee you that FTV and Met Art are down by a minimum of 50% in sales from 4 years ago. Twistys the same - nobody is immune. Shap is into other stuff besides Twistys. Those people aren't suffering like many of us are, if 4 years ago they were doing 500 joins a day and now it's 200 a day that's still good money. It's the guys who were doing 10-20 joins a day and now are doing 5 or 6 - they're suffering.
Like I said then, they are still making alot of money.
Even 50% of what they did 4 years ago is an amazing amount of money and most probably over 6 figures a month.

Smaller guys yeah probably having a hard time but on the same token I do not see alot of smaller companies doing anything other than put up half baked tours, retarded repeat content and poor branding and even worse galleries.

Look at your hands you can count on them the companies that have solid exclusive content, solid branding, solid presentation and solid customer/client relations.

Is that the best our industry can do? 10 companies cleaning up everything while everyone else toils on bullshit repeat content poor presentation and no branding? It's deserving they fail for offering substandard services.

Tubes are killing the small guys, thats true and I agree but they are failing for more reasons than just the tubes alone.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2011 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18119444)
Are you for fucking real ? I dont think I have seen bigger stereotyping in my life!
Then you do not get out much.:1orglaugh

Agent 488 05-09-2011 12:31 AM
adapt or die.

12clicks 05-09-2011 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18119023)
Google wasn't the first search. Facebook wasn't the first social network.

People who are first get complacent and arrogant. Because they're first, and have little to no competition, success comes easy. They think they're the shit, but don't realize they just got very, very, very lucky.

Then when others come along later, true innovators with real skill who give people better service or product, who have to work harder and more creatively to break into an existing market, the dinosaurs get destroyed because they don't have the ability to adapt and change.

All they can do is flail around without a clue, playing a broken record about how much better it was in "1998" when they made $10,000 a day spamming newsgroups, and crying about how life isn't fair because other people came along and beat them at their own game by playing it better.



:2 cents:



:2 cents:
odd then that I've never heard of you and still do an incredible amount of business with these so called dinosaurs.




kids........:1orglaugh

12clicks 05-09-2011 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18119118)
I really hate it when people say something like this. Just for the record guys that came into this industry at the start of online porn were uneducated idiots and drug addicts.

It is well documented, they were not smart they just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Then Uneducated thieves moved in that did everything they could think of to rip people off.

Good case study sex.com. Drug addict thief steals domain over charges for ad space upto a million a month for front page ad postions, original owner an idiot let's it slide goes to court for many years, get's it back has a penchant for prescriptions destroy's sex.com... ( Both not smart, both dumb, both uneducated one is a thief. )

Founders of this business deserve no respect, they are the ones that put this industry where it is at today.
Some of them are still doing it... Though experienced guys know who they are and how to avoid them.

Calling them "Smart Businessmen" is really not the term that should be used whats so ever.

Some of them just got a lucky break with a few good domains that sold off because they got lucky registering .coms early, some set up elaborate email scams, some stole content outright since there was no DMCA adn even then the DMCA was largely ignored. To this day I can not think of a singular smart guy in this business that started with absolutley nothing, did not rip a single person off without a big break of one sort or another.
oh look, a barely making it designer explaining how worthless his betters are. :1orglaugh
so typical.
son, when I broke into the business there were just as many idiots as there are now. they just left the business faster than they do now.

The "just got lucky" line of thinking may help you sleep at night but it certainly isn't factual.

gideongallery 05-09-2011 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 18118263)
-Make it illegal in the US to show hardcore or even software outside members areas.
-Block all sites hosted outside the US and if they want to be accessible in the US they will need to have a mirror hosted in the US that will have to obey US law.

I seem to have become infected with the Markham.
and don't forget to throw every paysite owner in jail if don't do a perfect job of making sure minors don't get access

if little timmy steals his dad's credit card and your screening process isn't good enough to catch it, drag your ass off to jail for the next 15 years.

DVTimes 05-14-2011 02:24 AM
bump for today

plsureking 05-14-2011 02:41 AM
these are desperate times for a desperate industry..

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