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Maybe a good idea to stop charging $29.99 for a months subscription and give users the option of paying smaller amounts ..oh wait that will never work because all the webmasters will sart crying about making a few $$ from a sale instead of the insane $30 per sale
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You live in some fantasy world let me give you a does of reality. Ok let say there was some desire in Congress to pass such a bill( I haven't heard of any )say such a bill got passed and somehow they accelerated to a Jan 1st 2012 start date of this law( VERY doubtful such a law would take place that fast ) Immediately someone would sue and an injunction would be in place until the case is hard in court. This would take many months if not years. The loser would appeal and appeal again until the case is inevitably heard by the US Supreme Court. Even if the US Supreme Court upheld this law( they didn't COPA ) were talking 10 years from now at the earliest such a law could accually be in place in the US. A bit late in my book don't you think? Would it really do any good at that point? |
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I'm not a "drug addict" or an "uneducated idiot" Matter of fact most real "drug addicts" can't get a lot done in their lives (with a few exceptions of really,really smart guys who can "function" and be addicted to substances) Me, my partners, and the people we did business with back when online porn really took off in the mid 1990's were all pretty sharp folks. And how is it "well documented" that they were not "smart" and just "happened to be at the right place at the right time"? Documented by who exactly...losers who weren't visionary or smart enough to see how to make money at the time? I have to say that in every business the people who were there at the right time and right place were there because they ARE smart. But you can think whatever you like. Won't really change the facts no matter how many people on a message board think it. |
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Putting it behind a paysite members area only isn't censoring it or stopping free speech. It would simply be argued that it's keeping it away from children. And yes, it would pass. That was the biggest fear I had since 1996 worrying that it would destroy my free site business. But now? With pirate sites? I have nothing to lose and wouldn't have any problem at all with it. Not saying it's gonna happen. Just saying it very well could happen and IF it does...paysites will be the ONLY game in town. Never say never. |
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I seen plenty of evidence about the card bangers, the spammers, the content thieves, processing scams, webmaster rip off's and what went hand in hand with that is no education and alot of drugs by most operators. If you ran your business 100% clean and sober legit good for you I am not saying ALL nothing is absolute on the internet but I am saying most. But were you one of the guys scoring out high end 6 figures a month? I do not think so. In 96 I was charging upto 5K for a single tour and knockin out 2-3 a month, these days I can barely find a customer willing to pay $300.00. EZ mode is off and will never be back, people goto realize that. Now it does require smarts and hardwork and shaping a product or service worth paying for. Lucky shots are done. |
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The Child Online Protection Act (COPA) was a law in the United States of America, passed in 1998 with the declared purpose of restricting access by minors to any material defined as harmful to such minors on the Internet. The federal government was enjoined from enforcing COPA by a court order in 1998. In 1999, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit upheld the injunction and struck down the law, ruling that it was too broad in using "community standards" as part of the definition of harmful materials. In May 2002, the Supreme Court reviewed this ruling, found the given reason insufficient and returned the case to the Circuit Court; the law remained blocked. On March 6, 2003, the 3rd Circuit Court again struck down the law as unconstitutional, this time finding that it would hinder protected speech among adults. The government again sought review in the Supreme Court. On June 29, 2004, in Ashcroft v. American Civil Liberties Union,the Supreme Court upheld the injunction on enforcement, ruling that the law was likely to be unconstitutional. Notably, the court mentioned that "filtering?s superiority to COPA is confirmed by the explicit findings of the Commission on Child Online Protection, which Congress created to evaluate the relative merits of different means of restricting minors' ability to gain access to harmful materials on the internet." The court also wrote that it was five years since the district court had considered the effectiveness of filtering software and that two less-restrictive laws had been passed since COPA, one prohibiting misleading domain names and another creating a child-safe .kids domain, and that given the rapid pace of internet development those might be sufficient to restrict access by minors to specific material. The court referred the case back to the district court for a trial, which began on October 25, 2006. In preparation for that trial, the Department of Justice issued subpoenas to various search engines to obtain Web addresses and records of searches as one part of a study undertaken by a witness in support of the law. The search engines turned over the requested information, except for Google, which challenged the subpoenas. The court limited the subpoena to a sample of URLs in Google's database, but declined to enforce the request for searches conducted by users; Google then complied. On March 22, 2007, U.S. District Judge Lowell A. Reed, Jr. once again struck down the Child Online Protection Act, finding the law facially in violation of the First and Fifth Amendments of the United States Constitution. In addition to the plaintiffs ACLU et al., several witnesses testified in defense of first amendment rights on the Internet, including the director of the Erotic Authors Association, Marilyn Jaye Lewis.Reed issued an order permanently enjoining the government from enforcing COPA, commenting that "perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection." The government again appealed, and the case was heard before the Third Circuit. On July 22, 2008, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the 2007 decision. On January 21, 2009, the United States Supreme Court refused to hear appeals of the lower court decision, effectively killing the bill Even if you're right like I said it would be 10 years before the law actually took effect AT THE SOONEST. What good would a law do in 10 years? If they industry is hurting NOW what good is a law in 10 years. Which part of my point are you not getting yet? Which part should I write in crayon so you can understand it? |
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As far as it taking 10 years....you're wrong. Just ask the gambling sites that just got nailed how long it takes to put a law into effect. And thirdly...Saying you want to write it in crayon is YOU insinuating that you are somehow better and smarter than me? I find that to be completely disrespectful. That means you meet my criteria for going on my IGNORE list. 1. You don't seem to have anything that you actually do in this business therefore you are useless to me in making money. 2. You acted out and spoke to me disrespectfully. That makes you a clown. Goodbye and welcome to my Ignore list. I'm sure you are already on a lot of them. |
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Not a down on you're business, not trying to slight you, not saying you were not succesful, but even those platforms did not pull HIGH END 6 Figures a month. They are great though and excellent steady business, and I would bet still very lucrative:) I remember a few people and even 1 of them I worked directly for made a clear 7 figures a month, though I can not say I would agree with all that was done in them. As of right now I only know of a few guys even doing mid to high end 6 figures a month compared to in the past when there were many many of them. All different measures. I am glad you were successful though congrats and I also must say I was not exactly sure who you were till now thanks for clarification. How much are paid spots now compared to even 2005? PS: Yes we have met before, and yes I have your card from a trade show circa 2004-2005, Las Vegas:) |
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The last high dollar paid spots I did were on Ampland (we split our company up in Nov. of 2006 so that is no longer me). And that was on my old "Nasty Nine" list. Those were simple text links on the main page. They were $6,000 each and there was a waiting list for them (only nine available). And you are correct...we didn't do "upper" six figures a month. We did "lower" six figures a month with everything we had going on. And the people we dealt with...Max Cash, ARS, CE Cash, Traffic Cash Gold, and a few others were owned by people who DID make more than a million a month and none of them were stupid or drug addicts (yeah, we all party when it's party time...but not drug addicts) The later guys who came in like Nasty Dollars, Top Bucks, Lightspeed, Gamma etc. weren't stupid or drug addicts either. Matter of fact they were all pretty sharp. |
Max Cash, ARS, CE Cash, Traffic Cash Gold
Dialers, Hidden Cross sales, Spam... Drug Addicts some of them... Its well documented. Some in trouble with the FTC in history. Only 1 MBA in that whole lot. Dark dark histories man. |
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And EVERYBODY did dialers back then. Geo re-directs, etc. How does that make them stupid or "lucky"? It might make you say it was "wrong" but it doesn't make them stupid or lucky. |
True but if the industry did not play games with it's consumers with hidden sales, and costs, auto upsell's, running cards even after cancelling services and ultimately misleading them and fucking them at every corner...
Things certainly would not be as bad as they are. These days the older generation knows scams, the younger generation just expects it all free. Some looking for the rare service that is honest with them and has something worth paying for. Industry itself is far from dead and dieing though. I truly believe that with the right content and quality and honest service one can make a killing in this business and thats proven from the few guys that are doing just that. Honest and quality service, great design and building a brand leaving everyone else in the dust. Gimpy looking tours, poor design, poor ad's shitty galleries like 90% of what I see day in and day out in the traffic channels is just is not building consumer confidence. Good chat:) |
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Back when dialers (which absolutely DWARFED hidden x-sales in fucking people over) were everywhere...people were still spending tons of money on porn. It was only in 2008 to 2011 that the shit hit the fan. And that was long after dialers were made illegal and x-sells were fading away and are pretty much gone now. No...something else happened. Something that had never happened on that level before...Can't quite put my finger on what it is...think I'll go over to Pornhub and jerk off while I try to remember what it is that REALLY killed this business... |
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They are of no consequence. The only things Tubes do is knock the small guys out and thats a good thing in my book. You got exclusive content, you got a quality service, you build a brand then you got the power to make millions. Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now because hardly anyone is doing the right things in building a good brand that is worth paying for. I know when I pay for something I want a quality experience and if it is not there I am out. |
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"Exclusive" means available nowhere else. That just isn't so as long as pirates are ripping their entire members areas and posting them everywhere for free. Anyway, nice talking to you. I hope that your business will survive this onslaught. I have always worked my ass off and continue to do so to stay one step ahead. That's the way it is these days. Most of us are in "survival" mode |
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Are you for fucking real ? I dont think I have seen bigger stereotyping in my life! |
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Even 50% of what they did 4 years ago is an amazing amount of money and most probably over 6 figures a month. Smaller guys yeah probably having a hard time but on the same token I do not see alot of smaller companies doing anything other than put up half baked tours, retarded repeat content and poor branding and even worse galleries. Look at your hands you can count on them the companies that have solid exclusive content, solid branding, solid presentation and solid customer/client relations. Is that the best our industry can do? 10 companies cleaning up everything while everyone else toils on bullshit repeat content poor presentation and no branding? It's deserving they fail for offering substandard services. Tubes are killing the small guys, thats true and I agree but they are failing for more reasons than just the tubes alone. |
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so typical. son, when I broke into the business there were just as many idiots as there are now. they just left the business faster than they do now. The "just got lucky" line of thinking may help you sleep at night but it certainly isn't factual. |
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if little timmy steals his dad's credit card and your screening process isn't good enough to catch it, drag your ass off to jail for the next 15 years. |
bump for today
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these are desperate times for a desperate industry..
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