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JFK 05-10-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18122948)
No. He'd get less time in jail if he had raped his own kid, and in most states less if he had killed his own kid. These sentences are excessive and skewed in comparison.

I agree there:2 cents:

dyna mo 05-10-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18123412)
you can add as many laughing smilies as you want. it doesnt stop from the fact you're clueless.

"federal government has gone on record". So what? Politicians go on record and say a lot of things. It is still illegal and you're breaking a federal LAW which is not a misdemeanor. Let me guess you believe what politicians say trump laws also now? Again do some reading you will see federal law trumps your state law. But then again I already pointed this out. Do some of your "critical thinking" and understand what that means.

A) it is impossible to have "4 strikes". Even in baseball when there is a foul ball it will stay at 2 strikes. (i mentioned this just because i know you will try to pull some rabbit non related post out of your hat)
B) There is no "4 strike law" because it is impossible to have "4 strikes"
C) It is a repeat offender law has nothing to do with "4 strikes" which is impossible (See A and B)
D) "Drug offenders in the state are subject to life imprisonment after being convicted three or more times of a crime" where does it say "4 strikes". You again are clueless.

I makes it "easy" for you but yet you continually come off as clueless and resort to name calling.


again you talk straight out of your fucking ass.

1. possession is a fucking misdemeanor for the 1st 2x at the fed level.

2. i said 4 strikes, that doesn't mean there's a fucking wiki page on 4 strikes, it was a phrase i used to summarize the fact it was his 4th offense. everyone else figured it out, certainly you can as well with your g.e.d.


again, hard on for me. get over it metatard, you remember what it was that got you all riled up over me right? i confidently shredded your brainiac conspiracy theory that *the jews* are behind 9/11. you claimed then you put me on ignore yet here you are getting your panties all riled up again over what me.

get over it man, that was what, a year ago? let it go bra.

dyna mo 05-10-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18123412)
It is still illegal and you're breaking a federal LAW which is not a misdemeanor.


metard, stick to yapping your trap about shit you know about, what the fuck ever that may be.


FEDERAL Marijuana Penalties

Possession
Any amount (first offense) misdemeanor 1 year $1,000
Any amount (second offense) misdemeanor 15 days MMS* $2,500
Any amount (subsequent offense) misdemeanor or felony 90 days MMS* - 3 years $5,000
*Mandatory minimum sentence.
Sale or Cultivation
Less than 50 kg felony 5 years $250,000
50 to 100 kg felony
20 years
$1,000,000
100 to 1,000 kg felony 5 - 40 years $2,000,000
1000 kg or more felony 10 years - life $4,000,000
To a minor felony double penalty double penalty
Within 1,000 feet of a school, or other specified areas felony double penalty double penalty

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L-Pink 05-10-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18123406)
on a completely unrelated topic but somewhat related..

theres is a show called "real police women of **** city" on t.v.

it is like a female version of cops basically, and they recently had a bust of home contractors who were operating without a contracting license.. they had setup a sting operation where they had a cop pose as a homeowner looking to get a kitchen redone or something , then a full swat team rushes in guns drawn and takes down the perps ( contractors )

priorities lol

Yea, that was in Broward County Florida, where else but Florida. It really is embarrassing down here sometimes.

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SallyRand 05-10-2011 10:38 AM

The "War On Drugs" should more appropriately be termed "The War On The American People"!

I am a member of NORML

http://norml.org/

and LEAP (Due to long past employment experience):

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Stop the madness!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9.../marijuana.jpg

"It's no secret there's a huge war on drugs going on everyday. You see it in the streets, cops pulling random people over and searching their cars, drug dogs at their heels. Now if you're like me, you're asking yourself, how can they make such a big deal over something as harmless as cannabis? I mean there has been many test over cannabis and results tell us it's not harmful. In fact, it has been reintroduced as a medicine in a few states. It has been discovered that some cannabinoids help fight cancer, I'm sure you're saying, "But if it helped cancer they would make that more open to the public...right?" wrong... let me explain by telling you the real story behind cannibis being illegalized.... As you probably know the hemp plant has been used for many things through out history: food, medicine, rope, paper, fabric, and even at one point as legal tender. This goes all the way back to 7000 b.c in records . It started drawing public attention in the 1900s as a recreational drug.

In 1619 the first law was passed in Jamestown colony, virginia, ordering all farmers to grow indian hempseed or they would be jailed. Following the mexican revolution, mexicans started coming into America bringing with them marijuana plants for recreational use. The small farms and large farms grew tension because of the large farms using cheaper mexican labor.

Not only were the mexicans bringing it over, but also the mormons who visited mexico in 1910. They brought it back to salt lake city and caused the church an uproar over cannabis. Their reaction was used to fuel the first anti marijuana state law. Then Wyoming followed, then Texas, Iowa, Nevada, Oregon, washington and nebraska. These laws were passed specifically targeting Mexican- American population.

In the eastern states they were using it to fight African- Americans, stating.."Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men?s shadows and look at a white woman twice.? People started to generate fear, thinking Mexicans and blacks were snaring white children with marijuana.

Then in 1931 the story changed to marijuana causes violence ,due to Dr. A. E . Fossier who wrote this in New Orleans medical and surgical journal, "Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.?

From 1919 to 1933 they had the alcohol prohibition, with everything out in the open to distract people from drug laws silently being passed. however drugs could not completely be outlawed on a federal level, so they used federal taxes to get around it.

In 1930 a new government agency was created to find the problem and solution to drugs. Harry j. Anslinger was named director of this agency. He knew that the taxing of opiate and cocaine use weren't enough to help build his agency so he decided to include marijuana and started working on the illegalization of it. He focused on the aspects of rascism, violence and fear to feed it.

Harry had a lot of help from William Randolf Hearst to promote his stand against marijuana through Hearst's newspaper company. Why would he help? first off, he owned a newpaper company and made lots of money off stories about crazy mexicans and devil weed. Second- He owned a large timber company and was losing money because of hemp. Third he hated mexicans because he lost 800,000 acres of timber land to Pancho Villa.

Anslinger started receiving help from various companies to protect their business from hemp competition. After years of secret planning and media coverage from Hearst , Anslinger proceeded to congress with his plans and numerous articles from Hearst newspaper about ax murderers using marijuana.

Thus came the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. This was the first of many powerful people who helped make marijuana illegal. So as you can see Marijuana wasn't outlawed because ," it's dangerous, or causes violence.." It was outlawed to suit the needs of rich politicians and corporate companies. So there you have it ladies and gentlemen....."

http://www.examiner.com/cannabis-rev...ally-illegal-1

blackmonsters 05-10-2011 10:40 AM

The sentence for this meaningless weak ass drug is a crime in itself.

Nobody would be stupid enough to fail at killing someone by putting marijuana in their
coffee, but drano works just fine.

Si 05-10-2011 10:47 AM

Does seem harsh, tough to pass judgement on really.

Didn't learn his lesson, or wasn't taught a lesson so he obviously kept doing it.

I think more could have been done to stop him and help him do something more productive.

Deej 05-10-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18122882)
I think he's one of the dumbest fucks in prison.

He didn't think after 3 convictions it was time to go straight?????

I get it... hes stupid... but dont you think the guy that just got his 12th DUI and has harmed a family or two that only got a slap on the wrist ... again from the "judicial" system... dont you think HE deserves to be in said dudes spot?

Lets rethink this one a minute shall we, Markham?

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-10-2011 11:03 AM

To crazy...
Guess he should have relocated to California and not Luisiana outback shit hole...

moeloubani 05-10-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18123128)
always go back to the victims for that.. the victims here are the children , so the question is at what point is it better for these kids to not have a father at all than to have one that makes very poor decisions.

Each case needs to be looked at on its own.

That's the whole purpose of child services. If parents are teaching their kids something wrong (for example that laws should be scoffed at and broken anyways) or if parents are putting their kids in dangerous situations (surrounding them with illegal drugs and people that are into doing illegal things) then those kids are better off without the parents.

You might not agree with weed being legal or not however society has come together and labelled weed illegal. This isn't about weed, the guy can protest about weed not being legal as much as he wants, this is about the law that he broke 4 times.

Now I'm not saying that the law is fair - and if it isn't there are ways to get rid of that law so long as the majority of people that vote on the issue in your state/country agree.

Life in jail is harsh but a guy that goes back to court again and again for the same offence ought to know that the punishment will fall on the tough side on of those times.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej (Post 18123531)
I get it... hes stupid... but dont you think the guy that just got his 12th DUI and has harmed a family or two that only got a slap on the wrist ... again from the "judicial" system... dont you think HE deserves to be in said dudes spot?

Lets rethink this one a minute shall we, Markham?

Yeah for sure the guy doing 12 DUI deserves it more and people SHOULD bring these laws they don't like up to get them taken away but until then people have to follow the law.

Gouge 05-10-2011 11:11 AM

Drug criminals in Louisiana are subject to life imprisonment after they have been convicted three or more times of a crime that exceed a sentence of ten years, as Cornell Hood had been. He knew the consequence of his next arrest, he gambled and lost...he better check the date on the KY Jelly because Angola is going to be all up in his ass.

DangerX !!! 05-10-2011 11:13 AM

Uh what? ...and justice for all! Wait a few years and they will punish it with death sentence in the USA.

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sperbonzo 05-10-2011 11:19 AM

1. The guy is absolutely asinine for not stopping after the 3rd bust.... C'mon, Really?

2. The sentence is crazy when it is longer than the sentence for rape or murder... C'mon, Really?

3. If this had happened 3 years ago then GFYers would be crying how the Bush administration is total BS for having this sentence handed down.... So where is the blame on Obama?






...That is all.....





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blackmonsters 05-10-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18123121)
pushing herb can get people killed just like any other illegal drug.

Yeah, but the only reason people get killed is because it's illegal.

Same shit happened when Al Capone sold alcohol and it was illegal.

Plus if you add up all the people who ever got killed through drug violence specifically
related to marijuana around the world, then that number would still be less than
the number of people who will die from alcohol related deaths in one year in the
US alone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/...s-deaths-year/



https://youtube.com/watch?v=DOdOraLP0w0




Claiming that drug use actually killed this man is bullshit.
I see quite clearly who killed him. He was killed by a fucking zealot that has no
concept or humanity when it comes to getting what he wants no matter how meaningless
the task is to the safety of society.

moeloubani 05-10-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18123674)
Yeah, but the only reason people get killed is because it's illegal.

Same shit happened when Al Capone sold alcohol and it was illegal.

Plus if you add up all the people who ever got killed through drug violence specifically
related to marijuana around the world, then that number would still be less than
the number of people who will die from alcohol related deaths in one year in the
US alone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/...s-deaths-year/

Claiming that drug use actually killed this man is bullshit.
I see quite clearly who killed him. He was killed by a fucking zealot that has no
concept or humanity when it comes to getting what he wants no matter how meaningless
the task is to the safety of society.

Drug use didn't kill him. But what are you saying?

That if you are guilty of a minor crime you should just fight the police and then they have to let you go? Then everyone would be fighting police officers over little things.

Resisting arrest killed this man. The job of a police officer is to make sure that when someone breaks the law they are brought to justice. What if this guy went crazy after this and sped off and killed someone?

barcodes 05-10-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18123581)
Drug criminals in Louisiana are subject to life imprisonment after they have been convicted three or more times of a crime that exceed a sentence of ten years, as Cornell Hood had been. He knew the consequence of his next arrest, he gambled and lost...he better check the date on the KY Jelly because Angola is going to be all up in his ass.


beerptrol 05-10-2011 12:20 PM

yes, sentencing laws are fucked up, but don't do the crime if you can't do the time. You would have thought he would be smart enough to stop before mandated sentencing was to kick in. Now he can be somebody's bitch in prison

blackmonsters 05-10-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18123729)
Drug use didn't kill him. But what are you saying?

That if you are guilty of a minor crime you should just fight the police and then they have to let you go? Then everyone would be fighting police officers over little things.

Resisting arrest killed this man. The job of a police officer is to make sure that when someone breaks the law they are brought to justice. What if this guy went crazy after this and sped off and killed someone?

What if you shot me in the head over the internet? :1orglaugh

"what if" is for people who can't deal with "what did".

He wasn't killed for resiting he was choked to death as the cop tried to beat drugs
out of him that he had already swallowed.

The cop needed to realize that he could no longer get the drugs after they were swallowed.

The man would not have die if the cop had just beat him to make the arrest.

Deal with it.

michael.kickass 05-10-2011 12:53 PM

Don't sell it, smoke it! heheh

L-Pink 05-10-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18123565)
To crazy...
Guess he should have relocated to California and not Luisiana outback shit hole...

It's illegal to sell pot from your house in Cal too.

Agent 488 05-10-2011 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18123570)
That's the whole purpose of child services. If parents are teaching their kids something wrong (for example that laws should be scoffed at and broken anyways) or if parents are putting their kids in dangerous situations (surrounding them with illegal drugs and people that are into doing illegal things) then those kids are better off without the parents.

You might not agree with weed being legal or not however society has come together and labelled weed illegal. This isn't about weed, the guy can protest about weed not being legal as much as he wants, this is about the law that he broke 4 times.

Now I'm not saying that the law is fair - and if it isn't there are ways to get rid of that law so long as the majority of people that vote on the issue in your state/country agree.

Life in jail is harsh but a guy that goes back to court again and again for the same offence ought to know that the punishment will fall on the tough side on of those times.




Yeah for sure the guy doing 12 DUI deserves it more and people SHOULD bring these laws they don't like up to get them taken away but until then people have to follow the law.

your islamic fascism is showing.

RyuLion 05-10-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18122882)
I think he's one of the dumbest fucks in prison.

He didn't think after 3 convictions it was time to go straight?????

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18122884)
What a disgusting sentence. America should be ashamed. seriously

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 18122912)
I think its a waste of state and federal resources but hey. its all about getting paid.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

moeloubani 05-10-2011 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18124083)
your islamic fascism is showing.

rather be a fascist than a racist

im sure all of you saying the guy should have been let go are okay with guys like that babysitting your kids? dating your daughters? so what if he had a bit of drugs and fought a cop right, it was just a mistake and he should be let go!

some of you are fucking idiot cry babies...i hate cops just as much as the next guy but they do have a job to do and if i was a cop id be trying to preserve evidence too

LedZep 05-10-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18123121)
pushing herb can get people killed just like any other illegal drug.

Thats about the dumbest bullshit I ever heard. People get killed working in 7-11, people get killed driving taxis, people get killed working in banks, but according to dumbasses like you 'its the weed'. :1orglaugh

LedZep 05-10-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18123327)
lolz, you make it too easy.\

1. you can't see the difference between felony and misdemeanor.

b. you equate my having a weed card and smoking weed at my leisure in a state that has legal weed laws, has decriminalized pot and during a time when the federal government has gone on public record stating they will not pursue people that use weed like me with a repeat offending drug dealer in a state where it is entirely illegal? got it.

* you tell me i can't read in regards to a 4 strike law yet if you had clicked through to the original article YOU would of READ that the career criminal was prosecuted further by the d.a. under a 4th offense law, i.e. 4 strikes.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


So you NEVER smoked weed before you got your card? Because if you did then you obviously had to get it from a dealer and without people like you there would be no dealers. I agree with Meta, you are a hypocrite.

dyna mo 05-10-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZep (Post 18124435)
So you NEVER smoked weed before you got your card? Because if you did then you obviously had to get it from a dealer and without people like you there would be no dealers. I agree with Meta, you are a hypocrite.

i'm a hypocrite because i've broken the law and i think someone else who has broken the law should go to jail? what planet are you living on? can you even try and comprehend how flawed your logic is? regardless of the details of the situations being entirely different, misdemeanor v. felony, repeat offender, dealer v. casual user, children involved, etc.

regardless of all that certainly you can't be so obtuse to not be able to see that no one is perfectly crime free? do you not know that? have you not figured that out yet?

LedZep 05-10-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18124452)
i'm a hypocrite because i've broken the law and i think someone else who has broken the law should go to jail? can you even try and comprehend how flawed your logic is?


Exactly. Because they broke the law by supplying YOU with something that YOU wanted and you feel that life imprisonment is justified for that. That would be like you investing money with a stockbroker who you knew was making you money using inside info, and when they got caught you saying 'he deserved it'. And my logic is flawed. :1orglaugh

brassmonkey 05-10-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZep (Post 18124430)
Thats about the dumbest bullshit I ever heard. People get killed working in 7-11, people get killed driving taxis, people get killed working in banks, but according to dumbasses like you 'its the weed'. :1orglaugh

smoke your fuckin brains out i don't care just make sure you have a medical plan when your ass is running around talking to yourself. cause you fried your got damn brain. :helpme

charlie g 05-10-2011 06:05 PM

I am happy this douche is going away for life. Not because he was selling pot, but because he was too fucking stupid to stop after conviction #3. He obviously has mental issues and needs to be away from the general population. Let's hope the dumbass gene has skipped little billy.

Agent 488 05-10-2011 06:06 PM

5 strikes and you got damn out!!!

dyna mo 05-10-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LedZep (Post 18124475)
Exactly. Because they broke the law by supplying YOU with something that YOU wanted and you feel that life imprisonment is justified for that. That would be like you investing money with a stockbroker who you knew was making you money using inside info, and when they got caught you saying 'he deserved it'. And my logic is flawed. :1orglaugh

no, he went to jail for life for being a career criminal and i am fine with that, as i mentioned previously. too bad i have to spell that out for you, you still won't get it though.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 05-10-2011 06:23 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--u9McKaeVZ...nd_bigger1.jpg

The war on marijuana is just plain stupid...

If we take the case of the guy that is the subject of this thread, the cost of incarcerating him for the next 40 years will be at least $800,000 at $20k per year (imagine the cost per year in 40 years, and I've seen some estimates of annual prison costs set at $50k per year). That is just the cost of incarcerating one person.

The nearly 100,000 citizens arrested annually for dealing marijuana are costing at least $2 billion per year to taxpayers and that does not count the other 775,000+ people arrested for marijuana possession annually.

The actual monetary cost to society is higher by several magnitudes, and the impact on the individuals incarcerated and their families can be enormous. This should be stopped.

I have never dealt marijuana and probably never will, since I would hate having strangers coming to my house, plus the risk of getting ripped off or ratted out and busted are more than I would ever want to chance.

However, I predict, that if legalized, and set up like it is here in California, where the cities are starting to regulate and tax medical marijuana, that anyone dealing out of his home, especially with minors present, is still looking at some form of punishment - although again, if cannabis was legal and regulated, he might not be in business anyway. :2 cents:

http://yourbrainonbliss.com/Blog/wp-...dispensary.jpg

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LedZep 05-10-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18124592)
no, he went to jail for life for being a career criminal and i am fine with that, as i mentioned previously. too bad i have to spell that out for you, you still won't get it though.


Ok, so then you would advocate a life sentence for someone that has been busted for shoplifting 4 times? How about prostitution?

It may be convenient for you to keep using the term 'career criminal', but each one of his crimes were victimless and dealing with a natural herb that is safer than aspirin, and one that you apparently consume. By condoning this sentence you are agreeing with every private prison lobbyist, every pharmaceutical lobbyist, and every law enforcement lobbyist who push to put even people like yourself in jail over what you are doing. If you believe that it is just to incarcerate someone over plant material then why do you do it?

SmokeyTheBear 05-10-2011 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18123570)
That's the whole purpose of child services. If parents are teaching their kids something wrong (for example that laws should be scoffed at and broken anyways) or if parents are putting their kids in dangerous situations (surrounding them with illegal drugs and people that are into doing illegal things) then those kids are better off without the parents.

that all makes sense IF you have appropriate laws.. weed is not dangerous to a child , nothing associated with weed will harm a child any more than a fork , infact a fork is MUCH MUCH more dangerous and way more kids die from forks than from weed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18123570)
You might not agree with weed being legal or not however society has come together and labelled weed illegal.

society has said jaywalking is illegal too , but you still do it.. i agree though , laws and sentencing should be decided by the people , like perhaps a vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18123570)
This isn't about weed, the guy can protest about weed not being legal as much as he wants, this is about the law that he broke 4 times.

well you can't say it isn't about weed, there are 2 sep issues , weed and the 3 strikes law.

There is a guy in california doing life because his 4th strike he cheated on a dmv test , same issue not about weed.

i think we can all agree that after 3 times you would have to be a complete moron to let yourself get busted a 4th time but being ignorant shouldn't be deserving life and i don't want to pay for it.

If you had a gas station selling gas for 20cents a gallon but it had a warning ,"this gas will cause direct cancer" , i bet people would be lining up to use it . Sometimes the people with brains need to help those without. ( or maybe we should just sell cancer causing gas at 20cents a gallon and get rid of them all now )

SallyRand 05-10-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18123132)
NO it's not "legal where you are". You're breaking federal law thats what. Federal law trumps your state, county or whatever laws.

All Heil; Uh, "All HAIL" Obama!

cherrylula 05-12-2011 05:24 AM

I have read about this in the local news.

That guy is on the Northshore. That is where the conservative white people are. If he had been in New Orleans he'd be let off easier, they are liberal there.

Don't move to the northshore, above the lake, and deal drugs. Simple. LOL

dyna mo 05-12-2011 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LedZep (Post 18124650)
Ok, so then you would advocate a life sentence for someone that has been busted for shoplifting 4 times? How about prostitution?

It may be convenient for you to keep using the term 'career criminal', but each one of his crimes were victimless and dealing with a natural herb that is safer than aspirin, and one that you apparently consume. By condoning this sentence you are agreeing with every private prison lobbyist, every pharmaceutical lobbyist, and every law enforcement lobbyist who push to put even people like yourself in jail over what you are doing. If you believe that it is just to incarcerate someone over plant material then why do you do it?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh can someone explain to metatard that the career criminal was put away for life for violating the 3 strikes law? not for weed. it's been mentioned at least a dozen times but dude still can't grasp it, he's got a hard-on for me.


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