you guys are seriously going to argue that gentiles are clean and the torah makes no mention of them ? hahaha

sorry my bad the torah clearly says everyone is equal , gentiles are cool and everyone should have a great big party.

various writings from 2000 years ago by certain members of a religion (NOT from the Torah, OR the Talmud, by the way), can be quoted for EVERY religion, including Christianity, to make people think that this is what the religion is all about. Not only are these archaic writings of individuals, not accepted rules, but also Jews have always shown their religion to be one that is ALWAYS evolving, not only in the reform movement, but in the Conservative and even the Orthodox sects. Jews believe in constant discussion, debate and evolution of their faith.

Again, I know that anti-semite websites LOVE to quote this stuff, but they refuse to look at the actual facts of what Jews believe and how the religion works and constantly changes. (since it would not serve their agenda to do so, obviously)



Again, your post comes from an ignorant place.



Again, go ask a Rabbi, don't rely on neo-nazi anti-semite websites.
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That's what you got from my post? I never knew middle aged people can be this stupid. Then again, it's a trend on this forum.

Edit: thanks for the logical post gonzo but this guy is just too dumb.

``it is forbidden a Jew to unite himself to Gentiles, because they are suspected of shedding blood, and he may not join himself with them in the way; if he meets a Gentile in the way, he causes him to turn to the right hand; if they ascend by an ascent, or descend by a descent, the Israelite may not be below, and the Gentile above: but the Israelite must be above, and the Gentile below, lest he should fall upon him and kill him; and he may not go even with (or along side by him) lest he break his skull.''

pay close attention to where i said "Racism is built into their religion.( like most religions )"

notice how i said MOST not ALL as you have incorrectly stated..

all religions that are racist are equally stupid though , you have that part right:thumbsup

And again, various writings from 2000 years ago by certain members of a religion (NOT from the Torah, OR the Talmud, by the way), can be quoted for EVERY religion, including Christianity, to make people think that this is what the religion is all about. Not only are these archaic writings of individuals, not accepted rules, but also Jews have always shown their religion to be one that is ALWAYS evolving, not only in the reform movement, but in the Conservative and even the Orthodox sects. Jews believe in constant discussion, debate and evolution of their faith.

Again, I know that anti-semite websites LOVE to quote this stuff, but they refuse to look at the actual facts of what Jews believe and how the religion works and constantly changes. (since it would not serve their agenda to do so, obviously)



Again, your post comes from an ignorant place.



Again, go ask a Rabbi, don't rely on neo-nazi anti-semite websites.



You won't find one SINGLE Rabbi that believes in, or teaches, the stuff you are quoting, not even from the Hasidim, (who I personally find kind of wacky). Those articles were universally rejected by Jews a long long time ago, as part of the evolution of the religion.



How can you not understand this? Are you that blinded by your own clinging to a certain world view that no reality can shake it?



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As usual, qft. Good post

Some quotes from the Talmud, a Jewish book kept up to date by Rabbis, I was just told to look in the Talmud by a Rabbi and shown links to these sites:

Just saying, it does seem like the Jews think non-Jews are dirty.

They also say it is okay to kill a non-Jew, lie to a non-Jew, steal and cheat a non-Jew - this could be why people have hated them so much throughout history. It is because they hate people to start, de facto, if they are a non-Jew.

I have nothing against Jews, but I think that anyone who believes that they are any better or any different than anyone else because they are Jewish is an idiot, a racist, a bigot and a fool. People like bonzo and TheDemon are just two idiots in that bunch, two guys who think they are 'chosen' by ANY definition of the word and are clearly mistaken as proven obvious by their lack of intelligence.

haaretz.com

those guys are raging anti-semites i suppose ?

i posted my opinion and backed it up with cold hard facts from a jewish website


so the leading jewish website on the internet is "neo-nazi" and anti-semitic ? lol

you are funny.

you should be ashamed of yourself throwing out anti-semitic claims like they were rice at a wedding. I would bet your ancestors would be ashamed at the filth and hatred coming from your mouth.n I don't hate you or jews. You should learn to have a proper discussion instead of whipping yourself into a hatred filled frenzy about it.

Moe, you're a stupid sand hahahahahaha who amuses us with his towelhead rhetoric. Gonzo and I just spent an hour explaining how Jews don't think theyre better. Yet you show your stupidity once again by claiming we said the opposite. Good show.

Top rabbis move to forbid renting homes to Arabs, say 'racism originated in the Torah'
Dozens of Israel's municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling, which comes just months after the chief rabbi of Safed initiated a call urging Jews to refrain from renting or selling apartments to non-Jews.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...torah-1.329327


pay close attention to the website name HAARETZ , pay close attention to article title
RACISM ORIGINATED IN THE TORAH

pay close attention to the words "TOP RABBIS"

pay close attention to "Dozens of Israel's municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling"

pay close attention to the DATE of the article..

Ok, now THAT was Funny. Sincerely thank you for that! LMAO!!



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Ouchh looks like BONZO and DEMON got owned yet AGAIN.

You two are making Jews look bad. If I was a Jew I'd pretend I didn't know you two, I'd say look at those two Goyim pretending they're Jewish.

So many Jews are intelligent and can do so much, what happened to you two losers??

Oh the irony of smokeys statement lol

Moe, you've been making Muslims look bad for years, thanks for providing years of entertainment. You teach kids to stay in school.

Have nothing to say for yourself, goy?? Can only attack other people without coming up with something intelligent to say, goy?? You two are such goyim it disgusts me and I'm not even Jewish!

Not a Muslim, have said that before, but I figured a goy like you would need to hear it another time. Do your parents know you two pretend to be Jewish, goyim??

so your argument is i wont find one single rabbi and i found dozens of the top rabbis in the home of the jews

you argue the website is anti-semitic and neo-nazi even though it is the top jewish website in the world.

you argue the torah says everyone is equal , even though the top rabbi's in israel say RACISM ORIGINATED IN THE TORAH

And the self pwnage continues. Priceless:)

Fair enough.... Apparently there are some very screwed up Rabbi's out there. I'm ashamed of them, and my (Conservative) Rabbi would be ashamed also.



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Ohhhhhhhhhhh snnnnnnaaaaapppppppppp owwwnnnnnnneeeeddddd.

And it's not the Rabbis. They are your top religious leaders stating that the entire religion is based on racism. Judaism = racism. Ouch.

Looks like you are just another one of the goyim to those guys bonzo.

How does it feel to be one of us goyim??

those are the leading rabbi's in israel.. the people who speak for jews..

thank you for an honest retort though , as i said before i don't hate jews , i hate racists, most hardcore religious people are racist because most religions are based on racism/hatred, they are also based on love/equality , some people focus on the good , some the bad.. i love faith , i wish i could have more faith. i respect faith, i respect religion, i dont respect racists or racism.

They don't speak for Jews they just pretend they do.

the exit door is over there "demon" heh

Great movie. Totally forgot Billy Zane was in it. He's a cool guy.

I know but making you look dumb is just too much fun.

<3 SmokeyTheBear

There is no such thing as a "Top religious leader" in Judaism, every opinion is open to debate and development within the community..... No one is held to some kind of unchanging dogma, the conversation is forever ongoing....

and I thought the point of this discussion was an adult debate, not some high-school type locker room shout-down.

From the tone of your post I would have to assume that you would never change your mind or admit you are wrong in ANY debate. What's the point in discussion if your objective is "winning" rather than learning and expanding?



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well the people who "pretend" they speak for jews "worlds top rabbis" agree they are racists and the torah is racist. i understand the true speaker of the jews is on gfy.com and telling me that his opinion is more important than the top jewish figures :) i just find it a bit strange ok..:winkwink:

There are a lot of rabbis that represent the Jewish people. The ones you mentioned are a minority, thanks for proving my point.

Of course I would change my mind.

If you showed me that the Torah (the holy book of all Judaism) wasn't based on religion, I would agree that Judaism isn't a racist/bigoted religion.

My objective isn't winning, it's exactly what you said it is, to learn things.

But now let's reverse the question. You were clearly shown top Rabbis saying that the Torah is racist. All of Judaism is built on the Torah. And yet you still claim that Judaism isn't racist. Who doesn't want to change their point of view again? Who doesn't want to learn again?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

And you never answered my question, how does it feel to be a goyim??

Ahahahahah TheDemon owned again trying to fiddle his way out of the argument.

Haha moe still getting his ass kicked on a daily basis because he's incompetent.

haaretz is a left wing (pro muslim) newspaper, no wonder smokey likes it lol

cmon now.. true there is no "pope" but even you must admit they are WIDELY known as the top religious figures in the jewish community , correct or incorrect ?

exactly , so before you go shouting "ANTI_SEMITE" and NEO-NAZI you should ask someone in a debate type retort , correct or incorrect ?

i could say the same thing about you.. the fact is i made an opinion based statement to begin with and you jumped down my throat about it instead of simply discussing it. you shot it right down saying LIE when infact it was the truth as widely known, not only did i post fact i posted fact from YOUR OWN sources , not a biased outside source.

instead of debating it , you wrote it off as anti-semitic and neo-nazi when infact it was quite the opposite .

i am stubborn , but not a rock, i am always open to change.. you must admit religion is a bit of a handicap in being open to change , your opinion is guided by faith and facts you cant change , mine is not.

you made it a contest , you called it LIES instead of discussing the facts behind the statement.. so in your mind , after i proved my facts you "lost". You may feel you lost , but i didn't "win" unless i changed your mind.

i will try to be more "moveable" in my responses :)

I have honestly never met a Jew. Only Kyle from South Park. :jerkoff

Haha duh

i am not jewish, i have no idea your hierarchy, they are touted by jews on the top jewish website and major news sites as leading rabbis. perhaps you should focus your anger on the jewish community falsely claiming who their leaders are.. instead of me posting what your own leaders are telling the world.. but apparently some guy on gfy says is not true.





you had a point ?

A Serious Man - Goy's Teeth scene
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YUTyEEiulQk (embedding disabled)

why because muslims aren't racist ? u fail

top religious muslims are just as racist as top jews from where i sit. i bet you can't say the same can you lol... must suck in these situations being a racist haha

so just to make sure we are clear. you disagree with them correct or incorrect ?

You think non jews are just as clean as jews correct or incorrect ?

You think the torah is not racist correct or incorrect ?

You think the top rabbi's in israel do not represent judaism or speak for jews correct or incorrect ?

Jezuz, will it go to a page #3? This thread needs Jewish girl pic:

http://www.hotncurrent.com/wp-conten...ie-portman.jpg

ok you lose the bet, what do I win?

As a Jew who is educated in his religion, they do not speak for everybody and I think they're as dumb as Moe.

There's no difference between the two. I think we do a better job of keeping our religion going or as gonzo said, adapting, but in the grand scheme of things, ours is just one path to god, not THE path to god.

Taken in proper context with the explanations given by the Tanaim, correct.

Already addressed.

oy vey ......

First of all, I never said they were "LIES". It was a comprehensive answer to your first post regarding the quote that you put up, and it explained in depth.



Second, the post that you are responding to was made moeloubani.... Who was "spiking the ball" when I admitted that I was wrong about something that you had posted. Kind of funny really. He was dancing a juvenile victory dance to take credit for a point that YOU had made rather than himself, and in the meantime I was at least big enough to say that I was wrong about those dumb Rabbi's in the news story.



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If you were Jewish, you would know that there are no "Top" anything. A news agency with a political agenda, (any agenda or new agency you wish to pick), can frame an article how they like, but as I have said many times in this thread, one of the abiding aspects of Judaism is that all are encouraged to constantly discuss, argue, hold opinions on, and sometimes vehemently disagree with, other Jews about the meanings of texts, the tenants of the Talmud, and the traditions themselves, and to promote the evolution of Judaism over time

This is why holding on to our history so fiercely is held to be so important, since with the changing of pretty much everything else over time, knowing our history is the only thing that ensures that we do not completely lose our identity as a people. (Not race, but people, look at the massive influx of black Ethiopian Jews into Israel in the 80s and 90s).

And yet again, having said all that, there are NO TOP RABBI's in Judaism, and even widely recognized and respected ones don't expect anyone to take their opinions as an edict, and are always argued with, and their thoughts pulled apart and debated.


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This. It's humorous when someone tries to be an expert in something outside his scope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Rabbi

That shows that Judaism does clearly have 'top Rabbis'.

You have no idea what you're talking about Bonzo. How pathetic.

With every new word you say you prove more and more that you're just another goyim.

You never answered my question about how it feels to be a goy?

Isn't it, TheDemon? Like when you agree with Bonzo and then both of you are proven wrong? Is that what you mean? You're just another goyim just like he is, you have no idea about true Judaism, goy.

Damn right I was spiking the ball. It isn't YOU who decides what is Jewish and what isn't, it is those top Rabbis. YOU don't just decide something is Jewish and ignore what they say, otherwise we're all Jewish because I say so. Face it dude, you're just another goyim.

My god, you are a moron. Did you even bother to read the article or did you link to it? Once again, you are a stupid human being.