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u-Bob 06-23-2011 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18235211)
Technology licensing rewards the inventors and grows the company and allows continued innovation.
Patent = a license to use the power of the state to exclude other people or companies from the market.

Patent = a license to use the power of the state to stop people from using a certain technology even if they developed it independently from you, even if they developed it 100 years before you did.

thickcash_amo 06-23-2011 05:27 PM
Apple is the worst, and going to take over technology if we let them

Tempest 06-23-2011 05:44 PM
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This patent, first submitted to the US Patent Office on December 19th 2007, gives Apple the ability to sue any of its competitors who sell mobile devices with multi-touch hardware.
Interesting how it's a narrow patent applying only to mobile devices.

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multi-touch refers to a touch sensing surface's (trackpad or touchscreen) ability to recognize the presence of two or more points of contact with the surface. This plural-point awareness is often used to implement advanced functionality such as pinch to zoom or activating predefined programs.
Here's where it will get interesting in terms of it being able to be held up in a court of law.

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One of the early implementations of mutual capacitance touchscreen technology was developed at CERN in 1977 based on their capacitance touch screens developed in 1972 by Danish electronics engineer Bent Stumpe.
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Multi-touch technology began in 1982, when the University of Toronto's Input Research Group developed the first human-input multi-touch system.
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In 1983, Bell Labs at Murray Hill published a comprehensive discussion of touch-screen based interfaces. In 1984, Bell Labs engineered a touch screen that could change images with more than one hand. In 1985, the University of Toronto group including Bill Buxton developed a multi-touch tablet that used capacitance rather than bulky camera-based optical sensing systems.
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A breakthrough occurred in 1991, when Pierre Wellner published a paper on his multi-touch "Digital Desk", which supported multi-finger and pinching motions.
And here's why Apple thinks they own it...

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The company Fingerworks developed various multi-touch technologies between 1999 and 2005, including Touchstream keyboards and the iGesture Pad. Several studies of this technology were published in the early 2000s by Alan Hedge, professor of human factors and ergonomics at Cornell University. Apple acquired Fingerworks and its multi-touch technology in 2005. Mainstream exposure to multi-touch technology occurred in 2007 when the iPhone gained popularity, with Apple stating they 'invented multi touch' as part of the iPhone announcement, however both the function and the term predate the announcement or patent requests, except for such area of application as capacitive mobile screens, which did not exist before Fingerworks/Apple's technology

rowan 06-23-2011 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18235211)
Peeps... if Apple invented it and awarded the patent, they own it. How can you talk like this yet be against Tube sites at the same time?
You can't compare them directly, because an idea for something may be independently conceived and developed by more than one person. The fuss seems to be about Apple patenting something that they don't have a right to patent (because of prior art), rather than them coming up with something genuinely unique.

If you want to further your tube stealing analogy, tube sites would need to display content that hasn't actually been shot yet. :winkwink:

input 06-23-2011 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18236625)
Interesting how it's a narrow patent applying only to mobile devices.



Here's where it will get interesting in terms of it being able to be held up in a court of law.


And here's why Apple thinks they own it...

all that means is those companies prior to Fingerworks may use their technology in their applications without fear of reprisal, since they demonstrated prior use. If those companies didn't patent their multi-touch, Apple has free roam on everyone else (excl. cern, bell labs et al) to force licensing.

If Fingerworks held the patent and Apple bought Fingerworks, Apple "invented" multitouch and holds the patent. That is the one of the whole strategic reasons companies buy out others :2 cents:

Nathan 06-24-2011 12:05 AM
Multi-Touch from a pure TECHNICAL standpoint is actually not at all the same as a touch screen.

This is nothign about "use two fingers to turn an image" crap.. this is a TECHNOLOGY patent about the TECH of our the multi-touch works. A normal touch screen back in the day was pressure sensetive, or at least could not distinguish multiple fingers. Apples tech actually is a system to distinguish any number of touches on a device. THIS is what they patented, and I do not think anyone else had it before.. if anyone did, then the patent is invalid or is moved to the company that did it before, thats how patents work...

Nathan 06-24-2011 12:09 AM
should have read tempest's post :) ... guess its not that easy..

SmokeyTheBear 06-24-2011 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by input (Post 18236989)
If Fingerworks held the patent and Apple bought Fingerworks, Apple "invented" multitouch and holds the patent. That is the one of the whole strategic reasons companies buy out others :2 cents:
if you baked a cake and i bought your house, it doesn't mean i baked the cake , it simply means i bought the house the cake was baked in :)

"inventing" something cannot be bought or sold.

It would be like saying the king of spain found america not christopher columbus

Tempest 06-24-2011 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by input (Post 18236989)
all that means is those companies prior to Fingerworks may use their technology in their applications without fear of reprisal, since they demonstrated prior use. If those companies didn't patent their multi-touch, Apple has free roam on everyone else (excl. cern, bell labs et al) to force licensing.

If Fingerworks held the patent and Apple bought Fingerworks, Apple "invented" multitouch and holds the patent. That is the one of the whole strategic reasons companies buy out others :2 cents:
Fingerworks didn't have a patent.. multi-touch was invented long before.. What Apple appears to be trying to do is patent the application of multi-touch on mobile devices.

Dirty Dane 06-24-2011 12:34 AM
Trust me, military invented the technology long long long before Apple. But I don't think they will "patent" it in public :)

Django 06-24-2011 12:58 AM
... a short note on patriotism

Electronic device employing a touch sensitive transducer - United States Patent 5920310

Inventor
Federico Faggin

Assignee
Synaptics


source: http://www.directorypatent.com/US/5920310.html


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