Thanks Charlie & John. I really appreciate it.

Hey man! I knew i must have liked you for a reason. Never knew you were Asshole tho.

It looks like there will be an army of bikers and other groups prepared to keep these fucks away. My sister found out about this before me and has already prepared and talked to them.

Post this on reddit. You'll get lots of eyeballs and attention from groups that may be able to help you. Good luck!

No. I don't believe the soldiers are over there fighting for our free speech. I don't believe they are fighting for our rights. I don't think they've done so since, most likely, the civil war.

They have every right to protest and I have every right to be pissed off and upset about it. I'm not a violent person and never have been. If I was to do something violent, it would be my own fault and there would be consequences. Luckily, it doesn't appear that I'll need to do anything remotely like that. As I said earlier, i might make a sign like the guy somewhere way up ^ there. "Fuck this guy" or something similar.

Thanks, I guess... Alex. :eek7

My sister requested that I not do that. The Patriot Guard Riders also suggested not to do things like that as it just gives the WBC more attention.

:thumbsup A sign is the best way to go, maybe pictures of all the guys that were against being gay then turned out to be gay and then one more with a question mark and an arrow pointing at the protestors?

skip ahead to about 45 seconds.




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Hope that everything works out and you and your family get the respect and piece that you deserve right now.

My condolences.

Violence will never solve the problem just a quick fix to know you still have a stand. Still a Right!!!! Right?

Man, we do not know each other deep, but I do feel you on this level of fuckedupness.
Play this card carefully, with the utmost of focus on what will make any of this blown confusion, your reality, make anymore logic to You. I cant put myself in your feelings on this, can only keyboard warrior the situation and react thus far.
Damnmit wish I had more to offer, and if you need anything outside of this board contact mark2builttolast.com Take care of you and yours

Better question would be, cue the live feed and air time......mic to the soldier...Son, what are you here fighting for? odd silence and then, Infill whatever the fuck works........cue the democratic response... That's a take says the producer!!!!! these Men have not a clue except what they are fed. And to take a bullet and come home to be ostracized in the eyes of the ones that never had a voice, that is the Crime!

Marcus Bachmann?

Thanks other Adam @ fyc.

You tell them buddy - show them god hates them. Assholes, not fit to stand in the presence of real courage and sacrifice.

Best reply so far... What you and your family as to go threw is sad. Best of luck from up north

:1orglaugh I'm 100% sure John and Charlie have the resources to bail me out if need be. I love those guys.

Uno sorry for your loss, I can't believe the disrespect some people show to those who help protect them.

what is their motive anyway? I never really understood that part of their protests...


Things you can't say legally despite free speech:

"I'm going to kill you"

anything relating to bombs on air planes

insult an officer of the law

swear excessively in a public place.

threaten to attack a government leader.

intimidate others verbally warning of physical harm (this is considered assault here)



This is just a handful of things you can't say... but there are much more, so freedom of speech arguments are completely out the window sorry. All they would have to do is to toss in a law saying nobody is to protest a funeral within 2 miles of the service and problem is solved.

I hate these media whoring scumbags. They picketed a funeral 7 children killed in a house fire. http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...rch_plans.html

I'm sorry for the loss of your brother in law. His service to our country is honorable. Don't let his memory be tarnished by these idiots.

I don't pretend to know anything about Canadian law, but in the US, this has been tried several times in the circuit courts and yes, it has been deemed free speech (especially since it is political speech)


As much as I despise it, and it disgusts me, the courts say it's free speech.



.:2 cents:

Its pretty pathetic when people are trying to suggest or argue that soldiers are fighting for ones right to be as hurtful, mean and offensive as humanly possible or to the extent that the law allows. The intent of freedom of speech is about the freedom to say what you think/feel without fear of repercussions by authorities. It is an idea that certainly didn't foresee a bunch of twisted assholes trying to be as hurtful and mean as possible to grieving families and friends by inciting hatred during a difficult time.

They're assholes. Don't stoop to their level, though.

My dads with the patriot guard in michigan, hasn't had to deal with the idiots yet but just the guards presence is a nice show of respect. I hope the event is peaceful and provides some closure for the family of the fallen...

hang in there uno.

That seems to work well and is totally legal. :2 cents:

surprised people with masks don't beat the fuck out of them while people turn away.

just because you can do something legally - mock the dead - doesn't mean it is right morally, ethically, or human.

Those idiots are fucked in the head. May your brother-in-law rest in peace and be laid to rest with the respect he deserves.

As is the case with many general observations about free speech jurisprudence, the proper response to your point is "Yes, but...." ;-)

Glen is correct that passing a law requiring that the protest must be held at a distance removed from the service would hold up as Constitutional. The 2-mile threshold might be more than the Court would provide for, but laws requiring such protests to be out of sight of the funeral, and conducted either before or after the services have withstood court scrutiny, and will continue to, because the Government is allowed to impose "time, place and manner" restrictions on speech in certain conditions, if the court deems the balance of the competing interests in play to weigh in favor of such regulation.

In the recent case that Westboro triumphed in at the Supreme Court, the Phelps clan was sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress (among other claims), but since they had followed local laws when conducting the 'protest' in question, and there was no overt attempt to harm the plaintiff directly (in the eyes of the court, at least), the appellate court's overturning of the original jury verdict in favor of the plaintiff was upheld.

So.... yes; the courts have held what Westboro does to be free speech, but the courts also permit restrictions on how and where they express their vile point of view. :2 cents:

Will all these crazed gunmen in the news you would think one of them might consider doing a public service and picking these protesters as their next target. At least the world would be cheering them and would always be remembered as heroes. Seriously these assholes do not deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us.

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This is what I would do... I would find out who the leaders of their "religion" are, where their church is etc and I would turn the tables on them. I would do everything legally to harass them in the same manner but 10x without breaking the law. Use the same laws that give them rights to do this against them.

The problem with this types of assholes that want to tell everyone else how to live, is that they get to go be assholes and upset people then they get to go home and live their lives without ever experiencing the same treatment back. They take a couple hours out of their day to make your life miserable, then they go home and its a normal day for them. Fuck them, bring it back to them and let them experience what they dish out.

Hire private investigators to dig up dirt on them and expose them, run background checks, do everything you can to make their lives miserable back. Maybe then they will realize what it feels like and for once think, why can't people just worry about themselves and leave others alone when its none of their business.

Use social media to organize others to help you, facebook, twitter. There has to be 1000's of people in your area that hate these fucks and feel the same way you do and you can organize to throw it back at them 24/7.


Don't break the law, but turn the tables and use it against them. Also don't organize against them at the funeral, if you get two sides yelling at each other that plays into their hands by giving them more media attention. One group of nuts protesting will get some media attention, two groups of people wanting to kill each other will get extra police out, and tons more media attention. As much as it hurts let them do their thing, ignore them then fucking throw it back it them 100x worst. Go to their homes, church etc with groups of people and protest their asses. You know 1/2 of them likely have sketchy pasts and criminal records, dig up the dirt, expose them for being hypocrites and make their lives miserable.

Question: your bro in law was married obviously, why is "god hates fags" people there anyway ?

I honestly wish these fuckers would get smacked down. Hard.

I reembered when my step dad died, he had Marines from Sacramento drive up and the VFW giving a 21 gun salute. I think about half the crowd there had carry permits, so I could just imagine what would have happened if they were to protest that group.

I just think doing a drive by with 4 people in the back of a van with full auto paintball guns with frozen paint balls would be fun!!!!

I see it like this. there are some things that are worth getting arrested over and going to jail over. Force the legal system to publicly label you the bad one. I don't see many juries convicting on that.

Honestly, I believe if they show up they deserve a beating. I'll clarify my response though, I don't think they deserve to be killed. If they die in course of that beating, and the beating didn't go so far as to be shown as intentional to kill, just to beat, then so be it. I know that's not legal, but to mess with a grieving widow who lost her husband in service of your nation isn't cool. Fuck free speech, there are limits on humanity.

best advise here. :thumbsup

mind you red paint unfrozen would be cool too

best advice is someone using their mind to come up with a plan that will cause them the most discomfort opposed to an emotional, physical reaction that is going to end up putting you in jail. If someone really did want to physically hurt them and take the chance you would be better off planning an attack, when no one was around, telling no one that you did it. Unless if you want to be a martyr, but martyrs are just idiots. Why sacrifice yourself, when you can do so much more damage if you use your brain.

my understanding is that anything requiring jail time you can request a jury.... if you're on a jury, would you convict?

Is this happening today Uno ?

I'm so sorry for your loss. Your poor family! Having to deal with these selfish, horrible assholes on such an already tragic occasion is just sick.

I think I am going to be arrested EVERY weekend... Baptist church or not.. :2 cents:

My paintball gun is not allowed at most parks, I've um modified it a little?
Full auto and the feeder forces the paintballs into the gun to keep it shooting, I modified the pressure valve to get better range, hurts like I mofo I bet with frozen balls of any color, I was thinking red , white and blue!!!

yes.

I would sympathize, but if someone killed someone else for protesting then yes I would convict the person who fired the gun. They are much better ways to use your head to take care of things legally. As much as we don't like some laws, we still need them, but if we are smart we can learn how to use them to our advantage as well.

the one time all of gfy agrees and and is on the same page. peace and respect to your family. it will be ok.

just understand people on a low level of psychological and spiritual development will do anything to bring you down to their level. as much as i would love to kick their ass, don't play their game. just give respect and love.

fuck some people are evil.

Thank god for IEDs?

Mother fuckers!

That shit isnt cool at all. Id be there with you Uno. watching the blood dry.

Sorry your family has to go through this and for your loss.

They messed with the wrong guy in MD and got a money judgment on them. It may have been overturned or they may not have money ... its been awhile.

If they show up, try to find a veteran lawyer that will work pro bono for your family. There are benefits for the lawyer going to battle against them, you just need to find one who welcomes the attention.

Kill them or organize a flash mob to beat the fuck/kill them. They can't arrest everybody. God told you to do it. God hates the Phelps.

WBC has found many of our weakness's , why not try it against them.. what do they hate most ? gays... why not hire gays to dance around them everywhere they go..

Something tells me that Fred Phelps would be in heaven on earth if that were to happen. That man must have some SERIOUS unresolved sexuality issues.