Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18341978)

I can answer it... many of the super corps would continue to push and fund new laws, that remove old laws, which allows them to work around current regs. Basically legal ways to screw us over. Exactly like what has been happening, and without the workers voice and power to say, hell no, we will continue to get walked all over.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18342019)

Dyna mo, I am your father...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/...d3a16a9c2e.jpg

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18342001)

i see, makes sense except for you stating the problem is currently happening and we have unions.

example-

OP cited


but in truth, congress said nope.
http://www.aclu.org/womens-rights/se...ss-act-forward

unions had no impact.

see what i am getting at? they do not help against issues such as you mention, at the same time they increase wages/costs and protect less than average work effort.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18341985)

So you held a $70K a year job in the 1990's, and decided to voluntarily leave?

I guess you did the right thing, as soon thereafter Pacific Bell was bought out by AT&T, who instantly cut the workforce by nearly half.

The big corporations... ummm, I mean. "the job creators" fixed the imbalance for you.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342062)

haha what a joke. They get their foot in one door in an industry, example: nursing homes, and then they basically strong arm their way into almost every business in that industry. It has nothing to do with companies not taking care of their employees. They come in, lie to them and tell them they can get them wages that are impossible to achieve, then once they are in and the employees realize they were lied to, it is impossible to get rid of them.

This is from first hand experience.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342080)

You seem to think unions just form out of thin air in businesses that must be mistreating employees. How do you then explain the CAW (Canadian Auto Workers) expanding to almost every nursing home in the province of Ontario, even taking over other unions that were already in place? What great knowledge they have with the nursing home industry, with all their experience in auto plants.

If you think this is about righting wrongs or protecting employees you are sadly mistaken. It is just another business, and the various unions will even fight amongst each other and try to force other unions out of an industry so they can line their pockets. Our employees actually had to take a cut in pay after the union came into place. What a joke. And that's not including the incredible amount of union dues they have to pay.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342159)

The only thing they had in common was they were a union and they decided they wanted to push out the SEIU. They literally had guys at the bargaining table that had only ever dealt with auto plants before. No experience with nurses at all. FACT.

I also know exactly why they come about, and I don't care what someone who has no experience in the matter says. You're like arguing with Gideon about copyright infringement.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 18342176)

Democrats love the unions. The unions fund the elections for the democrats who in turn give the unions more power and money to build more unions in as many businesses as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 18342176)

Democrats love the unions. The unions fund the elections for the democrats who in turn give the unions more power and money to build more unions in as many businesses as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342185)

People working without pay, that's a new one! Do you know what the fine would be based on the Employment Standards Act for making someone work without pay? We would be fined out of business for making someone work without pay.

A doctor working for no pay? We can hardly get them to show up when we are paying them, they push it off onto nurse practitioners if we're lucky.

You act like we are some crooked corporation who doesn't give a shit about employees. My dad used to drive to employees houses in his 4X4 to pick them up in snowstorms when they couldn't make it in, because their husbands were to lazy to drive them.

Once the unions came in all the freebies stopped.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342204)

It's a nursing home, moron. They're are 60 people here that need the nurses here to change them, feed them, give them medicine. If the nurses don't show up, people die.

That is why we have over 80 employees, we need to have enough on hand at all times to make sure everyone can be replaced.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18342189)

Here, I fixed this for you...

Republicans love the big corporations. Their lobbyists fund the elections for the Republicans who in turn give the ultra-wealthy more power and money to benefit the CEOs and top 2% in as many businesses as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 18342222)

Yes,they do. It's part of being a producer. How many jobs does a union create?


I can drive the local area now and take pictures of over 10million sq feet of empty manufacturing plants that closed because they lost their competitive edge against Asian labor. The unions didn't know when to back off. Now they are gone.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18342233)

Hahaha... so the non-union corps should be rocking it then.

Unions or not, we can't complete with $3 a month wages.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342236)

Union had no affect on staffing patterns at all. Now we just don't let employees get away with taking snow days off. If they don't show up they get written up. Great benefit to the employees!!!!

Keep trying!

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 18342249)

I did. We hired 40 new employees last year. We invested over $5m in new equipment in the last 36 months and are putting on another 60k sq ft to our main plant. When it's finished we will add another 50+ jobs. With health,dental,life and 401k. We had a couple of guys try to start a union a few years ago. They were voted down by a large majority.

I can take you to hundreds of small business like mine that are doing just fine. We are growing and we are making money.

Large corporations that are stuck with unions are the ones having the problems.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342301)

The only benefit the union had was to relieve them of $100 a month or so in union dues. NOTHING else changed in our home, other than us stopping some of the freebies we used to give out. No more free booze at the staff Christmas party. No more free rides to work.

They actually get less in raises every year now since the union came in, since we have to follow whatever the master bargaining group does.

You pretending like you know anything about our situatiuon is really rather pathetic.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18341836)

The BULK of the list is stuff you will get today, with or without a union.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18342409)

That is interesting coming from a former telecommunications worker (you) who most likely had a solid union paying job, wages, and benefits for many years.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342405)

Apparently you weren't following my conversation when I said:

"Union had no affect on staffing patterns at all."

We've always had around 80 to make sure we have the floor covered. The Union can't tell us how to run the place, because they don't know how. They are just there to skim off of the employees and to cost us more in legal fees come bargaining time. We are regulated by the ESA and the Long Term Care Homes Act.

If I only have experience from the other side of the fence, then you must be outside the city limits. Typical union mentality as well, the ideas and thoughts from management have no bearing on anything. Only the workers matter. That is what almost ruined the auto industry. Very clear.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18342416)

Precisely. And I was a union insider, so when I say they have outlived their usefulness you can take it to the bank.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18342431)

Yes, we know you said that "AFTER" I posted what I did.... you suck at this game.

End of the day, I don't give a shit about your Canadian unions... but... Canadian or not, only a complete idiot thinks they're of no good, have no benefits, and do nothing.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18342435)

I know a person that is the head of the union and he sings a different song.... oh he doesn't praise the union... don't get me wrong, but he damn sure doesn't deny what the corp has done to them and the need for the union.

If you were an insider... then you know the corp wasn't playing nice from day one, otherwise, you're full of shit.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18342189)

Here, I fixed this for you...

Republicans love the big corporations. Their lobbyists fund the elections for the Republicans who in turn give the ultra-wealthy more power and money to benefit the CEOs and top 2% in as many businesses as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18342438)

relax, there's really no need to call people idiots about the matter simply because we don't share your view.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342490)

I can't help it if you're stupid enough to think an auto union would come into a nursing home and tell them how to properly staff their facility. If you don't know anything about a subject you should probably keep your mouth shut.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18342511)

He's an idiot.. straight up.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18342481)

Please do not imply that I am a liar. If you read my post I said they outlived their usefulness, which means at one point in time they were not only useful but desired. Required even. But those days are long gone and I will gladly debate your union head friend about that fact. Debating a bunch of people that have never really been involved is pointless.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18342534)

oh, i thought you were referring to me/ the rest of us that see it differently.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18342553)

oh no, not at all... I would make a new post for that and call everyone out equally if that was the case :)

I don't care if someone supports or does not support them... but I do find the person/people to be a bit naive of history and current events, if they don't think they aren't needed today. And even more so if they can't find any benefit in them, at all... at that point, I have to classify the person as an idiot.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18342615)

That's the whole point retard, there are already strict regulations in place that cover worker safety, staffing requirements, etc. They were all developed and are enforced by various branches of the government.