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_Richard_ 08-11-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18347565)
what story would that be?

the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do

Sly 08-11-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347680)
the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do

Not finding anything.

Why would you mention an obscure story and then refuse to post information about it?

dyna mo 08-11-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347680)
the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do

of course i have google and i used it in this instance- results = nada

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...triking+unions

thus my asking you what story are you talking about.

Sly 08-11-2011 10:53 AM

Okay, I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...military_force

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 10:55 AM

oh weird.. you guys are having trouble pulling up results

how.. odd.

baddog 08-11-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18347565)
what story would that be?

Back in the day, union busting used to be a lot harsher than what WI is doing today. While I am confident the US military never got involved in union busting, he may be referring to Hooverville and when the Army was called in to remove the occupants during the Great Depression


_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:09 AM

woo forgive my sassiness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

even this is incorrect lol private planes in 1921 with access to ordinance from ww1? haha

baddog 08-11-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347771)
woo forgive my sassiness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

even this is incorrect lol private planes in 1921 with access to ordinance from ww1? haha

You like to spin everything you can to be anti-US even if it means making shit up. :2 cents:

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:13 AM

here is a 'less edited' version of the story

http://www.redneckpossum.com/BattleOfBlairMountain.htm

victors do write the history apparently

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18347786)
You like to spin everything you can to be anti-US even if it means making shit up. :2 cents:

a personal attack based on nothing? why baddog, i am disappoint

dyna mo 08-11-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347712)
oh weird.. you guys are having trouble pulling up results

how.. odd.

no reason to be defensive.

you can make this about my google skills all you want and maybe i am not the top notch googler, yawn, but i simply inquired as to what story you are talking about.

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18347801)
no reason to be defensive.

you can make this about my google skills all you want and maybe i am not the top notch googler, yawn, but i simply inquired as to what story you are talking about.

i make what about you? i was stating that i had a lot more difficulty finding this information this time around than i did before, why i was apologizing for my sassiness

dyna mo 08-11-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347787)
here is a 'less edited' version of the story

http://www.redneckpossum.com/BattleOfBlairMountain.htm

victors do write the history apparently

The fledgling United States Army Air Service dropped a few pipe and tear gas bombs as a demonstration meant to overawe the labor organizers.

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18347811)
The fledgling United States Army Air Service dropped a few pipe and tear gas bombs as a demonstration meant to overawe the labor organizers.

keep reading :thumbsup

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:20 AM

i like this sentence the best:

"On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used to disperse the miners, a rare example of Air Power being used by the federal government against US citizens."

dyna mo 08-11-2011 11:23 AM

i read the whole thing.

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:25 AM

wonderful.

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:26 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Dx5pX.jpg

so is this tear gas or pipebomb?

guess you missed the pictures?

baddog 08-11-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347819)
i like this sentence the best:

"On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used to disperse the miners, a rare example of Air Power being used by the federal government against US citizens."

You provided two links and each said the planes were there for different reasons. Naturally, you picked the one that implied "american military bombing striking unions."

Since you were not there, you do not know what really happened. History = his story. I know which story you believe.

12clicks 08-11-2011 11:32 AM

..............

Sly 08-11-2011 11:34 AM

So now we are talking about the possibility of the US military bombing striking unions 50+ years ago?

What that has to do with current union politics, I have no idea.

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18347849)
You provided two links and each said the planes were there for different reasons. Naturally, you picked the one that implied "american military bombing striking unions."

Since you were not there, you do not know what really happened. History = his story. I know which story you believe.

if you weren't either, why are you telling me what i do and do not know?

before i mentioned this you were all 'the US military would NEVER', but we know that is now not true as these magical 'private planes' were armed with military ordinance.

it's funny you bring up the idea of 'twisting history'

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18347866)
So now we are talking about the possibility of the US military bombing striking unions 50+ years ago?

What that has to do with current union politics, I have no idea.

current union politics? or the same politics all along?

Vendzilla 08-11-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18345577)
That's sad... as they aren't the real issue.

As long as Cali has to sell its resources and buy back at a loss, it will always be screwed. Even if you removed every illegal and it cost the State nothing, the State would still be screwed. However, more border security, simply means that money will be moved, not saved and then add in the loss tax revenue, micro economy they do create, etc, even more lost. And the same real problems still in place....

We don't need to add more border control, we need to shut off the silver spoon, we voted to pass prop 187 but we were denied by one fucktard judge. It would have saved the state BILLIONS. The border security is more for control drug and gun traffic and anyone attemping it should be shot. It won't stop them, but enough of them get shot, less of them to keep trying

dyna mo 08-11-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347840)
http://i.imgur.com/Dx5pX.jpg

so is this tear gas or pipebomb?

guess you missed the pictures?

i wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what that is. and there were no pics on the link i clicked so yes, i missed the pictures. :-(

baddog 08-11-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347869)
before i mentioned this you were all 'the US military would NEVER', but we know that is now not true as these magical 'private planes' were armed with military ordinance.

and you still have not proven that the US military EVER BOMBED strikers. Crowd control in a riot is not an act of war.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18347878)
current union politics? or the same politics all along?

More of your bullshit . . . I can take care of this

Barry-xlovecam 08-11-2011 11:46 AM

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Feb 28, 2011 ? Just 17 percent of voters in November were from a union household, down from 23 percent in the 2006 midterm elections, according to national ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...holds-in-2010/
I fail to see the relevance today to the current economic situation.
Stale talking point.

You are assuming that the union household voters form a cohesive voting block -- they don't FYI.

baddog 08-11-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18347907)
i wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what that is. and there were no pics on the link i clicked so yes, i missed the pictures. :-(

It is obviously a prototype of an A-bomb. Take off the blinders.


</sarcasm>

dyna mo 08-11-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18347917)
It is obviously a prototype of an A-bomb. Take off the blinders.


</sarcasm>

well played.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18347910)
and you still have not proven that the US military EVER BOMBED strikers. Crowd control in a riot is not an act of war.



More of your bullshit . . . I can take care of this

how does a military bomber disperse a crowd, baddog? who owns private planes in 1921 and how do these private planes get military ordinance?

ahh swearing.

Sunny Day 08-11-2011 12:07 PM

40 hour work week not law until 1932
 
25 June 1938 (United States)
The Wages and Hours (later Fair Labor Standards) Act is passed, banning child labor and setting the 40-hour work week. The Act went into effect in October 1940, and was upheld in the Supreme Court on 3 February 1941.

That's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ues_and_events

You can see how many times troops or Natl. Guardsmen were called out

May 1934 (United States)
Police attacked and fired upon striking Teamster truck drivers in Minneapolis who were demanding recognition of their union, wage increases, and shorter working hours. As violence escalated, Governor Olson went so far as to declare martial law in Minneapolis, deploying 4,000 National Guardsmen. The strike ended on August 21 when company owners finally accepted union demands.

20 April 1914 (United States)
The "Ludlow Massacre." In an attempt to persuade strikers at Colorado's Ludlow Mine Field to return to work, company "guards," engaged by John D. Rockefeller, Jr. and other mine operators and sworn into the State Militia just for the occasion, attacked a union tent camp with machine guns, then set it afire. Five men, two women and 12 children died as a result.[4][5]

Unions did violence too. But guards at Ford plants in the 30's carried Thompson sub-machine guns and used them regularly.

Sunny Day 08-11-2011 12:13 PM

Mitchell was called to use airplanes, did not act
 
From
http://www.wvculture.org/history/jou...h/wvh50-1.html



Even while negotiating with Governor Morgan, General Harbord proceeded with preparations to intervene. On August 26, he sent Bandholtz to prepare for infantry operations and instructed Major General Charles T. Menoher, Chief of the Air Service, to examine Kanawha Field, outside Charleston, to determine its suitability for use in either reconnaissance or tactical air support operations. Later in the day, commander of the First Provisional Air Brigade, Brigadier General Billy Mitchell, personally led a flight of three olive-drab DeHavilland Bombers (DH-4B) from Bolling Field in the District of Columbia to execute Harbord's orders concerning Kanawha Field. Upon landing, Mitchell, never one to mince words about airpower, commented to the press that the Army Air Service, by itself, could end the civil disturbance by dropping canisters of tear gas upon the miners. If that failed he recommended the use of artillery by the ground forces to bring the crisis to a speedy conclusion.31

Fortunately, Billy Mitchell lost the opportunity to demonstrate what tear gas or artillery could do to mountaineers, miners, and immigrants armed with hunting rifles. As soon as Keeney and Mooney read Bandholtz's note and addressed the crowd, the miners decided to call off the march. The two men impressed the group with the seriousness of the current situation and appealed to their loyalty and patriotism. If the march continued, it was stated, it would be done against the direct orders of the President of the United States. The miners would then be facing the entire might of the federal government and the United States Army. For the first time many miners realized that their march was interpreted by federal authorities as a rebellion against the West Virginia and federal governments and not as a justified and righteous struggle against what miners perceived as greedy coal operators, corrupt sheriffs, or ruthless Baldwin-Felts "thugs." As the marchers began to disperse, Keeney and Mooney hurriedly made arrangements with local railroads on August 27 to return the miners to their homes.32

_Richard_ 08-11-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny Day (Post 18348012)
From
http://www.wvculture.org/history/jou...h/wvh50-1.html



Even while negotiating with Governor Morgan, General Harbord proceeded with preparations to intervene. On August 26, he sent Bandholtz to prepare for infantry operations and instructed Major General Charles T. Menoher, Chief of the Air Service, to examine Kanawha Field, outside Charleston, to determine its suitability for use in either reconnaissance or tactical air support operations. Later in the day, commander of the First Provisional Air Brigade, Brigadier General Billy Mitchell, personally led a flight of three olive-drab DeHavilland Bombers (DH-4B) from Bolling Field in the District of Columbia to execute Harbord's orders concerning Kanawha Field. Upon landing, Mitchell, never one to mince words about airpower, commented to the press that the Army Air Service, by itself, could end the civil disturbance by dropping canisters of tear gas upon the miners. If that failed he recommended the use of artillery by the ground forces to bring the crisis to a speedy conclusion.31

Fortunately, Billy Mitchell lost the opportunity to demonstrate what tear gas or artillery could do to mountaineers, miners, and immigrants armed with hunting rifles. As soon as Keeney and Mooney read Bandholtz's note and addressed the crowd, the miners decided to call off the march. The two men impressed the group with the seriousness of the current situation and appealed to their loyalty and patriotism. If the march continued, it was stated, it would be done against the direct orders of the President of the United States. The miners would then be facing the entire might of the federal government and the United States Army. For the first time many miners realized that their march was interpreted by federal authorities as a rebellion against the West Virginia and federal governments and not as a justified and righteous struggle against what miners perceived as greedy coal operators, corrupt sheriffs, or ruthless Baldwin-Felts "thugs." As the marchers began to disperse, Keeney and Mooney hurriedly made arrangements with local railroads on August 27 to return the miners to their homes.32

so the picture of the miners with the bomb is a fake?

Sunny Day 08-11-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18348028)
so the picture of the miners with the bomb is a fake?

I have no clue or clue where/when that picture was taken. Could be a bomb to use on miners, could be a bomb made by miners for all I know.

baddog 08-11-2011 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny Day (Post 18348158)
I have no clue or clue where/when that picture was taken. Could be a bomb to use on miners, could be a bomb made by miners for all I know.

Oh come on. Stop being such a sheep. The only reason thermonuclear devices were not used for union busting is that the strike line was right in front of the businesses. They needed smart bombs.


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