fixed the link for you so it goes directly to the main site instead of a crappy redirect

well.. I can talk on my own and I don't promote any of those CPA or scamming products..

mainstream is huge, and there are so a lot of opportunities.

Following your logics, I can also think that those doing money with webcams or dating, are doing some ewhoring or scamming or cookie stuffing to make money..

If you put a banner on a blog and send 1 million uniques to the sponsor you can get 0 sales... obviously there must be something else, that people keep hiding..

see.. nobody answered me.. that's because they don't want to reveal their nasty secrets, right?

Thats what I was saying - all these (especially profile) are usually very low value pr0 backlinks. While when you do simple link trading in adult you can get 20 authority or semi authority links from HOME pages of decent sites.

You had better be referring to Warrior Forum, because that's what it sounds like, and not my place over at WickedFire. If that's the case, then you're spot on, if you're referring to my forum then thems fighting words, because I have fought that other side of the industry for yearssss... in fact, all of my cc's and IP's are perm banned on Clickbank for destroying so many guru fuckheads' product launches.

There's no use in fighting it much anymore though, because there is just a never ending stream of imbeciles who will buy just about anything, and for every gurufail taken out of the mix, he/she is replaced by 50 more gurufails. If they wanna scam the noobs, let them. Maybe one of those noobs will be a retired Attorney General someday.

Sharing is caring.

These con artists fuck it up for everyone. Once these people get scammed they bail from internet business. Otherwise we all would have more money to be made.

Think of those that mass exit afterwards as less competition ultimately. But most of them do worse than just leave, they stick around and become overnight instant gurus themselves. Its a never ending process.

yes i think everyone assumed warriorforum, you can find some decent info on your board, I think only Brad Gosse that posts here, is on warriorforum, he even tried spamming that god awful easyvideoplayer crap in a flash player thread.

99% of those products are pure scam, all it is , is nice packaging to make the gullable person think they are going to make money, when in fact the owner thats selling the product is the only one making the cash.

Im pretty sure even Brad sells a system for $497 a month, shows the gullable people out there.

The people that peddle that shit in my mind are worse than the people that steal adult content for tube sites.

99% of those products are fraud products, pure and simple.

The only products I have found super useful that I have seen on WF are Popup Domination, FlexSqueeze and Market Samurai - I use all three and am happy to refer people to them as they are good products. Most of the other crap you couldn't refer anyone to without being part of the fraud.

There is no money to be made in "mainstream"!:winkwink:
Now shuffle along...

-=Chipmunk=-

WarriorForum is the main breeding ground of get rich quick scammers. Almost nobody there works in an actual online field and pretty much all of them are broke, so they aren't even good scammers.

^^^ Both of those methods work quite well. Even better when building feeder sites which link to your main site, and then building web 2.0 links etc to the feeder sites.

I can tell by your reply that you've never even tried it. Setup 15 - 20 web 2.0 sites and link them to your main site using good anchor text, and watch how much that alone will boost your ranking. Then link the profiles to your web 2.0 sites. Get it?

ya popup domination and the google video sitemap generator are the only 2 products i would ever recommend to anyone.

havent used market samurai

And I learn something new... Popup Domination is exactly what i've been looking for.

Thanks :thumbsup

Popup Domination is an awesome product, well priced and worth every cent for time saving and simplicity.

Market Samurai changes the way you do keyword research, rank tracking and seo competition analysis and is also worth every cent

both of these are excellent examples of great products introduced on WF.

The trick here is wading through the noise to get the really juicy stuff. Not everything on WF is crap as these products prove.

Ok mate, lets do that. I have domain name for Debrecen Hotels. I will set up seo optimized site on it and then will link from 20 web 2.0 sites. Will post the results. Two questions for you:
Do you think that would be enough to reach top10?
Where can I get an idea of what are the best 20 web 2.0 sites to work on?
I used to do some web 2.0 few years back and it was squidoo, hubpages mostly for me..

On page SEO and high quality content should be the foremost consideration. Secondly lots of relevant pages with high quality content on the main site to capture as many search terms as possible, thirdly natural linking.

With almost 96k exact matches, its going to take a little more work than two tiers of backlinks. But not impossible.

Squidoo, Hubpages, Weebly, Wikia, Wetpaint, Wikispaces, Posterous, Tumblr, Wordpress, Blogspot, Bukisa, Zimbio, Skyrock, MyLivePage.

There are others. Google is your friend.

you are setting yourself for failure. :2 cents:

just keep building until you get where you want.

One more reason to appreciate Jews.

You are not going to find anyone on wicked* to hold your hand. If you were the 1% in affiliate marketing that was making bank consistently, would you show others what exactly you were doing?

For products and services, flip through the index of the yellow pages and brainstorm. There are millions. What hobby or whatever do you enjoy? You can turn some aspect of I it into a semi-automated online business.

The electricity comparison site is example of one key to LONG TERM success, I think - actual value. He explained that the various plan options are so confusing that consumers need help comparing them. He provides the help consumers need. That I think is the big difference between businesses with real long term success versus yet another stupid marketing scam. Provide something of actual value.

The market driven or lifestyle concept is something I'm glad to be reminded of. Know your market and your competency and you can sell alot of things based on that.

For example, for fifteen years we've sold to adult webmasters who frequent popular message boards. That's the who. Our core competency is providing peace of mind through advanced technology. That's what we sell. Whether it's Strongbox, Throttlebox, Clonebox, or something else whenever we launch anything we're offering the latest technology to give you peace of mind that your web business is protected from something. Must customers turn out to be repeat customers buying different things from us because they end up wanting more of what they bought - peace of mind for their web business.

Now our challenge as we take Clonebox mainstream is to find that specific market who will want that kind of peace of mind for their servers, then serve that specific market well.

This discussion has been helpful to me to clarify ideas. I don't claim to be an expert offering advice, but helping myself by discussing with others.

In order to try and be helpful for a change, I shall include two direct links, so everyone knows what is being talked about...

The Warriors --- The Wicked

I personally prefer The Warriors, but feel free to check them both out and decide for yourself...

:thumbsup

Thats what I am talking about when I say ranking adult site is easier for me. For instance "sexy milfs" - that way more exact matches 2.350.000 and I had my blog ion top 10 very there with small amount of work (20 good abc trades + couple links from few mediocre sites of mine). All that work was way easier than creating 20 web 2.0, not to mention creating profiles and also that would not be enough (as you suggest).
I hope that explains where I am coming from when I say ranking with mainstream techniques is way more difficult for me..

How much money do you make from "sexy MILFs"?

Ranking doesn't mean much if you're not making much from it.

SENuke? :error

it only has 12100 local exact searches per month and kind of a vague term so prob not much.

Secret sauce... and no, I will not post the good shit. But with all of this, a complete fucking idiot can make $200k a year.

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repped ...

Some good info in this thread.

I'll add what I've learned over the last few years in mainstream.

1. Check out sites like Flippa, it gives you good insight to different niches of website, how they are making money, how much they are making, traffic levels etc

2. Get on a few of the big mainstream cpa networks and build a good rapport with your affiliate managers. Ask them what offers are doing well for other affiliates who push the same type of traffic as you.

3. Find a traffic source and research, implement the hell out of it.
A particular offer might work on 1 traffic source but not another, once something works - scale.

4. Don't do what everyone else is doing. By the time you hear about PPV, the guys that are established have already made their money with it. There is still money in traffic sources like FB ads, Plentyoffish etc but its not as easy as before.

5. Look for trends, eg. acai, teeth whitening, penny auctions etc. If you can get on things early enough you can make a killing before the FTC steps in :-)

so fucking true man!!!

I still can't believe why the average adult webmaster doesn't understand how to make money in mainstream... well better for me!

but anyway I still dont understand it..

and all of them still think that its al about CPA or spam shit.. and I haven't ever touched CPA or that shit at all and still did pretty good in mainstream in my first year.. im going for second year there.

you mastered mainstream yet you can't make a cam sale. sounds legit.

u are naive if you think that a cam site cannot be set in less than half an hour with a whitelabel..

like a said a trillion times, problem is converting cams using legit methods.

But im sure you convert them using "other" methods.. right? heh.

I have no problem converting cams through legit methods, you must be doing it wrong.

Obviously. I was just elaborating why its more difficult to rank using mainstream tactics. I am just one of those who does not understand why everybody says its easier in mainstream... During my time I heard many people say - if you do well in adult, mainstream would be peace of cake. But it does not look that way for me.

Here's a simple guaranteed way for you to make bank.

1. Find a niche where people pay for a service they need, where there is a pain of disconnect, where there are several competing players in the marketplace, where there is some confusion about payment plans. Essential services like electricity, natural gas, mobile telephones, internet access are the best.

2. Become an affiliate of all of the competing players and make a deal for ongoing commissions based on the customers monthly, quarterly or yearly expenditure.

3. Create a site which offers comparison calculators, a step by step question and answer automated assessment of the customers needs, simplify the plans in the basic need to know information then present all that in an easy to understand, nicely designed format. If you can use an automated q&a calculator you can help make the decision for them.

4. Assuming you are promoting electricity companies, which is what I do, run ads in your local area offering free, easy comparison of services to get the best deal. What you are offering people is a chance to ensure that they save the most for the service and the way they use it.

5. Run a PR campaign in the local press about electricity companies over charging consumers and the best way to ensure the best deals is to use the comparison website. Most local papers will offer great free advertorial if you negotiate it with your display ad cost.

6. Keep a moderate budget adwords, facebook, local media campaign going. Keep a self run almost free aggressive SEO keyword based campaign going, continually creating content on feeder sites which you own which link to your own site, keep spreading this network of sites as far and wide as possible.

7. Every time someone compares and then signs up to one of the compared services you make money. Then every time they pay their next monthly bill you make money. If the customer feels they need to switch then they may go back to your site and the worst that will happen is that they will switch from one provider to another and you keep earning from them.

8. Continue to develop trust with the customers with your own direct mail campaign, via email have them sign up to your list and infrequently but regularly send them special offers. For example for my electricity comparison sites I send out offers for things like "Have 2 nights in a Melbourne Hotel for just $90 and use the money you saved on your electricity" or "New energy saving airconditioners" (remember I have collected data about each person when they have done the Q&A self assesment, I already know if they have three kids and a cheap weekend in a city hotel would be a nice thing for them. I even know how many heaters, air conditioners, televisions, computers they have) - each of these offers are affiliate based but seem helpful to the consumer. At Christmas time send them a Christmas postcard reminding them of your service or even recommending your mobile phone comparison site as they already are users of your electricity comparison site. Almost NOBODY online does direct snail mail, when you do and it's creative it's remembered and it's cheap and easy to do.

9. Run random very cheap marketing such as Sponsor a marathon runner, run a competition, supply your local pub with free web hosting and create them a free website in exchange for placing perspex covered posters in the toilets advertising your comparison site, people like to look at something at the urinal, implant your message in their mind, their wife has probably been complaing about the rising cost of electricity, let them feel better having been at the pub for 4 hours to come home with a great idea to save on the electricity bill. Once you make a deal like that you own that advertising space for as long as the pub hosts their website with you - they don't want or know how to change away and you do it for free so hey why would they ?

So there you have it, essential service, pain of disconnect, monthly commissions, creative low cost advertising and promotion, expanding your local network between yourself and other businesses that you can help and they can help you, building relationships. Not very difficult stuff.

not really a rant, rather an inspirational story , but still you called that mainstream? I call that doing business. It has not really too much to do with online stuff. Just you building up contacts dealing with stuff you know like any other regular business man. Your profit has nothing to do with your websites but rather with your contacts over there. Nevertheless nice story though and good example of how to run a business :2 cents:

AdultKing> Thanks for such a long post. I am doing most of that stuff already. I want to clarify - I am earning some money from mainstream, but what I am trying to say is that I work about 3-5 times harder on mainstream seo compared to adult seo... And I am always wondering when I see people writing that mainsteam seo is easier..
I guess I need someone to mentor me or something. Someone to say something like "create 20 pages on these web 2.0 properties and you will get some seo juice".. :) I mean I gues I ned someone to encourage me. Like I said I did some web 2.0 years ago and it seemed like they are very weak backlinks... Like 5 web 2.0 properties does niot even come close to the strength of simple mediocre Pr2 hardlink exchange...

The main reason for failing in mainstream SEO is simply not doing mainstream SEO.

I resisted for years. Adult was making me so much money (and still is) that I didnt see a reason to do anything different. But now I'm glad that I got over that and just went with it.

I think some people place too much emphasis on building external links and not enough emphasis on building your own network of sites that you control. A link placed anywhere other than on a site you control may potentially disappear at any time. While external linking is important, your own network is more important.

Some successful Internet Marketers will create hundreds of web sites to support their money site. They will employ full time writers to churn out thousands of articles supporting their main product and site and distribute those on a wide network. In these cases all the content will be original, of high quality and be aimed at driving to the money site.

I also see too much emphasis placed on crappy feeder sites when you could be targeting hundreds of relevant keywords on your main site simply by producing relevant content and creating pages for it on the main site. This is where long tail keywords become important. If you are writing content to target hundreds of relevant long tail keywords and placing that on your own site then even though each long tail keyword might generate only a few visits per day , if you multiply that by the hundreds of pages targeting those keywords then the traffic adds up.

Primarily though, you need relevant quality content. Targeting hundreds of relevant long tail keywords through crap content defeats the purpose.

There are many successful strategies you can employ where you don't need to rely on much that you do not already control.

SEO techniques need to also be combined with surgically targeted ad buys, viral marketing, offline advertising, relationship and list building and so on. If you're just concentrating on SEO techniques alone you are missing opportunities that a good SEO campaign won't deliver you.