If I remember correctly, when WTC7 came down it was hours after "while shit was going down". Nothing makes sense to me of that day. But demolishing a building because it's a danger to keep it standing is making sense to me yes. If you had read my earlier post, I do wonder if that is possible in a short time. I do know that most of these demolishing teams take weeks or months to prepare.

I'm confused now. Who put the explosives in the building? Was the Fire Chief working for the city, the federal government, the CIA, the White House, the Israelis, or the terrorists?

I guess the fire chief was one of the thousands who took part in this and kept it quiet all of this time.

For me the Fire Chief would have only known that WTC7 was going to be demolished shortly before it happened. He would also be told not to talk about that.

He wouldn't know anything else on the matter :2 cents: Information is given out on a "Need to Know" basis

Way to take someone's words out of context.

This is what I hear him say:

He did not say they did a "demolition in a controlled fashion". What he was saying was "they made a decision to evacuate the building in a controlled fashion".

What the fuck does John Kerry have to do with anything related to 9/11?

Why would the Fire Chief be involved at all?

Was he involved in the master plan? Did he have stocks in some oil company so we could invade a country that has no oil?

Would have a secret team operating out of some van give the order to set these imaginary explosives?

There comes a point when the argument becomes one of psychology rather than debating any evidence. The conspiracy movement ( not the truth movement, because you can't just make stuff up and call yourself a truth movement) has nothing... seriously nothing but made up ideas.

Of course its exciting to be part of this, believing that you know the real truth, that you are smarter than others and even smarter than the big bad government. Its an ego thing mainly and an inability to process information in a critical way. It provides excitement to bored lives and even creates some sort of order which is perhaps easier to accept than the random pointless deaths on that day and all the total bullshit that has happened since.

if you had something concrete everyone would believe you (hell it seems most people want to believe), but you have nothing.

Can you read? Here's what I posted:

Here is what you hear him say:

What's the difference exactly, aside from punctuation and the fact I quoted him word for word, unlike you? I even posted the entire video, with everything he said, so how did I in any way take anything 'out of context'?

Where did I quote him saying that? I quoted him as saying exactly what he said.

I don't even see the words "evacuate the building" in the quote you said you heard him say, let alone what he actually said. Are you hearing voices in your head perhaps?

If you want the context of what he said, it's in the question he was asked, which was about Silverstein "pulling" the building and about the building being demolished. Nobody mentioned "evacuations" so I have no idea where you dreamed up that totally bizarre and ridiculous interpretation from.

At least as much as, for example, Popular Mechanics, I imagine.

that's pretty much it. it's a curious sociological / psychological phenomenon, nothing more.

you're a hopeless deluded retard. there is much a point as discussing this with you than discussing string theory with the guy playing with his feces in the alley.

Of course there's no point in your "discussing" it with me, or anyone else. For one thing you're probably out of websites to lazily copy and paste, to compensate for your utter lack of clue on this, and no doubt every other, subject.

go and build some sites you fucking freaks

It saddens me to think that the our own goverment did this but im not surprised. Its been ten years and the terroroists haven't attacked us why is that? Im sure if they really wanted to they would have already done so. It just makes me think that's because our goverment is behind this and not the terrorists. That's just my opinion.

I seem to remember that some terrorist were arrested before they could do anything.

But it saddens me that some think only attacks in the US count. Ever heard of London, Madrid and Bali? Israel maybe? Or Iraq and Afghanistan? Terrorist attacks are still plotted and executed every day in this world.

Americans only care about their own country.

That should be obvious given that they support unjust wars which kill thousands of innocent human beings, human beings who are people just like them, even though they are seen as different and less worthy to live because they have darker skin and a different culture.

Actually, no. All Firefighters were "pulled" from the building hours earlier. There was no one in the building to "pull" - who was he talking with from the fire dept. that didn't know this?

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This is great:


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post proof of that. and not some shitty made up youtube video.

do your own work.
go prove that what he said is not true.

what proof you have that the firefighters were pulled hours before larry said this https://youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100?

yet there are multiple legit sources stating that it was firefighters being pulled for saety reason, often using the same terminology.

how can i prove something that is not that doesn't exist ie: firefighters were pulled before larry said "pull it."

in my link there are multiple sources saying that was it firefighters being pulled moron.

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Nigro_Daniel.txt

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Cruthers.txt

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC

Your missing my point here. Why the fuck would the fire chief be involved in demolishing the building at all?

The entire video implies that John Kerry states they intentionally demolished WTC7. John Kerry did not say "evacuation" or "demolition". All he says is that "they" did "something in a controlled fashion".

Which would be evacuation. You "exit a building" in a "controlled fashion". I've never heard anyone "demolish" a building in a "controlled fashion".

This video is used to put the idea in people's heads that the government demolished WTC7. The so called truth movement claims that there was no reason for WTC7 to call, when the truth was it was on fire for fifteen hours, the southwest corner was missing, as was an entire side of the building.

But was he aware of the fact there was no fire fighting staff from the building to pull? Did he know at the time of the statement if there was anyone else in the building?

One of the things about 9/11 and the so called truth movement is the argument over WTC7. The truth moment states that "WTC7 fell for no reason" and that there was "no damage to the building". And they've said it so many times that's almost become a fact - I mean, you can only hear the same things over and over again until people just accept it as fact.

These two quotes above state otherwise. WTC was hit by falling debris, was on fire for fifteen hours - unchecked the entire time - and suffered untold damage form when both towers fell.

Just the towers alone falling was similar to an earthquake, and enough to bring down buildings in it's own right.

No he probably didn't, but whoever he was talking to would have kown. Either way it's obvious from his statement that he wasn't referring to fire fighters...

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Didn't want to quote your whole post but thanks man. That was a good read and makes the "pull it" a lot clearer.

there is a good article at slate on the history of the 9/11 "truth" movement and the circularity of the arguments.

also found it interesting the guy behind "loose change" isn't a truther anymore. well he believes there is some kind of cover-up, that's it. his continued investigations didn't hold up. ie: talked to witnesses that saw a plane at the pentagon, not a missile.

i was the same. i thought the conspiracies had some merit at one point, but the facts just didn't hold up to scrutiny over time.

well before you ignore my question and hop to the next random theory where is the proof that the firefighters were pulled hours before silverstein said "pull it."

how would they know? demolition experts don't use the term "pull it" anyway.

I'm just disappointed not to see the conspiracy nuts trotting out aliens or at least the Trilateral Commission. I mean if you are going to have that many people keep a secret that big inside the U.S. government it would take some kind of mind control or people just disappearing all over the place. Anyone know if Robyn Gardener had info on WTC operations?

My point is you can poke holes in anything.

The entire fucking birther movement was more of the same. Obama had to present proof of his birth in order to become President - before he could run - but yet this birther movement seeded doubt for years. Even after he produced the birth certificate they continued to claim it was fake. You know, because the President of the United States is going to produce a fake birth certificate.

The funny thing is all of this 9/11 stuff is based on how the towers were taken down by explosives. Funny thing is there was no explosions at all. Dozens of videos from ground level, and not one of them has any sounds of explosions on them. That fact is completely ignored by the so called truth movment.

The best part is "why?". Why would anyone want us in Afghanistan? For oil? Afghanistan has no oil, and even if they did we don't get our fucking oil from the Middle East. We get our oil from Canada and Mexico.

no it wasn't. that's why they came up with the concept of nano-thermite.

Yes the bottom corner was damaged and there was a 20 story hole in one side...and the fire fighters noticed that the building was beginning to bulge and recognized that collapse was virtually imminent...so they began withdrawing to what was considered to be a safety zone.

Simply put...the severe damage alone would probably have caused the collapse of the building...eventually and combined with prolonged fire it made it imminent...end of story.

how come of the "investigators for truth" have actually interviewed the firefighters and other safety people at the scene? i'm sure they could put together what really happened based on that.

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There were experiments done that showed nano-thermite would not have cut through the steel beams...but several of the major "truthers" denied the experiment with various arguments even after witnessing the experiments. Seeing is not enough proof for them.

yes it's pointless to argue. like arguing with a moonie, creationist or hardcore marxist.

He did not say "something in a controlled fashion", he said "they did it in a controlled fashion". I'm surprised you don't understand how a basic conversation works. Here goes:

1. Someone says something about a "demolition", and nothing about an evacuation.
2. Kerry replies to that question, saying they did IT in a controlled fashion.

What's the "it" likely to be, genius, the very thing the guy is talking about to Kerry, or something nobody said that Kerry just pulls out of his ass and expects people to psychically know what he means when he says "it"?

And I never heard anyone in the video mention "evacuation" or "exiting a building". Did you? I'm also willing to bet I can find more references to "controlled demolition" than "controlled evacuation".