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congrats on troll of the year paul
at least you can finally say you achieved something |
Am I the only one who thinks the pic of his award in his avatar coincidentally looks like a gravestone?
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Yes mock someone who has been pointing out the problem and solution for 10 years. A problem that's just got worse. Because no one wanted to hear about a solution, just too busy making the problem worse. Thanks for the bump. |
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Clueless is as clueless does. |
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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board...1&d=1308276601 |
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the solution ? lets fucking see it ? last time we checked you have a paysite just like every other donkey absolutely not a thing new from you paul just lots and lots of hot air matey boy you are the epitome of 'all talk and no action' troll |
So by a country mile the opinion is 75% over the age of 35.
So let's assume these guys developed their tastes in porn over 10 years ago. Before the real days of online porn video. What would they want to pay for? Those who want it for free can GF themselves. We live off of and pay our bills with the 1 in a 1,000 who will buy. Or what ever number it is. What we produce today online, which is very much popcorn porn, easily digested and forgotten about 10 minutes later. A sort of quickie up against the wall version of porn. Theres going to be another one tomorrow and the next day. Fast, gets them off and really nothing to memorable about it. Or a one night stand, better so long as she's not a pain. Still you don't want to share breakfast with her. Definitely not lunch. Or a girl who stays the month and keeps you happy and contented. She's not got much more to keep your attention, nice for a month but no longer. Or a girl who keeps coming up with new things, keeps you hooked and you never want to leave. Took me 3 goes to find one of those, one of my brothers is still looking and he's lost count of the tries he's had. :) Online paysites sell monthly memberships. So do Webcams and Dating. Getting people into the site is a tough job today. Getting them to stay has to be number 1. Will give people some ideas later. |
damn dude you write all this shit like anyone actually gives a fuck or is going to listen to you. you are one strange fucker.
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Interesting poll.
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It's just people talking out of their arses and guessing. It's about as interesting as a billing seminar. |
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You don't. Your skills are important. Dressing the window is an art and that's what you're about. I'm about the inside of the shop and primarily the product. Michael anyone who has been in porn a few years will know it's always been generally an older customer. Pity is when I go to a show I see people who are a lot younger than the audience they sell to. No worries, they can send enough traffic to get a sign up. :Oh crap |
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People are posting their opinions. Not facts. As I told you, it depends on the source of the traffic, the product, the payment device etc. Half the people that chose to pay by phone on one client's site are 18-35. And a very large percentage of that is under 25, and a surprisingly large chunk is 18-19. They wouldn't pay on a credit card, but they are happy to pay with their phones. But you don't have a mobile version of your site, nor mobile billing on it, so you wouldn't see this sort of data. |
When push comes to shove it really doesn't matter what age group is most common for a particular site, they're all buying because they want to see more of what you've shown them on the site tour. Whether they are 18 or 80 their money is worth the same.
There may be some difference in how tech savvy younger buyers are compared to older buyers, and in how comfortable they may be with certain payment options, but it's relatively easy to make enough options available to appease most everyone. Besides, trying to pin down accurate age demographics for porn site buyers is pretty tough since that info is only available if the customer volunteers that info. |
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A 18 year olds taste in porn is going to be very different from a 50 year olds. They might like the same niche, but the packaging and style of the product has to be tempered to fit the different ages. Yes it's tough to pin down, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done and can't be. Yes they need to volunteer it, we should still be learning. Damian's skills are totally lost if he doesn't know who he's talking to. Try talking to an 18 year old lie you would a 50 year old and you lose a sale. And the other way around. |
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Like Windows 7, Google, and Hustler Magazine? :1orglaugh How many times have you talked to one of your surfers before they've purchased? :1orglaugh I have a feeling Damian understands this is marketing and we're not selling adult diapers, it's porn, get the cock hard, and game on! For real, did you make this shit up on the fly? |
We have a variety of people join our websites from 18 to 80 and both female & male.
Paul, I would have thought, it's the mature married men in their 40s that are most likely to purchase your niche of porn because the style, the models & the site that you run. |
Let's see...everyone in every age group likes sex -- so that would be everybody. How many of those people actually buy it is another story.
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Big tit lovers are big tit lovers whether they're 18 or 50. Same goes for most other porn niches. |
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Put simply, an 18 year old might like the 21st Century presentation of porn better than the 20th Century presentation. And the other way around for the older guy. Think in terms of Playboy and Ex Gf, both big tits. Yet presentation is totally different. If you understood porn you would of known this right off the bat. |
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Trust me, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I'm currently in my 50's, started in the biz in my 30's. You do the math. What you're saying only applies if you're talking about a niche where the overwhelming majority of your customers are within a single age group. There are damn few of those. This biz has always been a matter of trial and error, repeating what works and dropping what doesn't, the trying something else. By marketing to a specific age group you risk alienating the others, and you simply can't get reliable data on surfer ages to know just how large a factor that really is. You're just guessing. I don't make those kinds of major site changes based on guesses. |
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Your theory is flawed because, YOU do not know the age group of the surfers visiting you. You can't auto detect that and flip the presentation for them. You do not buy traffic from sources with that information, at that even if you did it would only be a micro bit of your traffic... at that, it would only be marketing, and not the presentation. That's how I know you made this shit up out of thin air. Seriously, you need to shut up. |
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Liar. |
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If you were 50 and been in business for very long, you would know that. Trial and error is useless offline. It will send you bankrupt. |
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Trial and error is useless offline? So trying to market new ideas is useless? Seeing if a new product might work, is useless? Trying something new like groupon to see if it drives in more customers, is useless? So if it doesn't work fully the first time, and you adjust, and get it to work the second time, did they not just do trial and error to make it work? If you have no trial and error, how do you learn, adapt, and change with or beat out your competition? Exactly... I'm starting to think you've never owned a business, but rather ALWAYS worked for someone else while pretending you ran a business. |
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You're guessing because there is no reliable way to track the age of all visitors to your site. |
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He learned the "split testing" word and what it means from Damian, but he still doesn't understand what it really means or all the various ways you can use it. |
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Those of us in business for real can't afford to do this, We need to make decisions calculated on experience, knowledge and skills. So a sponsor gets a bunch of models, shoots them, shoves up a site and then waits to see if it works. If it doesn't he gets a different bunch of models, shoots them and puts them into the same site. If that doesn't work he gets the first set of models, lets his mate sh ........................ Had to stop the bank phoned and told me I'm broke testing and trying different ways. :1orglaugh Yes that was an extreme joke. But it's true, you can't keep "relying on trial and error" when each trail and error is losing you money. Yes you're guessing, you're putting something up "relying on trial and error" to see if it works. You don't know what to put up before the results come in. Then you can try another guess to see if it works. With no way of knowing what will sell and to who it will sell. you don't even know where to start. Can you tell us who you are, with some proof and show me this method works please. I can prove it doesn't and we rarely made a guess when shooting girls, how to shoot them, who to sell it to and a few other things. Couldn't afford to do all the "trial and error" before we found a good one. Do you want to send traffic to a sponsor whose "relying on trial and error" with your traffic. Or do you prefer to send it to a guy who knows what he's doing? Now you can come back with a jibe and ignore the truth. |
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So when you first started shooting you knew exactly what to do, from day one? Wow... no trial and error, no learning from your mistakes, and no improving? Amazing skills man, you're probably like the most skilled photographer in the world, I'm shocked you ended up doing porn with your skills. Telling ya now Paul, Microsoft could you use... they are the trial and error kings, and some how still make billions, I bet with you running the ship they would be making trillions! P.S. I would rather send to programs that are always working to improve and realize they do make errors and set out to correct them, while testing new ideas and sharing the ones that work with us. But that's just me. |
so paul what is the actual end result for all your brilliance and indepth knowledge of pron ?
you have anything to show anyone ? a site , some stats anything!?!?! paulmarkhamteens.com - is that it ? is this the cumulation of three decades in porn and your incredible knowledge ? youre the joke of the industry and troll of the year |
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So lets take Damian's "Split Testing" tours idea and apply it to Qbert's thinking. The site owner doesn't know what images and video clips will work, so he picks a few at random, gives them to the first designer who replies on GFY to his thread for designers and tells him to put up a site tour. It doesn't work, he's "relying on trial and error". No worries It only cost him a $,1000 bucks. Plus the traffic he didn't convert and yours as well. So you lost money. No worries, he tries again. Same des .............. you know where I'm going and now see the flaw in your thinking. If each trial is costing money and not working, it's also losing money. You could learn what you're doing and make judgments on your knowledge, experience and skill. Trying a tour in a pastel pink or a pastel lilac, is OK. But you need to know what you're doing at the beginning. Maybe I got it wrong about you guys. You're clueless and the only way you can see if something works is "trial and error". No hang on, I only have to read your posts to know you're clueless. :1orglaugh |
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Yes of course. Amazon doesn't split test, they can't afford to. The New York Times doesn't split test, they can't afford to. You're amusing today! |
another horrible essay thread.
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I would much prefer to send my trafic to sponsors that try new things and are CONTINUALLY testing the traffic for new and better ways to optimize it and make me and themselves more money. Are you really serious about this or just trolling for a response and to generate discussion? |
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