You are right,they have to say that because if they looked at the truth it crushes their whole argument.

No they werent.
"three bedroom home, new cars, vacations"
Working as a car detailer.

Tere are those of us who sit around getting fat waiting to be handed a living and others who take advantage of the American dream.

They were earning between them over $1000 per day.
They could have easily sustained a 3 bedroom house, two new cars and a few vacations.
That is only about $400k in total and their income between them would pay for that over 4 years allowing for taxes.

They werent exactly sitting around now were they?

They're lying about what they made and you're stupid enough to buy into it.
But let's pretend I'm as dumb as you are. Did they save nothing? Did the business go from $1000 a day to zero?
Amongst the intelligent, we know exactly which part of their story is a lie.
You, the completely unacomplished, know nothing and believe everything.

:angrysoap :jerkoff

Make Love, Not War... :stoned





Those crazy kids ... <shakes head> ... bless them! :)



Peace and Love,

ADG

Communism. Death of a society by a thousand cuts. Watch for them to use this "movement", whatever it is, to advance their cause.

http://www.cpusa.org/solidarity-with...erence-oct-11/



Obama has strong connections to those who would lead you down the path to communism. Coincidence that these "protests" are happening under his watch?



Capitalism, with all of it's flaws, at least gives everyone a chance to be better off. Communism, with all of it's promises, ensures that everyone will be worse off.

The class and race warfare promoted by the Obama administration will be the undoing of the USA.

:2 cents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-Reagan.html

:Oh crap

Thanks for setting the record straight...that certainly changes the meaning of this song:



ADG

Nobody is advocating communism. What they are ultimately after is a little re-balancing, changes in leadership roles and legislation which would help begin the process of bringing back the conditions which made the USA so successful in the first place.

Members of the RCP (Revolutionary Communist Party USA), the SWP (Socialist Workers Party), and every acronym for a leftist fringe group in the alphabet soup shows up in force to any protest/activity/event/movement which they can use to recruit from or co-opt. Nothing revolutionary, or illegal (yet), about that. :winkwink:

I see it the same as the Tea Party draws it share of inbred KKK rednecks to any large rally. It's all part of the political sideshow that passes itself off as American political debate.

To ultimately succeed the 98% needs to address the 1% on Wall Street, while also dealing with the 1% of the fringe element on the right and left, that is out to hijack the OWS movement to promote it's own agenda/purposes.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hUNfkn7EGr...of_Rage_50.jpg

Read up on the FBI CoIntelPro, and see how agent provocateurs will be employed to engage in dirty tricks designed to subvert the OWS movement as it gains traction and momentum.

Buckle your seats everyone...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E5cSkRNNzu...0/P1020312.JPG

WARNING: Keep your head and hands inside until the ride comes to a complete stop... :stoned

ADG

Your main problem is that your ambition falls very short of your ability. You think they lie because you cant do it. The business probably wound down and they then spent there saving to try to keep their heads above water.

It is worthless arguing with someone like you due to the hate you have in your heart for people who are more sucessfull than you but due to your perception on life being incorrect, you view your ambition as reality when in reality your ability is far less.

:1orglaugh

Yes, the communists are. Most of the people at these protests, who don't have two brain cells to rub together, will become nothing more than useful idiots for the communists.

The fact that there are even active communist parties in the US should be disturbing but nobody even seems to care when they march in protests carrying banners advocating communist revolution.

Wow, from out of nowhere, GFY gets a brand new retard! Congrats! :thumbsup

Shut The Fuck Up, Noob.

I don't see why that should disturb anyone. This is the United States. It's supposed to be a free country and communism is nothing more than a political party and economic theory.

I'm not afraid of ideas and words for sure. Matter of fact I think it's outrageous that our govt. censors the radical Muslims. I think we should all be able to hear what they have to say and make up our own minds.

Having said all that...I just saw on the news that the Iranian govt. is rejoicing over these worldwide protests and proclaiming the end of the West. :(

Which brings up an interesting point.

When people took to the streets in the Middle East we immediately labeled it the "Arab Spring" and backed it 100% (even demanding the overthrow of the Egyptian govt. and Libyan govt and Syrian govt.).

So how hypocritical are we now going to look when they demand the overthrow of OUR govt.

And I gotta say...everybody gave him hell and said he was crazy when he predicted this a few months ago. But Glenn Beck predicted every bit of this. He said it was going to be unions and communists that would start world wide uprisings and that it would come to the U.S. too.

We all laughed at him and said it could never happen. But it has.

I'm wondering what the effect on the already shit job market is going to be? I've noticed that a lot of people on the left want to string up big business by the balls. They say that they should pretty much be forced to hire people even if they don't need them and that it's time to crack down on them.

My question would be...what is going to be the outcome of that? Is THAT going to create jobs in this country? And if it won't...then shouldn't we have our eye on the ball of something that will?

I'm starting to think it's time to drill for our own oil and natural gas right here in this country.

Saw some talking heads on the news who claimed the oil companies could create 8 million new jobs right here in the U.S. if they are "allowed" to drill for oil here.

Can that be done without another Gulf oil spill type disaster? I don't know.
But if it could it would sure solve a lot of problems all at once. It would put people in GOOD paying jobs. It would lower the cost of fuel, which would lower the cost of everything (because it will cost half the money to transport goods). And it would shut off our dependence on those crazy ass muslims for oil.

One things for sure...something better happen quick.

Not sure if tearing down our economic structure of Wall Street is the right move to make. Maybe it is. But I'm just wondering what would all of us do THEN.

Would there even be credit cards to buy porn? Would anybody have jobs? I don't know.

The states was created by a bunch of people getting taxed to much and tired of the banks, and monarchy fucking them around and so they took a big risk sailed across the ocean and started fresh.
After a couple hundred years you have created what you fled from. Think everyone should get their guns out and have a good old fashioned civil war and straighten this shit out.

Communism is the answer, and the United States is the place to build it.

It has to be built in a country with strong democratic traditions and large developed industry.

The reason why it failed in Russia was because of the lack of any democracy and industry. All that was left was the slogans.

Socialism - People to work according to their ability, receive according to their needs would be a first step.

This would be great for the rest of the world as the US would start to support the radical secular movements and not the fundamentalist crazies like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Poland etc..

It would support science and defeat religious madness.

yes yes everyone rich without working... keep on dreaming.
Socialism has failed in dozens of countrys get real and stop the wishfull thinking

Out of the top ten countries to live in for quality of live all ten are socialist. The only countries where socialism has failed are countries where capitalism killed it and replaced it with a massivily reduced middle class and a higher poverty level.

and what do you think a worthless pornographer such as yourself should be paid in your socialist/communist dream world?

i'll tell you what you'll be paid - ZERO, because you'll be living in a cinderblock jail cell.

the future http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulash_Communism

These protesters, the few of them who really have put some thought into this, have picked the wrong target - the banksters and super wealthy and corporations are doing what's in their capitalist DNA to do, create as much wealth as they can for themselves and their bosses and shareholders. The real beef is with the corrupt and incompetent politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle who aid and abet them to run roughshod over the economy. Capitalism doesn't mean there are no rules and no laws - look at the rules we operate under in this industry both with regards to obscenity laws, 2257, and the rules of the credit card associations.

A capitalist system that won't or can't produce good jobs, jobs that can support the American Dream for those who are willing to work hard is broken and needs fixing. Globalization and technology have created problems, problems that were pretty much ignored. One thing about the 'American Dream' - these Gen X and Y spoiled douchebags who are crying about greed - the 'American Dream' the Baby Boomers were living as kids in the 50's and 60's, go look at what a suburban American Dream home looked like, it was a bungalow or small split level, about 1500-1750 square feet, 3 bedrooms - almost all Baby Boomers shared a bedroom with a brother or sister until they left to go to college or out on their own. There was ONE car in the family. Family vacations were car trips to tourist spots in the same state/province the family lived in. This generation believes they are ENTITLED to a far more extravagant luxurious version of the American Dream than the one of the 50's and 60's. Not surprising, the Baby Boomers were the first generation of children to be raised with the thought that they were something special, the world revolved around them and the Baby Boomers themselves grew up and made it worse, raising their own kids to believe that they were even more special and unique, the Snowflake Generation, limousining them around for play dates, wrapping them in plastic armour so they would never break a precious bone in their little bodies, shielding them from the agony of defeat by making sports all about participation and not winning and losing - and now here they are, 20's and even 30's, living at home and never buy their bullshit that they aren't leaving home because there aren't any good jobs for them - they are at home because they are lazy useless little shits who have no reason to leave home. What really sucks is that these twits are going to inherit a ton of money as the Baby Boom generation dies off.

we're pretty much there already.

Check out all of these dirty hippy draft dodgers from the late 60's.

An American embarrassment I tell ya!

http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-08-...hine-patriots/

funny how people dismiss communism in favor of capitalism when capitalism is failing right before their eyes and communism is rising right in front of their eyes

how ignorant can you be?

EXACTLY.

And our politicians have purposely created laws and regulations that ENCOURAGE companies to circumvent the rules by paying off the politicians via lobbying, etc.

The crooks in Washington D.C. are who is behind this. Everything they do is designed to give them power and money.

I know it's not going to happen...but we need to vote out EVERY incumbent every election. One and done. And then scrap all the thousands of laws they have made that cause companies to be forced to "play ball" with them and get some honest regulations that truly are designed to make things BETTER.

As all of our media is now controlled by 6 giant mega-corps. Newscorp jumped on this grassroots movement immediately. They knew if the Tea Baggers and the OWS movement merged, they would be fucked, so they instantly began a smear campaign.

As long as we all fight each other, they win.

No, they are all owned by the U.S. government.

I've never seen such horseshit in my life.
During the Iraq war they had reporters "embedded" with the troops? That's straight out of the playbook of every "bad" country we supposedly stand against. Control of the press...

When I was growing up the press QUESTIONED authority at every step. During the Vietnam War the reporters did their job and didn't allow the military to control them.

These days? Reporters don't even investigate or report anything. They just read whatever the White House press secretary gives them.

Can you imagine the press letting the Johnson Administration or Nixon or Clinton or Reagan administrations get away with the shit they let the Bush and Obama admins get away with?

It's a disgrace.

Perhaps they own the US Government?

From the top down, no one in Washington is answering to the American people at all. They only answer to their corporate overlords.

This is why this movement is a threat to the status quo.

The media will only divide us further. Newscorp jumped on the OWS movement instantly, with a very well planned out smear campaign.

Wrong. What about the 'change' that was Obama? Are you suggesting that maybe David Rockefeller and all his cronies at the Council of Foreign Relations may actually own the government?

Nope...only politicians spend millions of dollars to get jobs that don't pay all that much.
There is a reason.
It's called power.

I don't vote for a corporation. I vote for politicians. They MAKE the rules. And every rule and regulation is designed to grease their palms.

As I've said before...you can see it on a small scale if you attempt to open a brick and mortar small business in a city.
Now scale that up a billion times and you get the idea of how the federal govt. works.

I find ZERO fault with corporations and businesses doing whatever it takes to get ahead.

I do find fault with our govt. bailing them out. I do find fault with our govt. being wined and dined and paid under the table by companies because the politicians PURPOSELY make regulations and laws that cause that to happen.

I know it's a "which came first...the chicken or the egg".

But the bottom line is if our politicians were not CROOKS and taking all that money...then it wouldn't matter what big companies tried. It would NOT work if our govt. were honest and doing what's best for it's people.

Vote them out Vinny. All of us thinking we are "democrats" or "republicans" is just a fantasy world that they created to keep us from seeing what they are really doing.

Just think about it for a minute and realize that the govt. runs EVERYTHING. You can't even get in your car without the govt. FORCING you to wear your seatbelt.
You can't even watch certain things on television or hear certain WORDS spoken or read them.

That's not companies doing that. That is the U.S. govt.

I live in Las Vegas. Surrounding me for hundreds of miles are desert. Sun and wind. LOTS of sun and wind.

The U.S. govt. COULD have taken all those trillions they gave to the banks and other companies and COULD have built enough solar panels and wind turbines to power the nation right here in Nevada.

But they didn't, did they?

And you can blame "big oil" all day long.

At the end of the day? I vote for GOVT. not big oil. If the govt. is corrupt and takes bribes and doesn't do the things it should for the well being of it's people...it's NOT some companies fault.

It's the GOVERNMENTS fault for being crooks and extorting money from them.

No human being would be worthless in a socialist country.

You also raise an important point to use all, that we cannot imagine a true socialist country without sexual freedom, a sexual revolution as well as a political and economic one. Sweeping away censorship, sexual fear and hatred, inequality and leading to a society free to enjoy unlimited sexual pleasure.

The majority of Americans dont actually understand what socialism is as their view on socialism is what the media has told them it is.

Until the system is turned on its head, nothing will change. In the current game, you will never be voting for a politician - you WILL be voting for the special interests that own them.

The politician that does not take money, loses.

I know you guys hate Obama, but let's pretend he was actually a person trying to do the right thing. You think he can beat the GOP with pocket change and individual doner contributions?

As long as one side is on the take, both sides have to be on the take, and voila, the government is owned!

The OWS movement isn't currently for either side. At least at the moment it has not been fully hijacked - unlike the Tea Party movement, which was taken over (or quite possibly created) by the Koch bros and their ilk day one.

I voted for him.

And I feel like he immediately did what they all do. Went on the take. :(

I wanted to see real health care reform (the artificially inflated prices...done hand in hand with the GOVERNMENT brought down to reality)...and instead the FIRST thing he did was have a behind closed doors agreement with the pharmaceutical companies to insure them that the gravy train would not end.

I don't think he's trying to do the "right" thing at all.

I'm extremely disappointed because I got caught up in the hype during the election and believed he was really going to affect some change. Instead he seemed to take all of his cues from Reid and Pelosi for the first 2 years. :(

Nope...he's just another politician. No better, no worse.

And it's just too bad that you think that corporations "run" the government. When it seems to me it's the other way around.

The govt. sets up rules and regulations and even tax law that insures the companies will have to step in line to make money. Then it just becomes status quo.

The companies pay off the govt. and the govt. gives them exemptions from the laws and regulations. And the companies who don't pay? They don't last very long.

Dude...the GOVERNMENT are the ones in power. That's why you have these protestors raising hell on Wall Street about CEO's of companies who got bailed out and now pay themselves $10 million dollar salaries...And
meanwhile...the President Of The United States is the one who DID the bailing out and now has already put together SEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS for his re-election!!!!!!!

Why aren't they questioning what he and all the Republican candidates are raising? And all to get a job that pays $400,000 a year!

Now you tell me who is in charge and who is laughing in our faces while they roll in money.

Sounds like we're pretty much in agreement. You determined, as did I, that Obama was the more sensible vote. You think McCain/Palin would have yielded a better result?

The system is fucked. Who you gonna vote for next time, someone who isn't already in the tank? Impossible!

The game is rigged, and the 99 percenters are not represented. Time to start again. When 100 million are joined together Washington may have to wake the fuck up. The OWS movement is actually the most sensible movement going right now.

I don't think McCain would have done one thing differently (well, he wouldn't have addressed health care at all I suppose)

The game is rigged indeed. And there's more than 99 percent of us whose interests are not being looked after.

In my opinion NOBODY is represented by our government.

It's all about politicians on the take. They don't give a damn about anybody but themselves (which is pretty much the way I feel too...maybe I'd make a good politician? lol).

Again though...I have to question WHY the U.S. govt. doesn't build hundreds of miles of solar panels and wind turbines out in the desert here in Nevada? Especially since a couple of years ago they were claiming that "climate change" was the most urgent and dangerous thing facing us.

Is it because oil companies won't "allow" it? Or is it because oil companies are paying off the ENTIRE federal govt (who are CORRUPT) and they all fall in line?

Who owns who?
Neither and both. It's a completely symbiotic relationship.
The govt. sets the table with excessive regulations and tax laws, the big companies pay them billions and look at it as a cost of doing business, and the govt. makes exemptions and tax loopholes for the ones paying them off.

Who would I vote for?

Probably the "crazy" one. Ron Paul.

He seems to not give a fuck about all of that.
But I could be getting fooled again just like Obama did me.

The Who song "Won't Get Fooled Again" has just as much meaning now as it did then:
"The parting on the left, is now the parting on the right"
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

vote with bullets.

Not sure how voting for a person who can't win does anything, but hey, if it makes you feel better I guess.

In reality though, it is likely Obama vs the GOPs pick, which won't be Ron Paul.

Obama is not great, but when it comes down to Obama vs someone who TRULY couldn't give a shit about the middle class, I have to go back to Obama - unless something radical happens, and I don't mean more of this...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=AvwkdXNQfw4

I'm pretty sure that unless a miracle happens...Obama is done.

Which is fine with me. As I already said...they should ALL be one and done. They should follow the lead of George Washington who refused to serve two terms.

These days we have the President of the U.S. traveling the country CAMPAIGNING when the country itself is in shambles.

Our govt. is a disgrace (and I mean ALL of it...I don't fall for the "Democrat" / "Republican" b.s.)

Theoretically I am SUPPOSED to vote for who I think would do the best job.

And the only reason a candidate can be proclaimed to be unelectable and then it become a self-fulfilling prophecy is because our govt. controlled media tells us so.

Anyone can do one of these lists.

Joe Biden
Bill Clinton
Alan Grayson
Richard Blumenthal
Trent Lott (Democrat before 1972)
Paul Wolfowitz (Democrat before 1981)
Douglas J. Feith (Democrat before 1980)
Elliott Abrams (Democrat before 1978)
Richard Shelby
Phil Gramm
Howard Dean
Jim Doyle
Tim Walz

99% of them are young, sloopy, dirty and don't have fucking clue about it.

Do you have time to sleep outside, protesting and do fucking nothing ?

Fuck them

Interesting comment.

Just how is it that we allow lobbyists to run wild in Washington?

Money Money Money.

I went to the local protest, took photos and ask questions.

For the most part, here they want the companies to pay more in taxes, BUT also want to make sure the Gov does the right thing with the Money! Yes, there were some complete crazies there, but this was the general answer I got. Down with Money in Politics, down with Fraud and waste and stuff like that. Get money out of politics, not sure how they will do this, cuz money talks, but I understand some of them now...