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kane 10-10-2011 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482064)
Average income takes into account EVERYBODY in the country.
And it doesn't take into account different costs of living.

I lived in Fla. throughout the 1980's and lived like a king on $500 a week playing in bands.

I lived in South Carolina and Georgia through the 90's up until 2008 and lived like a oil sultan. lol

But I bet if I'd lived in New York City I wouldn't have.

I'm in total agreement with you on the costs of things. But it isn't just "nice houses" and "nice cars" that require bank loans these days...it's ALL cars and houses. :(

The first house I lived in as a child was 5 bedrooms/3 baths on a half acre of land in central Florida in the 1960's. It was $12,000 and my dad bought it outright. No bank loan.

Our first "fancy" car was a 1972 Delta Royal 88 Oldsmobile. My dad paid for that in cash too...it was a little over $5,000 and everybody in our town thought we were out of our minds for paying that much.

It almost seems like you can't buy ANYTHING these days without taking out a loan. You can't go to the doctor without insurance. Hell, I even see on the bottom of my energy bill that they have a way for people to set up PAYMENTS!!! WTF? You have to pay it every month already! lol
Very true. Where you live has a lot to do with how far a dollar will go. I saw a story on CNN a few months ago about a couple that had just gotten married. They were from the Bay Area and he had just graduated college and was an accountant. He got offered a job making $75K per year. Not bad for right out of school with no experience, but the cost of living in that area was so high in that area that money wouldn't be going very far. They ended up moving to Austin, TX where he was offered a job for $50K a year, but the cost of living was so much cheaper they would live a much nicer life.

Also, I agree with you about any house or car needing credit. We are at a time right now where the average wage earner can't afford the average home nor the average car so if you want those things you have no choice but use credit and if you overspend on them then you end up being house broke so you use credit to then buy furniture, a TV, and just about anything else. It is a crazy cycle people can get themselves into.

Rochard 10-10-2011 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18481411)

I'm not sure it's telling the whole story. :) At least what I've seen with my own two eyes in my lifetime, people were making a lot more money and had much nicer homes and possessions over the last few decades (especially the 1990's and most of the 2000's until the crash).
I agree with you.

I remember being a kid, one of my role models was my doctor, a man named Doctor Gus. He was my childhood doctor for most of my youth. He drove a big gray Mercedes. Everyone else in the parking lot drove a Chevy or a Ford. I remember to this day how that car stood out in the parking lot. I remember my mother telling me that if I went to college, one day too I could drive a Mercedes.

Now I take a look and Mercedes is everywhere - BMW too. A friend of mine lives in an apartment complex and the other day I had to pick him up and noticed that nearly every car was brand new, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus.

The middle class has never lived so well. Middle class thirty years meant every family had a TV. Now middle class means every room in the house has a flat screen TV.

Robbie 10-10-2011 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18482328)
There is a major difference in "Big Business" verses just being a person trying to start a business.

When I said Big Money Business I'm talking about corporate giants such as the Oil, Pharmaceutical, Insurance, Defense contracting industries, ect..ect. Pretty much any industry that is big enough to pay for large amounts of lobbying power.
I was only using a person trying to open a small business as an example. When you are talking major corporations then you can multiply the Government bullshit by a trillion.

Bottom line is still the same: The politicians are the criminals.

They are the ones who set up laws that make it almost impossible for a company to compete UNLESS they are putting money in the politicians pockets. And that encourages the companies to spend all that money on lobbyists and under the table deals.

IF the politicians did not play the game...then big corps wouldn't have to put money into that.

It's elected officials who are the real crooks.
Again, I can't find fault with any company doing whatever it could legally to get ahead.

But we didn't elect companies. We elected Congressmen and Senators. Vote them out. And keep voting them out. Career politicians are the real problem.

Robbie 10-10-2011 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18482357)
The middle class has never lived so well. Middle class thirty years meant every family had a TV. Now middle class means every room in the house has a flat screen TV.
Hell...go to a trailer park. Even the people who are classified as "poor" have a couple of flat screens and everybody has a cell phone.

I don't think this country really has a grip on what "poor" really is.

crockett 10-10-2011 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18482337)
This "Occupy" movement is dumb. It's a bunch of unemployed college kids who have never really had a real job who want what they believe is owed to them. What they don't understand is that they are getting exactly what is owed them - nothing.
You are old enough to have been able to get a decent job when you left school. Kids today do not have the same opportunity that you or I had just 10 or 15 years ago or what our parents had.

Kids today that go to college come out with maybe a decent education, but also with a 50 to 100k student loan debit hanging over their heads with not a lot of job opportunities. Do you really think they shouldn't be mad to some degree and expect more?

I think maybe they are guilty of miss guided anger to a certain degree but IMO they have a right to be a little ticked off with what this country has to offer them.

crockett 10-10-2011 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18482357)
I agree with you.

I remember being a kid, one of my role models was my doctor, a man named Doctor Gus. He was my childhood doctor for most of my youth. He drove a big gray Mercedes. Everyone else in the parking lot drove a Chevy or a Ford. I remember to this day how that car stood out in the parking lot. I remember my mother telling me that if I went to college, one day too I could drive a Mercedes.

Now I take a look and Mercedes is everywhere - BMW too. A friend of mine lives in an apartment complex and the other day I had to pick him up and noticed that nearly every car was brand new, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus.

The middle class has never lived so well. Middle class thirty years meant every family had a TV. Now middle class means every room in the house has a flat screen TV.
The middle class has never been so far in debit and it has been failing for some time now to do better than the generation before it. Don't mistake high debit with living well.

Robbie 10-10-2011 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kane (Post 18482355)
you end up being house broke
:1orglaugh "house broke" You just described me brother!

I bought my home here in Vegas in Sept. of 2008 :(
One week later the housing market completely crashed and the economy tumbled.

I paid $720,000 for this house at 7% interest rate.

It's now worth less that $400,000 (not really, but that is a quick google calculation not taking other things into consideration).

So now I sit here with a $5,000 a month mortgage in a 5,200 sq. 2 story home with 8 bedrooms and 5 bathrooms...and I'm underwater *(I still owe a little over $510,000) so I can neither re-finance or even get a rate modification or even sell it and get the hell out! lol

So yeah...I know all about being "house broke" :1orglaugh

Robbie 10-10-2011 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18482375)
Don't mistake high debit with living well.
You're not seeing it right.

Using credit can, has, and does allow people to live well.

As I said, go to any trailer park and look at the cars, the cell phones, the flat screens.
Without credit those people could never live that kind of lifestyle. I think it's a good thing.

Hell, you only live once. And as long as you can make those payments every month...why not live the good life?

These days damn near everybody is in debt. Shit costs too much anymore to just buy it.

We need to elect that crazy black dude who ran for office with the motto: "The rent is just too damn high!" :1orglaugh

kane 10-10-2011 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482380)
:1orglaugh "house broke" You just described me brother!

I bought my home here in Vegas in Sept. of 2008 :(
One week later the housing market completely crashed and the economy tumbled.

I paid $720,000 for this house at 7% interest rate.

It's now worth less that $400,000 (not really, but that is a quick google calculation not taking other things into consideration).

So now I sit here with a $5,000 a month mortgage in a 5,200 sq. 2 story home with 8 bedrooms and 5 bathrooms...and I'm underwater *(I still owe a little over $510,000) so I can neither re-finance or even get a rate modification or even sell it and get the hell out! lol

So yeah...I know all about being "house broke" :1orglaugh
I have a friend in a similar situation. He bought a house that was a new build in a new development for $405K about 5 years ago. It had no yard or fence. He put in a fence, yard, sprinkler system and heat pump so that it had AC and was offered $450K for it. He didn't want to sell. Right then he was going through a divorce and as part of the divorce it was decided that the house had about 60K in equity so he had 2 years to either sell the house and give her $30K or just buy her out for $30K. Two years later the market was in the shitter, the house was worth about $300K. He can't refinance because he is underwater and he had to drain every cent he has in savings to pay her.

sperbonzo 10-10-2011 04:31 PM
Amen Robbie. THAT is my problem with the OWS movement. It has become about sone twisted version of fairness and redistribution instead of targeting the real culprits
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482361)
I was only using a person trying to open a small business as an example. When you are talking major corporations then you can multiply the Government bullshit by a trillion.

Bottom line is still the same: The politicians are the criminals.

They are the ones who set up laws that make it almost impossible for a company to compete UNLESS they are putting money in the politicians pockets. And that encourages the companies to spend all that money on lobbyists and under the table deals.

IF the politicians did not play the game...then big corps wouldn't have to put money into that.

It's elected officials who are the real crooks.
Again, I can't find fault with any company doing whatever it could legally to get ahead.

But we didn't elect companies. We elected Congressmen and Senators. Vote them out. And keep voting them out. Career politicians are the real problem.

Robbie 10-10-2011 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18482370)
able to get a decent job when you left school. Kids today do not have the same opportunity that you or I had just 10 or 15 years ago or what our parents had.
I believe there are a lot of reasons for kids out of high school not being able to make money.

One is LOCATION.

I went to high school in Bartow, Fl. and kids could get out of high school and go to work for the phosphate mining companies and make 5 times what the minimum wage was back then. It was just being lucky to live there that worked in those kids favor.

Also...when I was 18 the drinking laws in Fla. were 18. They turned to 21 the next year. And INSTANTLY about 90% of the bars went out of business (I know because I was playing them in my band). And with that...all those great paying bartender and waitress jobs.

Fast forward to 2011. I have a 19 year old daughter. There is nothing out there for her. IF the drinking laws and gambling laws didn't discriminate against ADULTS under the age of 21, she could be making GREAT money here in Vegas either dealing blackjack or waitressing/bartending. But she isn't allowed by the govt. to do either anymore.

I know I'm a bit older than a lot of folks on here. But when I first jumped out in the world, bars were a great place for 18 year olds to make great money. A lot of kids paid their way through college bartending. Not anymore.

Thanks govt. :(

bushwacker 10-10-2011 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482460)
I believe there are a lot of reasons for kids out of high school not being able to make money.

One is LOCATION.

I went to high school in Bartow, Fl. and kids could get out of high school and go to work for the phosphate mining companies and make 5 times what the minimum wage was back then. It was just being lucky to live there that worked in those kids favor.

Also...when I was 18 the drinking laws in Fla. were 18. They turned to 21 the next year. And INSTANTLY about 90% of the bars went out of business (I know because I was playing them in my band). And with that...all those great paying bartender and waitress jobs.

Fast forward to 2011. I have a 19 year old daughter. There is nothing out there for her. IF the drinking laws and gambling laws didn't discriminate against ADULTS under the age of 21, she could be making GREAT money here in Vegas either dealing blackjack or waitressing/bartending. But she isn't allowed by the govt. to do either anymore.

I know I'm a bit older than a lot of folks on here. But when I first jumped out in the world, bars were a great place for 18 year olds to make great money. A lot of kids paid their way through college bartending. Not anymore.

Thanks govt. :(
Good post. My first gig out of high school was working the door at a really busy club.
Let's just say Benjamin Franklin got you inside when the line was around the block, and there was plenty of impatient people who didn't like long lines. :)

V_RocKs 10-10-2011 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetcuties (Post 18482269)
Fox is a joke, most of America knows it :2 cents:
Strongly disagree...

People tend to hang out with like minded people for the most part, and/or people of a similar financial and social make up.

So doctors hang out with doctors and rarely with nurses...

My GF and I don't watch Two and a Half Men and think it is one of the stupidest shows we have ever seen. However, most of America watches the show.

We personally know only two people that watch Jersey Shore. My daughter and one of her friends. However, it is watched by more people than any other non-major network show.

All but two of my friends think Fox news is stupid. But it has a huge following I don't know about because I don't care to hang out with those people. And that is all it means...

V_RocKs 10-10-2011 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482460)
I believe there are a lot of reasons for kids out of high school not being able to make money.

One is LOCATION.

I went to high school in Bartow, Fl. and kids could get out of high school and go to work for the phosphate mining companies and make 5 times what the minimum wage was back then. It was just being lucky to live there that worked in those kids favor.

Also...when I was 18 the drinking laws in Fla. were 18. They turned to 21 the next year. And INSTANTLY about 90% of the bars went out of business (I know because I was playing them in my band). And with that...all those great paying bartender and waitress jobs.

Fast forward to 2011. I have a 19 year old daughter. There is nothing out there for her. IF the drinking laws and gambling laws didn't discriminate against ADULTS under the age of 21, she could be making GREAT money here in Vegas either dealing blackjack or waitressing/bartending. But she isn't allowed by the govt. to do either anymore.

I know I'm a bit older than a lot of folks on here. But when I first jumped out in the world, bars were a great place for 18 year olds to make great money. A lot of kids paid their way through college bartending. Not anymore.

Thanks govt. :(
I believe a lot of good things were figured out by 1950. A lot more things that were good were figured out, and played out, in 1960 to 1980. Then America went to shit. Suddenly there was a law for stupid shit where the gov't decided it would be the best parent for your kids and the real laws protecting America from tyranny went out the window (OP).

VikingMan 10-10-2011 05:04 PM
I worked at a meat packing plant just out of high school. I would like to see how long those faggoty marxist protesters last one day in a place like that. Give them shovels and have them clear driveways this winter. :321GFY

Barry-xlovecam 10-10-2011 05:14 PM
The problem is that most corporate shareholders and officers take their earnings as capital gains ;
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IRS 7. The tax rates that apply to net capital gain are generally lower than the tax rates that apply to other income.
For 2010, the maximum capital gains rate for most people is 15%. Furthermore, capital gains are non-wage income and not subject to Social Security, Medicare, Workman's Compensation Insurance costs, state and federal unemployment taxes) pay much less in in taxes than the 99% pay on wage earnings.

Also, the Social Security taxes are limited to the first $106,800.00 of wage earnings.

All of this is perfectly legal and that is the problem -- doing business as a corporation is encouraged by the tax laws.

@robbie -- almost everyone has lost 30% or more in "paper equity" in their real estate interests. Leverage can be both your friend and your worst nightmare ... You sailed into the "perfect storm."

scottybuzz 10-10-2011 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18482357)
I agree with you.

I remember being a kid, one of my role models was my doctor, a man named Doctor Gus. He was my childhood doctor for most of my youth. He drove a big gray Mercedes. Everyone else in the parking lot drove a Chevy or a Ford. I remember to this day how that car stood out in the parking lot. I remember my mother telling me that if I went to college, one day too I could drive a Mercedes.

Now I take a look and Mercedes is everywhere - BMW too. A friend of mine lives in an apartment complex and the other day I had to pick him up and noticed that nearly every car was brand new, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus.

The middle class has never lived so well. Middle class thirty years meant every family had a TV. Now middle class means every room in the house has a flat screen TV.
couldnt agree more with you

scottybuzz 10-10-2011 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18482484)
Strongly disagree...

People tend to hang out with like minded people for the most part, and/or people of a similar financial and social make up.

So doctors hang out with doctors and rarely with nurses...

My GF and I don't watch Two and a Half Men and think it is one of the stupidest shows we have ever seen. However, most of America watches the show.

We personally know only two people that watch Jersey Shore. My daughter and one of her friends. However, it is watched by more people than any other non-major network show.

All but two of my friends think Fox news is stupid. But it has a huge following I don't know about because I don't care to hang out with those people. And that is all it means...
wow agree so much.

what is with gfy today? people are making sense!!!

kane 10-10-2011 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18482460)
I believe there are a lot of reasons for kids out of high school not being able to make money.

One is LOCATION.

I went to high school in Bartow, Fl. and kids could get out of high school and go to work for the phosphate mining companies and make 5 times what the minimum wage was back then. It was just being lucky to live there that worked in those kids favor.

Also...when I was 18 the drinking laws in Fla. were 18. They turned to 21 the next year. And INSTANTLY about 90% of the bars went out of business (I know because I was playing them in my band). And with that...all those great paying bartender and waitress jobs.

Fast forward to 2011. I have a 19 year old daughter. There is nothing out there for her. IF the drinking laws and gambling laws didn't discriminate against ADULTS under the age of 21, she could be making GREAT money here in Vegas either dealing blackjack or waitressing/bartending. But she isn't allowed by the govt. to do either anymore.

I know I'm a bit older than a lot of folks on here. But when I first jumped out in the world, bars were a great place for 18 year olds to make great money. A lot of kids paid their way through college bartending. Not anymore.

Thanks govt. :(
Makes a lot of sense. I graduated high school in 1989. I grew up in a small town that was a lumber milll town. At that time the minimum wage was around $3.25 per hour. A person at 18 years old could get a basic job in one of the lumber mills and make around $10 per hour. My brother did and within a few years he was making $14. So he was 21 making about four times the minimum wage.

Here is the kicker. The wages at the mill have been stagnate. My brother left because he knew that his future there was not good and had a better opportunity and it was the best thing he ever did. In the town I grew up in there were three mills. One of them has shut down and the others only run a day shift, not 24/7 like they used to. The starting jobs there are now around $11 per hour, but minimum wage in my state is now $8.50.

The country is changing. The number of jobs a typical high school grad can get right out of school that turn into jobs that they can live a normal middle class life on are quickly disappearing. It is sad that now the choice seems to be to live on much lower wages, or go to school and get $50-$100K in debt in order to get a better paying job.

Bill8 10-10-2011 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18481193)
The Tea Party should be joining with this movement rather than criticizing it.

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The tea party would just sell everyone out. It's inherent to their nature.

Besides they love wall street, they love the rich, they love the bankers.

They love whomever can buy hem out and tell them what to say.

Bill8 10-10-2011 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ******* (Post 18482493)
I worked at a meat packing plant just out of high school. I would like to see how long those faggoty marxist protesters last one day in a place like that. Give them shovels and have them clear driveways this winter. :321GFY
Yet you don't have the balls to occupy wall street.

Your kind had the chance, but sold out.

Life is funny that way - tough guys aren't all that tough when push comes to shove.

Qbert 10-10-2011 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kane (Post 18482548)
...It is sad that now the choice seems to be to live on much lower wages, or go to school and get $50-$100K in debt in order to get a better paying job.
And a college degree is no guarantee that you'll get that job after graduation.



This discussion has de-volved into a debate about whether the middle class is better or worse off than in the past, but that's not what OWS is about at all.

IMO it's about the top 1% owning an ever growing percentage of the nation's total wealth, in large part due to their undo influence with Congressmen and mass media.

Bill8 10-10-2011 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18482337)
This "Occupy" movement is dumb. It's a bunch of unemployed college kids who have never really had a real job who want what they believe is owed to them. What they don't understand is that they are getting exactly what is owed them - nothing.
Then they got nothin to lose. And no reason to pay attention to whiners like you.

But, at the occupy event I was at earlier today, I'd say it was about even thirds, between gray haired folks, folks my age, and studenty types.

I'd say nearly everyone there who wasn't a student had jobs or were well off - at least, they had that look.

They were just pissed off that your kind and obama let the bankers game the system, and did nothing about it.

Afterwards my wife and I went out for a fine japanese dinner, on porn money.

12clicks 10-10-2011 06:13 PM
The bottom of society looking for their betters to pay their way.
Same song over and over.

Alex69 10-10-2011 06:14 PM
its about a bunch of jobless loosers getting drunk on street and doing stupid shit :)

Bill8 10-10-2011 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18482599)
The bottom of society looking for their betters to pay their way.
Same song over and over.
Are you gonna cry for us one-liner? Same old whining, no thought required, just bitching like an old lady.

boohoo I hate those hippy kids so much! They are being so mean to my banker pals! boohooooo. They are dirty and they smoke pot and just don't know to bow down to their betters.

It's no surprise occupy gets your panties in a wad.

It's been really funny watching those fucking dirty hippies show you tea ladies what balls actually look like.

Bill8 10-10-2011 06:47 PM
More from Krugman - who seems to be having fun poking at the hot air froth spewing from the right, the tea ladies, murdochians and foxfags, and wall street.

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What?s going on here? The answer, surely, is that Wall Street?s Masters of the Universe realize, deep down, how morally indefensible their position is. They?re not John Galt; they?re not even Steve Jobs. They?re people who got rich by peddling complex financial schemes that, far from delivering clear benefits to the American people, helped push us into a crisis whose aftereffects continue to blight the lives of tens of millions of their fellow citizens.

Yet they have paid no price. Their institutions were bailed out by taxpayers, with few strings attached. They continue to benefit from explicit and implicit federal guarantees ? basically, they?re still in a game of heads they win, tails taxpayers lose. And they benefit from tax loopholes that in many cases have people with multimillion-dollar incomes paying lower rates than middle-class families.

This special treatment can?t bear close scrutiny ? and therefore, as they see it, there must be no close scrutiny. Anyone who points out the obvious, no matter how calmly and moderately, must be demonized and driven from the stage. In fact, the more reasonable and moderate a critic sounds, the more urgently he or she must be demonized, hence the frantic sliming of Elizabeth Warren.

So who?s really being un-American here? Not the protesters, who are simply trying to get their voices heard. No, the real extremists here are America?s oligarchs, who want to suppress any criticism of the sources of their wealth.
you know the drill - if its behind a paywall go to google news and search Panic of the Plutocrats

12clicks 10-10-2011 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 18482616)
Are you gonna cry for us one-liner? Same old whining, no thought required, just bitching like an old lady.

boohoo I hate those hippy kids so much! They are being so mean to my banker pals! boohooooo. They are dirty and they smoke pot and just don't know to bow down to their betters.

It's no surprise occupy gets your panties in a wad.

It's been really funny watching those fucking dirty hippies show you tea ladies what balls actually look like.
Haha!
Panties in a wad. Yeah that's it.
As I drove past them on my way to happy hour Friday, I gave them a sarcastic thumbs up and said "yeay capitalism"
Get back to me when these losers get some of their members elected to congress.
You know, like the tea ladies did.:1orglaugh
For every loser out there protesting, there's someone else working hard to get rich.
That's the part you losers don't get. You never worked hard enough or smart enough to become successful. You delude yourself into thinking you have but you haven't.
You're exactly where you SHOULD be.

VikingMan 10-10-2011 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 18482582)
Yet you don't have the balls to occupy wall street.

Your kind had the chance, but sold out.

Life is funny that way - tough guys aren't all that tough when push comes to shove.
Occupy Wall St is controlled opposition. Go ahead and continue playing their game.

12clicks 10-10-2011 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 18482644)
More from Krugman - who seems to be having fun poking at the hot air froth spewing from the right, the tea ladies, murdochians and foxfags, and wall street.



you know the drill - if its behind a paywall go to google news and search Panic of the Plutocrats
Re-instate Glass steagall act (which most of these losers have no idea what it is) and the losers will still be demanding their handout.
Tea party= protecting their earnings
occupy= demanding someone else's earnings

12clicks 10-17-2011 05:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qbert (Post 18482592)
And a college degree is no guarantee that you'll get that job after graduation.



This discussion has de-volved into a debate about whether the middle class is better or worse off than in the past, but that's not what OWS is about at all.

IMO it's about the top 1% owning an ever growing percentage of the nation's total wealth, in large part due to their undo influence with Congressmen and mass media.
that *is* the idiot version of the story.
perhaps if you worked harder, you'd be part of the 1%
Then you'd understand that the 1% doesn't need congress to get ahead.

RycEric 10-17-2011 06:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ******* (Post 18482651)
Occupy Wall St is controlled opposition. Go ahead and continue playing their game.
Winter is coming... things will change :1orglaugh

Qbert 10-17-2011 06:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18496138)
that *is* the idiot version of the story.
perhaps if you worked harder, you'd be part of the 1%
Then you'd understand that the 1% doesn't need congress to get ahead.
Right, just like you? :1orglaugh

The Demon 10-17-2011 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 18482596)
Then they got nothin to lose. And no reason to pay attention to whiners like you.
So you take the time to protest yet have the balls to call someone else a whiner and wonder why you and your idiotic entitlement group isn't taken seriously? Funny how amidst this ridiculous blamefest creates by this movement, nobody mentions the fault of the American consumer for living beyond his means, going broke when he loses his job, and then has entitlement issues. But as you're so famous for saying, keep following your masters.

redhead 10-17-2011 06:49 AM
This campaign is well intentioned but naive. Without financial deregulation in most western countries during the eighties, we wouldn't have the current crisis, I'm sure they are right but ill give you a few other things we wouldn't have:

The internet
Google
Microsoft
Apple
Mobile phones
Laptops
The real possibility of a cure for cancer...soon
The fact that HIV is now rarely fatal in the west

The above are just a few examples of what would not have been possible if bright people with good ideas didn't have access to the funds that deregulation made possible.
I'm not defending the bankers, just pointing out that the financial world is increasingly complicated and interconnected place, allowing people who don't understand the system (almost everyone) to stick their noses into global finance is like asking a tree surgeon to perform open heart surgery...it might work...but I doubt it.

12clicks 10-17-2011 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Qbert (Post 18496194)
Right, just like you? :1orglaugh
yeah, if you were more intelligent and worked harder, you could be in the top 1% of earners. just like me.


sadly, it will never happen for you, loser.:1orglaugh

Qbert 10-17-2011 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18496248)
yeah, if you were more intelligent and worked harder, you could be in the top 1% of earners. just like me.


sadly, it will never happen for you, loser.:1orglaugh
If you think anyone here believes your personal income exceeds $1.25 million a year then you're even more delusional than I thought. :1orglaugh

PR_Glen 10-17-2011 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 18481114)
they better be careful.

I recall an entire war started with just 1 single shot.
if one person getting shot were a precursor to a war the US wouldn't have any people left...

WW1 didn't even start because of that 'infamous shot'. It was the severe political tensions that led up to that, which make these issues seem laughable. When the middle class are starving and the poor are dying then people will move...

Ronzo 10-17-2011 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18481633)
Aren't you painting with a big brush there? I doubt very seriously that every Tea Party person is an old person and/or a dumb redneck. Just like I doubt that every person in the OWS is "serious"

My guess is that both movements have a handful of leaders...and a LOT of sheep.
I doubt that both even have "a LOT of sheep". The mainstream news media is intentionally giving this more than it deserves and is fraudulently and artificially making this a growing movement. This past weekend was the first of these protests in the Phoenix area. Both CNN and local CBS, ABC and NBC affiliates reported there were "hundreds" of people protesting. I was there. I never counted more than 120 people over 4 hours. The very repsectful cops hauled away about 40 people who were simply assholes. If the camera crews had showed a reasonably wide-angle... just a shot from across the street from where they assembled... it would have looked very small and unimpressive. I've seen lines for movie tickets and sporting events that looked more intimidating. If the TV cameras stopped showing up at these "events" this movement would die a quick and proper death. It's bogus propaganda.

12clicks 10-17-2011 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Qbert (Post 18496277)
If you think anyone here believes your personal income exceeds $1.25 million a year then you're even more delusional than I thought. :1orglaugh
thats why you're a bottom runger and I'm not:thumbsup

I know it sounds like a bajillion kajillion dollars to trash like yourself but it ain't that hard to be a top 1%er:thumbsup


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