I have seen the same thing during the "riots" in Miami in the 1980's.
I was living down there then and on the CBS Evening News it looked like the entire city of Miami was on fire. My family was calling me worried and shit...but the reality was that it was a small city block by the interstate.

And if they had panned the camera back it would have shown how tiny the "riot" was. It wasn't even noticeable to us that lived there.

So yeah, I totally get what you're saying.

That's hardly an analogy you can validly use...

Interesting. Most people I see supporting it are solid middle class people who wake up and go to work every day. Sure, they're not in the park, but they still support the movement.

I guess you are either talking out of your ass or only know unemployed college kids... either way, that makes you look bad.

Ahahaha, who's talking out of his ass?

I don't have any "sides" to this. I think the "protests" and "movements" are all controlled (tea party and OWS)

But do you honestly think that everyday people who work for a living actually "support" this "movement"? I don't think so. I don't even think they give it a second thought in their everyday lives.

Most things that we are told by the media have the "nation's attention" really don't. It has the media's attention for sure. But do I think my Dad or my brothers (or myself) give two shits about any of the nonsense going on?

Hell no. My dad is more worried about his cattle ranch and would laugh derisively at all of that. And my brothers are too busy with their own businesses as well.

I DO get out a bit here in Vegas and see people from all over the country and the world at the clubs and casinos.

I have yet to have even ONE person discuss the "OWS" with me.

I have heard politics discussed. I've heard talk about taxes and other of the usual conversations that go on in social settings.

Not once have I heard anything about the OWS or Tea Party for that matter.

That shit is mostly "important" to the media because they think it helps their ratings. And it makes good discussion on message boards. But for middle class working people in everyday life across the country?
No.

You?

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Where are you seeing all of these solid middle class supporters of OW again? :1orglaugh

Like I said, you don't have to be at a park to support a movement.

The same people who were outraged when the Supreme Court ruled corps can freely donate to candidates are the people who are pissed at Wall Street.

Also, media is a biz. They give people what they want and nothing more. If there is coverage it is because people are eating it up. Both the tea party and OWS.

I am not "seeing" anything (like most are on the TV) ... I am talking to people. I don't know anybody willing to quit their job and go to NYC (which admittedly will probably mean this will fizzle) but that doesn't mean they don't hate the fact that Wall Street got bailouts and is doing so well yet they have foreclosures sitting on their street empty for two years or always pay their bills yet had their interest rates increase.

OCCUPY FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC!!!

Banks aren't any more greedy than Apple is! Blaming the financial crisis on greed is like blaming an airplane crash on gravity. The reason the bubble caused by low interest rates was allowed to get to such ridiculous proportions was because Fannie and Freddie said to banks: "You make whatever loans you want, and you don't have to worry about whether they get paid back. We'll buy them off you, and you won't lose any money. You can make safe loans with low profits, or dangerous loans with high profits, and either way you won't lose money."



They should be protesting the government, not the banks, IMHO.

Yeah, but to "support" a movement you have to agree with it and feel the same.
I'm not sure that everyday people in this country feel one way or another about them. And my gut feeling is that millions of rednecks and people living in small towns across this country think the whole thing is stupid.

Also as to the media coverage and people "eating it up"...the media was also 24/7 Anna Nicole Smith a couple of years back. They also were 24/7 Libya a few weeks ago. You get the idea...they over-do newstories. And when they decide to push whatever they push on a particular week, it's almost like there IS no other news in the world.

Just like the OWS thing. Suddenly we don't seem to have troops in Afghanistan, that whole Libya thing is forgotten, nobody in the world has died, that whole credit rating thing doesn't exist...

A lot of this is pure media driven. Not saying that there isn't more to it...but I am pretty sure that IF all the television cameras went away, the "protest" would be over by the end of the day.

Exactly. None of what is happening could have happened without the greed in Washington D.C. and our corrupt politicians.

So the corporate-run media outlets tell you to blame "the government" for all of your problems, instead of the corporations, and that makes perfect sense to you guys? No nuanced conflict of interest there?

As far as I can tell, shy of the media's distortion, the OWS movement is against BOTH corp AND government corruption, so I have no idea why either side wants to marginalize them.

Hate the way government works? Then maybe this is for you?...

http://www.getmoneyout.com/

It is very specific.

What are you talking about? What "corporate-run media outlet" have you heard say that?

Dude...you are so caught up in being a "democrat" that you can't see things clearly.
I for one, haven't heard any newscasts say "blame the govt., not corps"

Matter of fact, all I hear is the opposite. The media in our country doesn't question our govt. at all.

As I said in another post...back during the 1960's and 1970's the media was all over the govt.

Now? They just "report" whatever is on the sheet of paper they receive from the White House press secretary.

For the last 20 years or so I don't see the press EVER do any real investigative reporting on the corruption going on in Washington.

Whatever happened to REAL protest in this country?

Back during the LAST REAL protest (against the Vietnam War)...people didn't give a damn if Lyndon Johnson was a Democrat or Nixon was a Republican.

It was all about QUESTIONING AUTHORITY and fighting the good fight.

Now it's all about: "I'm a Democrat! Hear me roar!" Or "I'm a Republican! Hear me roar!"

It's pathetic.

I haven't seen any pro-Republican or pro-Democratic banners at any of the OWS rallies.

MSNBC just made he statement, "one month in, and the OWS movement goes international" While this voice-over was read, they ONLY showed burning cars and violent images.

The media will not benefit from the movement, so they will continue to vilify it.

ahhhh, if only that is what the protesters were protesting.

I'm not sure what your point is? I think we're mis-communicating.

What I'm saying is that the people debating this on this message board have a tendency to agree 100% with their "side" (you do that a lot...either the Democrats NEVER do anything you disagree with, or you are caught up in an "us against them" mentality)

And I'm not attacking you. I think you're an intelligent guy. I'm just debating it with you.

I think it's unhealthy for people to follow party lines or ideological lines. Nobody in OWS has to call themselves a Dem and nobody in the Tea Party has to call themselves a Repub.

It's pretty obvious what the overall ideology of these "movements" is.

I don't think they are trying to "villify" it. ESPECIALLY MSNBC which is crazy left biased.

I think they are showing the burning cars in ROME because they want ratings.
And the times I've seen the burning cars footage the reporter sounds pretty sympathetic to the protestors.

You know they always spin that stuff.
Just like when the Libyan Army tried to go into a town held by rebels. We bombed the fuck out of them and our govt. controlled media "reported" that it was to stop Ghadafi from slaughtering his citizens.
Now they show footage of the town Serta (I think that was the town) and it shows the NEW Libyan govt. forces (the former "rebels") rolling through town with military vehicles and the whole town is in ruins. And they "report" that the new govt. forces are trying to "take control" of the city full of "pro-Ghadafi" "forces".

In other words...it's okay for "our side" to slaughter civilians. lol

The media is 100% run by the U.S. Govt.
As is every aspect of your life.

She probably didn't. But the words are 100% true and apply to our country all the way. We definitely aren't "Free" even though we think we are.

?If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind??
― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law




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Forgive his ignorance. Only on the internet do you find semi retarded human beings who play the "someone is pulling the strings while you are all sheep" routine. It's hysterical.

I would occupy that pussy.
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Nope. You're too late. Thoughtful people have already begun to have a real discussion that requires reading skills and an attention span. :1orglaugh

The problem is that we were sold this bullshit about America moving towards a service sector economy that has come home to roost. The problem with a service sector economy is that there is nothing tangible produced to support a nation's currency, it's all stuff like "consulting" and "finance", and it's caused massive inflation. Not to mention most well paying service sector jobs require a college degree.


The American quality and standard of living will be stagnate over the next few generations, perhaps it will degrade slightly. As the global economy settles in on some equilibrium, developing nations standards of living will need to increase. Until that time, there is nothing that can be done short of out-and-out protectionism. And no self-respecting American consumerbot would ever go for that.


An 80¢/hr. factory worker in a plant in Xian Shaanxi Province is not improbable, but impossible to compete with today. The only thing to do is wait until his wages go up 400%(better hope they unionize over there and quick), and our buying power comes down 50%. At that point, when he is making about $2.80/hr, then and only then will domestic manufacturing begin to return, and thats in a scenario where some enterprising fool doesn't open a new plant in Burundi, Ethiopia, or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The American public was never sold on the idea of a service sector economy.

Instead, that concept was shoved down their throats by both political parties.

Let's not forget that had he not flaked out, Ross Perot may well have become this country's first elected third party president on the strength of his condemnation of NAFTA alone.

Since then, both political parties have continued to sing the same song regarding all but a handful of bullshit peripheral issues like "family values" and such.

Bottom line: At present, the ballot box offers no real alternative for a lot of pissed off American voters. Hence, the popularity of, first the teabaggers and now, the Occupy Wall Street movement.

This guy is a fear-mongering moron. No wonder you like him. Birds of a feather.

Almost every one of his idiotic videos is about the end of the world.

Translation: I have no idea what he's saying because I don't have common sense nor a basic understanding of economics, so I'm going to call you a sheep or whatever while I continue my leftist sheep mentality without even attempting a logical argument.

As usual, good show BFT3K.:thumbsup

no one was ever sold the idea of a "service sector" economy. what was pushed was alvin-toffler bs about a third wave information society. while everyone was focused on that carrot unions were crippled and real wage jobs sent overseas. the reality that was left was a service sector economy, because lets face it tech and computer jobs will always be for a small sector of the population.

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occupy wall street is no different then what happened with the early credit card bangers in porn.

yes it was wrong, but no violence happened. so no one was punished, they got away with it. yes a couple of people were made examples of, but only a SMALL percentage. basically the vast majority of bankers got away with it, and rubbed it in everyone's face when they got the bailout and then all took bonuses.

so I think what everyone is protesting about is that they were all too stupid to get in on it when the getting was good, that there is no real law. Law exists only for those with money. Money buys right. and as much as we all don't want to think that's true, that's the way it is.

Yeah, it was the poor people's fault for not being rich enough to rip-off the poor people.

Cool analogy! :thumbsup

Yea, it was the rich people's fault for living beyond their means. It was the rich people's fault for getting hilariously low ARMs that they couldn't afford. That's the beauty about the left. You don't need to take responsibility for anything, just blame someone else.

I was just a kid during that election. The only thing I remember about Ross Perot is that he reminded me of Frank Perdue - the guy who sold chickens. The fucked up thing is, that's probably all that most people who were adults at the time remember, too. His policies actually made a lot of sense though.

Can you see the world around you, with your head jammed that far up your own ass?