I was about to write" This thread is so awesome that the concerned person didn't even replied to it."

You mean there is actually an award for Troll of the year? Where do I sign..

I love naked girls that look like they were shot in the 80's

its the socks for me

damn player.

Seems ironic coming from you. You have a fucking comment about everything.

I saw a lunatic that was failing in a tiny little shithole of a studio which was unfinished in 04.... and as a result,trying to start tgps, paysites, having content blowouts for his super awesome content, trying to lease out his studios to others and who was admitting to winding his business down with Eva and her assistant shooting the majority of content. Even though at the time, you weren't exactly making that public. I see a guy who continued to license content to tube sites for cut rate prices because he had no choice, while lecturing non stop that tube sites were killing the business

By 05, you were here begging for money and your wife had to take a job as a cleaning woman to stay alive.

So... lets keep a little perspective on the alleged "success" of Paul Markham

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Hello my friend Damian did you have a good weekend?

Here's three:

1) Adapt or die
2) How to light a set
3) Quality of content is more important than traffic

Edit: and in the end nobody knows who's right and who's wrong because the big boys who know it all and make a few millions per year aren't posting their secrets in there. I'm just saying that I agree with many things Paul writes. And if he writes something that doesn't make any sense, that only confirms he's just another confused human being.

paul has no traffic and no clue how to generate it

he makes no affiliate sales, absolutely none

his content is worthless and nobody is buying it

that is all

umm, I know shap, met him and his wife many times. He's a good guy. And I know Paul, met him too many times. Not going to touch any argument between shap and paul, and I'm not going to say who was right and who was wrong. I don't know, not familiar with the disagreement. But because shap made more money in one niche area doesn't make shap right and an authority on everything, nor does decades of experience give paul any real insight into shap's business. If you don't understand that, then you're the idiot. Total and complete.

I doubt shap would jump on every thread unrelated to anything being discussed to hammer paul.... related topic yes. but what most crackhead trolls do when they keep hammering a topic unrelated to what';s being said again and again shows exactly just how fucked up they are.

Paul jumps on shap all of the time about things shap knows 1,000 times better than Paul.

While shap usually takes the high road, he's gotten tired of Pauls shit and Paul saying in a 10,000 word essay that shap doesn't know shit.

Shap isn't the only one Paul does that to but it is the best example.

reread what I said. I've never said Paul knows everything or is always right. I've also never said Paul doesn't often stick his nose where it doesn't belong. Paul's often wrong, but Paul also has a wealth of knowledge on content production and right or wrong, the things he talks about when speaking from his experience on that topic demand consideration just from his experience base if you have a brain, even if it's wrong. Shap wouldn't spend huge time responding to Paul if Paul didn't have that.

Just cause Paul is often wrong, doesn't mean he isn't right sometimes too. That's my point. Crackheads jump on Paul saying EVERYTHING he says is wrong. That's just stupid. Paul does say a LOT of intelligent things... sometimes you just have to look for it amongst 'other' material he writes about. Sometimes Paul is wrong, but sometimes Paul is spot on.

This post high lights the ease it is to lie on a forum.

Absolute bullshit.

I never criticised Shap about anything he knows more about than me. I criticised him on things I know more about than him. Content. He once said he was aiming at Penthouse and Playboy level. When I looked inside his site it was clear he was no where near it. Not even to the level of Club or Mayfair.

You don't build a site to compare with the top level by using shooters who have never been at that level.

I also pointed out out he could of got there without spending the money he thought it would need. By hiring an in house shooter who was that good, to sell his work online only in the site and offline to fund the content budget.

Now if you can find anything else I critised him on go for it and I will apologise. Otherwise I expect you to apologise to me.

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And this is the problem with forums.

I post after he sold to Manwin, that his content wasn't as good as people think. Then later in another post about funding content production how he and many others could of raised their members area to a new level, with absolutely no costs.

And Epitome makes untrue accusations about me critisising him about things he knows 1,000 times more than me. Well let him pt those posts up for all to see.

Yet the CCBILL link worked. I wasn't boasting of getting tons, I said I got some. Another example of the myth building.

My credibility was shot long before that thread.

It was shot when I said the content most were buying was crap, that giving away free porn wasn't the best way to sell porn. Well guess what.

Personally, the problem I have with Paul is his ego. That is just something I dislike in people in general. I will call anybody out on that shit though as too many people have an ego that is larger than their accomplishments.

Using shap as another example... I like him because people know how successful he is but it isn't through his own cheerleading. He speaks as an authority on things he is an authority on and just speaks generally on things he is not. I've seem him say in so many words that he was wrong about something. I can't recall Paul ever admitting to being wrong.

Hell people say you have a huge ego but i've even seen you step down once you find out more info (mark Hurson threads). I think you've become much more tolerable because whether you'll admit it or not, you've learned that you're not invincible and don't have all of the answers. You own up to your mistakes, not try to spin and spin until people forget.

Of course giving away free porn is not the best way to sell porn. What a genius you are with such an obvious statement.

Giving away free porn is the best way to get traffic. And traffic means sales if you know how to convert it. The quality of content was not a problem. Today it is part of the problem.

1) Adapt or die
I have adapted "Crossed the road" in porn more times than most here. In fact the only reason I'm online is because I adapted from offline. Most here think adapting is adopting the latest way of giving away more free content.

2) How to light a set.
Pretty easy today with digital. so it amazes me when people get it wrong.

3) Quality of content is more important than traffic.
Yes, but if your job is only driving traffic and you think all porn is the same. Then it's hard to figure it out. Because to get decent sales you need to get 1,000s of hits to the sponsor and then 10,000 on your site.

I sincerely believe there are few of them in online porn. The myth is that there are lots, yet even Lensman only got $9 million for his entire operation and him when sold to Playboy. A very nice sum. If he was making $2 million a year, then it seems small to me. And there's the problem, I have known people who do earn that much and their life style reflects it. Also when they think of business their approach is different to what I see online.

Yes there are a few who earn $2 million a year. But only a few. Probably Mallick did. :Oh crap

And as for not telling anyone how they do it. Well the moment they put it online the secret's out. And as online porn is home for copycats, their secrets are cloned by the lower rungs of the ladder.

For many the key to success was getting into the business in 1998, surviving, learning, adapting and making their fortune before free porn took over. No secrets.

not sure why you say I've learned I'm not invincible, I've always been like that.

thread from 2002 where I (actually) eat my hat cause I was wrong

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=974255#post974255

there's piles of other examples over the years where if someone shows proof I will change my opinion based on fact. It's actually easy to change my opinion, if you have FACTS, real facts that are credible. Personally I've always thought anyone who won't ever change their opinion based on new facts is an idiot.

Paul, the only problem with the above is you ignore Manwin, the biggest money maker in the biz that got that way by building traffic by giving away free porn. They entered the biz in I think it was 2006. The same year free video porn started taking off.

We can hate their methods all we want but we can't deny their success.

A huge part or shaps business, that resulted in millions in his pockets were tubes. Legal tubes even. Tubes that ended up being the single biggest affiliate for a lot of programs.

I know those facts get in the way of your argument but that doesn't mean they're not there for those who want to recognize the reality of things.

So Markham is an idiot?

J/K I get what you're saying.

Yet another example of how easy it is to lie on a message board.

Paul, we all know the links didn't work. And you got no sign ups. And yet you lied on boards saying you were getting loads of sign ups.

Give it up. You really have lost that argument man.

They took sales from other companies, many times turning 100 sales from other sites into only 50 on there's. Now if that's good long term business for the or the industry I'm a Dutchman. Because the one thing we have learned with online porn is we are good at teaching buyers, not to buy. They will get hit by the storm.


And I have never criticised him for running Tubes as an individual. I just feel escalating the amounts of free porn you supply to buyers destroys the aim, eventually. Never singled out Shap fr opening a Tube, in fact I can't remember me ever mentioning him having a Tube.
No the parts about Shap show you to be wrong or lying.

100 message board lies

Proof please.

Without access to my ccbill stats you have none and if I post them it will just be called Photoshopped.

Proof of what love?

That you lied back in the day about you join links, that you lied when you posted it was a programming mistake and not you or that you lied just now when you denied the entire thing ever happened?

I can do all three, lemme know which one you have forgotten about, love.

God it must suck getting so old your own lies trip you up.

:(

Paging shap. Please educate Paul on your history.

I also see from you're first paragraph you're back picking numbers out of thin air.

Of course I think you're just trolling at this point... just like you're trolling damian by denying the magic join links fiasco.

You see how easy it is to make accusations on a board with nothing to back them up?

Just as easy as it is to build myths. Epitome says Manwin are the biggest money makers in the biz. Has he seen their audited accounts. Is he their financial director? No he thinks they are the biggest money maker in the biz. Yet no one has a clue where they are, how many they employ, what their turnover is or their profit margin. In fact when anyone starts to dig, they can't get very deep.

Not like Ann Summers, or David Sullivan, or David Gold, or Larry Flynt, or Hugh Hefner and the list goes on. Paul Raymond.

I've stood in the offices of Score, Crescent, Hustler, PRO, Swank, Galaxy, Goldstar, Sullivan's office in his house. And Fabian Thylmann. Well he hasn't quite reached that level yet. The biggest money maker in the biz?????? :1orglaugh

And this is my problem. I see lots of fronts with nothing much concrete behind it when it comes to online porn.

I see companies and people who are clearly clueless about offline porn. They accuse offline of not coming online because "they don't understand it" When the truth is DVD companies were being told if they went online in a big way the shop chains would start to buy less or even not buy. Getting the priceless info on how to drive traffic to a site, isn't rocket science or expensive. Most here could of been employed by offline porn if they wanted a big presence online. They didn't want it until store sales were so low it didn't mater. Even today Max shows offline can achieve a level of porn online can't dream of funding.

Damian thinks Sullivan and Gold made their money outside porn. Well they did make a lot more outside porn, they had the seed money to do that from their porn sales. Does he know where that seed money really came from? I doubt it.

I do and it was a goldmine.

Is he typical of most of the keyboard warriors, just to vain and egotistical to keep invisible. A one man band, works from home and not making much money. Yet desperate to cling on to the belief he's part of a big business?

I'm not rich, just very comfortable, I don't live in a mansion, a nice 3 bedroom semi in a quiet village. We don't pay rent or a mortgage, we own the hose. We were not broke and I was not begging for money here. I was locked out of our bank accounts and offering any discounts to get money in so I could withdraw it on my credit card from the ATM. To pay staff. Yes I do have credit cards. but if Damian posts it often enough, others will pick it up and turn his lies into myths.

We don't spend a lot of money, bit of a miser really. It comes from getting as close to having bailiffs take away our belongings in the 70s that taught me that lesson. I actually have an offline sideline that gives me all the pocket money I need. :thumbsup

Bye, bye. Up dating the sites, then off to watch TV. If I were broke I would be building blogs. See sig and see how much that's progressing.

Here's a friendly reminder for everyone:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=692656

Good point well made.

is he still alive?

Hahah.. that was comedy gold.
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No Paul, this is not myth building.
Allegations against you are the truth, not mendacious smears.

I am not sure why everyone is obsessed with you. I feel bad for ya. Every woodchuck digs it's own hole, buddy.

Yes but fortunately I am really quick too.


I am betting not many women have heard that pick up line before.

lol easily the best thread here, and the icq logs are absolute gold :1orglaugh

Shut the fuck up, Sabby.
Shut the fuck up, Paul.
Shut the fuck up, Sally.