Without a pro or anti .xxx stance, in all fairness, it was in the end a registrar being unable to grab the domain faster than another registrar and wasn't ICM's fault. This doesn't mean there aren't valid pro and cons against .xxx, just that in this case, it turned out to be the registrar.

I strongly oppose .XXX. However, I don't want to be without a good seat should the music ever stop playing.

It's not about public or private stance, I've openly admitted to buying them. I openly opposed them (and still do) until they became a reality, but now I'm faced with the reality of what may be a very important business decision. I wish they didn't exist, but now they do.

Most people oppose paying taxes, but they do anyway. The world doesn't revolve around my wants, needs and wishes, unfortunately.



No point. No agenda. Just sharing what happened.

Everybody who has an online porn biz that's doing fine and has a future, has bought xxx domains, of course. You fuckers should be more concerned fighting piracy. ICM isn't stealing anything from you. The pirates are having a laugh at you; "look how these dumb fucks are arguing with each other about xxx domains while we continue stealing and selling their content from our .com domains!"

We're actually looking into piracy protection solutions that could be deployed across all .xxx domains.

You haven't been here long. While it's true that a lot of people with a successful business are buying .xxx even while blasting it online many are so hardheaded that they would go out of business before having one. It's happened before with other things. :1orglaugh

The solution is simple; make a form on your site on which people can report piracy through an xxx domain, the next step is ICM demanding proof of owned copyrights from the domain holder. Give them 7 days, then shut down the domain. Proof can consist of contracts between producer and domain holder, and/or model releases and/or video footage that has been edited out of the published videos. For example if someone steals my video then I'll be able to show you the shots in which you see me directing the models and curse the shit out of them when they do something wrong. The site that stole my video can't show you any of that, because they don't have it. Same goes for photo series, only the photographer can show you the take outs, the site that stole the photo series can't.

If you keep piracy from xxx domains like that, then xxx will be used by content producers and distributors and .com can have all the crap and stolen content being recycled over and over again. After a while the public will be aware of that, and those who are willing to pay for recently produced quality content will look on xxx domains and those who can't afford paying for porn or are suffering from stealing fetish will look on .com domains.

In other words; the money will go to xxx domains. Compare it to satellite TV... you now have hundreds of free "porn" channels showing ugly fat porn models with telephones and phone numbers crawling through the screen. Picture quality is so poor that it hurts your eyes and they can't even get the background music to play right without any distortion. Then you also have the pay channels. They're expensive, but the models are gorgeous and quality is good. There will always be people paying for the pay channels and people refusing to pay for anything or just not being able to pay for anything, and watch the free channels.

If you want to make xxx a quality thing... keep off the piracy. The only people making money from piracy are the pirates and they don't use that money for producing new content, they'll stick the money in their pockets. So piracy kills quality. If you keep off the piracy, the money will go to the actual content producers and they'll use that money for producing new, better, hotter, crazier content.

I've been in the porn biz for 20 years now and I keep getting amazed about the conservatism of most people in this biz. I blame it on stupidity and apathy and the lack of being able (and having the courage) to think for themselves. They disapprove anything new and strange, then once the new thing is taking off they start scratching their heads and when the new thing starts to grow big, they want to join it, and if they can't join it, they'll try to copy it. Most people in this biz are trying to copy others. So the ones who follow their own road buy xxx domains now and get spit on for that by the rest, but in a few months from now everybody will follow, and buy xxx domains as well.

But like I said, everybody in the porn biz should stop worrying about xxx domains and worry about the real problem; the content thieves.

This is bullshit. Let's see how you feel when some asshole comes to you and threatens you that if you don't buy your own domain (in .xxx) for x amount of dollars, they are going to sell it to a company in South Korea. Well, already happened to me, thanks.

Many very large Webmasters and Companies are already NOT supporting .xxx and I'm sure we're going to see plenty more to follow. .xxx is just going to be a ghetto for newbie webmasters and spammers that won't be able to get traffic because all the linklists and directories won't be listing .xxx domains. It's already happening.

You also got to love how they keep saying they are going to monitor domains, keep us free from piracy, and how they want to know 'what we are doing' with premium domains. I get it ... so if you want to register dick.xxx or sex.xxx they want to know what you're doing with it. If you want to register boykakke.xxx or straightrentboys.xxx (which infringes on an adult webmaster's copyrights) they don't give a flying fuck. How nice of them.

If I'm buying a domain name, it's none of the registrar's fucking business what I'm going to do with it as long as I'm not breaking copyright law or doing something illegal on it.

Go ahead and put your trust into .xxx. For all we know they could be devising ways right now on how to get the US government to force all adult sites onto .xxx and under their control. If that's the kind of environment you want to work in, go for it! I'm already making my 'Plan B' and believe me it's not going to be related to the porn business or working for Stuart Lawley.

If you play ICM's game, you shouldn't complain.

Your words and your actions say different things. If you really oppose .XXX --you wouldn't be buying any.

Your analogy with taxes is poor. It is a crime not to pay taxes.

:Oh crap

I'm always open for arguments and I compliment you on your clear way of explaining things. Point taken :-)

I kept all my .com domains and if xxx isn't going to work for me, I'll do my things on .com and on .com too it's possible to setup a network of content producers who co-operate on keeping their sites free of content thieves.

By the way, did you read xxx-principles-of-free-expression.pdf ? The only kind of pornography they address in there regarding banning is cp.

.xxx root zone file access was supposed to be available "in december". from that file, all kinds of things that ICM would like to hide can be made public; including a full list of reserved names.

Every TLD has to provide zone file access, per their ICANN agreement. To date no zone file applications, no contact info or even a phone number on ICM's website. Just a PO box. Always the sign of a trustworthy business.

For now... :warning

I was never going to even touch .xxx for so many reasons. Now I know I won't even fall for this scam when I am drunk and domain hunting in the middle of the night.

Fuck that.

I can understand (and hope) they will ban bestiality and death/snuff as well. If they ban anything else, it will give .xxx a bad name among the porn audience. Because if ICM censors .xxx sites, they're censoring the .xxx audience as well.

Are you seriously asking for stuff to be banned - given your content ?

I think you need to hope they are very liberal minded indeed......

Everybody who bought xxx should hope they are liberal minded and at the same time stick with the law. Yes some things should be banned and it's up to them where they draw the line. I would say... consenting adults. Draw the line there. Kids and animals and dying people aren't consent. But it's up to them, anything they ban that I find acceptable for distribution (consenting adults), I'll keep on .com

"International Foundation for Online Responsibility"..just think about what that could mean for content such as yours which is illegal in some places.

I oppose them but am smart enough to know that I may need a few in the future.

And it should be a crime to pay taxes. I don't live in the country I pay taxes too or use ANY of their services, ever.

I also oppose piracy but I support my host and billing company who apparently welcome piracy and profit from it. What am I going to do, cancel all my domains with Directnic because they offer .XXX? How about cancel my hosting because they will host them? Shit on CCbill because they process for every pirate stolen content site under the sun? I had just better get off the internet if that's the case.

However, it is a crime to not wear a helmet when you ride your bike, or wear a seat belt when you drive. I oppose both, but wear them.

A lot of good opposing .XXX got everyone by the way. It was a huge waste of time. It was always going to pass. Just like the tubes, cross sales, or whatever the fuck everyone is against this week, it's all just a waste to fight against shit that the majority clearly wants.

Anyone that has a problem with you making decisions for your own business isn't really worth responding to. If you ignored .xxx and all porn was forced there you would be fucked. That should be enough for everyone to STFU and stop worrying about your personal decisions. In fact you were vocal about what you did and didn't even have to be. Internet discussions always devolve into idealistic drivel for some reason. Hard to have a real conversation when it's always some holier than thou person responding to you.

:2 cents:

then it should work great across all .com domains as well :2 cents:

May have been confusing the way I worded it, but I was talking about lesbian vs lesbians, not a 4 char form of lesbian.

:warningBuy less domains/Build better sites.:2 cents:

Cause there is only one "correct" business model in porn. Got it, thanks! :thumbsup

More domains for Crappy sites works for people that don't need a ocean view:winkwink:

Videos showing naked breasts are illegal in Pakistan, they'll chop your head off for it. So I really cannot be too bothered too much about my stuff being illegal in some places.

Also, if they ban scat, the next step will be banning pissing, and then the next step will be banning squirting, and then the next step will be banning anal sex. Ever thought about what the bedlinnen of gay couples looks like in the morning? :1orglaugh

So I say again: consenting adults.

Jakez, you and I are great examples of people who don't understand each other most of the time without lowering themselves to cursing at each other and calling each other names, we keep respectful towards each other! We're role models!

No I can definately confirm that is one thing I have never, ever, thought about.

Not until now...fuck :Oh crap

ewwww some sick minds in here

Yeah it's funny how gays are the first in line to judge my content. If there's one species of humans mixing sex with shit, it's gays. Do you really think they wipe clean that penis when doing ass to mouth? Gay men love shit, just as long as it comes from other men. As soon as they see scat content that involves women, they freak out.

Actually out of all the guys I've ever fucked, I've hardly seen a bit scat. Maybe it's because I'm in Asia and they keep their holes as clean as a whistle, usually douching their asses before a fuck. I can remember a little terd popping out maybe one or two times but then it's straight to the shower...I've never put a piece of shit in my mouth or shit stained cock in my mouth and I think it's pretty rare the amount of guys that would.

??? the majority clearly wants? No, it's something the majority thinks they NEED because of fear tactics.

There is absolutely no real value to .XXX, it's just a money grab designed to benefit a few people, and in a year people will be letting their .XXX domains drop when they find out just how worthless they are.

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I agree with your comment about the majority of .xxx owners feel they need them. I don't think people shall drop .xxx due to the obvious reason, I think most surfers would click a .xxx first, including the google search probably bringing it higher :2 cents:



DWB... mate, its all wrong... they have stole the names from you, you paid for them :2 cents:

In Asia they also don't have toilet paper on the toilet, but a can of water, is that right? And don't you think you're an exception? I've walked into places where people where watching gay porn and many times the close-ups were rather shitty. But maybe it was Europorn which is usually a bit more realistic?

When I fuck a girl up her ass and ask her if she can do ATM and there's no poo on it, I'm very disappointed. In fact I have to smell poo when having sex otherwise I can't get an errection and even viagra doesn't help and the best birthday gift I ever received from a girlfriend was they day on which she had diarea, it was awesome partytime :thumbsup

Why is there so much talk about shit on this board now? LOL!!!

Yes. Someting stinks in this thread. :(

"we will not host tubes"

You're wondering as well how many paid .XXX shills are on the boards?

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True. But like McAfee, this would be at our expense, as an added benefit of being a .XXX domain owner.

fuck you are disgusting. stop posting.

So .xxx is all about shit porn, way to go.

What the fuck? Seek help lol.

Lay with sogs, you get fleas.

You want to use McAfee to keep xxx domains free of stolen content?

No, it's two separate things. Earlier this year, ICM Registry arranged for McFee's Secure service for the entirety of the .XXX domain space. This service, which allows you to register with McAfee, and display the McAfee Secure Trustmark on your sites, normally would cost over $300 per year and is provided for .XXX domain owners by ICM Registry at no extra charge.

Piracy protection solutions are something else. We recognize that piracy is one of the biggest challenges facing the industry today, and that there are several possible solutions to assist in combating the problem. We're looking at those now, to determine the best solution to deploy across the entire domain space, in much the same way as we did with McAfee - essentially as an added value service we can provide for our domain holders, with no extra cost to them.

Thats easy for you to say !!!