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kane 12-10-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 18621206)
On a side note, does anyone watch his show on FX, it's fucking hilarious.

I love the show. I first saw it when they released season 1 on Netflix and then watched season 2 on FX. It is one of the funniest shows on TV.

porno jew 12-10-2011 07:16 PM

you know things like this are pointless and can't generalized. the reddit, boing boing and free culture crowds will go out of their way to buy it to prove a point that torrenting doesn't hurt sales and the next guy who tries it will literally sell 10 copies. this scenario has repeated itself many many many times for awhile now.

kane 12-10-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18621169)
I don't even believe you need the cash.

Some business savvy coder is going to come and cleanup all these sites members in one swoop. They'll tie a nice payment system to a iTunes like solution and make deals with decent content owners and distributers.

And with 4G on the horizon, mobile porn is going to get more and more popular.

You have a great point. That would be a hell of a business if you could do it. Imagine being able to offer all the content from the biggest sites out there in one location at a pay per scene price. That could be a very lucrative deal for all involved.

kane 12-10-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621171)
the itunes "solution" owed much of it's success to the ipod and people wanting tp fill up their new toy with music. it's not as transferable as other people think.

can't really compare porn scenes to music tracks as well. people don't like them for the same reasons.

For sure, part of iTunes success is that they had a huge built in Apple fanboy crowd so they already had a bunch of traffic. They are also brilliant and branding their products. I have friends that used iTunes and never had an iPod or an iPhone. They just used it on their computer. When I told them Amazon was better because it had no DRM they didn't care they liked iTunes and were sticking with it. Now, of course, they have iPods and iPhones so it is one big branding success story.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621176)
you really think manwin, rk pimproll etc. have not already looked into that model? or already tried it?

Sure they have, they just haven't implemented it yet. In fact, they went straight to free with upsells / ad spots which was another previously ignored business model.

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 18621205)
Porn will require a totally unique model different from what works in mainstream. The reason being the streaming from big tube sites. Comparing mainstream ideas to porn is apples and oranges.

If an Alexa top 20 website was streaming Louis C.K's video, his method wouldn't work at all. Even the most honest person wouldn't finish watching a free version of his video then go buy the paid version, especially if when they searched for it, the free streaming version was number one in all the search engines.

If porn wasn't streaming in nearly 10 of the Alexa top 100 websites, some of the things you guys are talking about might work. But porn will require something totally different that has yet to be invented or thought of.

I'm NOT defending the current porn business model as it is obviously flawed, I'm just saying that mainstream ideas such as the one by Louis CK don't really compare.

Same with Hollywood movies, if several Alexa top 20 websites were streaming full television shows and movies, Netflix would go out of business in a few weeks.

Everything the man does is on YouTube. Is that not an Alexa top 20 website these days? If you have a price point that is reasonable and don't make people bend over backwards to use your content they will reward you.

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Originally Posted by See Cig (Post 18621207)
People dont recall when adult.com came up with an entire list of 10 dollar a month sites?

That lasted what.. 3 weeks?

Yes, nowhere near the same. On a paysite, especially one that is pretty damn small, $10 is about the same as $30 to a customer. Why take $10 rebills when only a few % less would pay $30?

There will be a cheap recurring paysite in the next few years. It will be loaded with content and have the best retention this industry has seen. Even if it weren't exactly a cheap recurring membership there will be some sites with unique monetization that pop up to fill that void.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621213)
you know things like this are pointless and can't generalized. the reddit, boing boing and free culture crowds will go out of their way to buy it to prove a point that torrenting doesn't hurt sales and the next guy who tries it will literally sell 10 copies. this scenario has repeated itself many many many times for awhile now.

NetFlix
Steam
iTunes
Hulu
Television
Red Box

Every one of those aside from Red Box sells a product that costs infinitely more to produce than adult content. Every one of those offers a price point that is much cheaper than adult content. No, it's not black and white but it's not apples to oranges either. There are some things adult could take from successful mainstream companies that would allow them to prosper. Maybe not every single adult company could do so but the first one to really put something useful out there will be rewarded for it. Or are we assuming $30 per month memberships are the way of the future even with Tubes and piracy?

tony286 12-10-2011 08:23 PM

A few things first 30 bucks a monthis very cheap when you consider you get everything someone ever produced. When at one time one 4 hr porn dvd was 70 dollars for a couple hrs ofcontent. Secondly mainsream and music have licensing opporunties porn doesnt have.So the movie for redbox for a dollar has been licensed seven different ways. Cost doesnt matter, songs are less than a dollar on itunes and still pirated.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18621362)
A few things first 30 bucks a monthis very cheap when you consider you get everything someone ever produced. When at one time one 4 hr porn dvd was 70 dollars for a couple hrs ofcontent. Secondly mainsream and music have licensing opporunties porn doesnt have.So the movie for redbox for a dollar has been licensed seven different ways. Cost doesnt matter, songs are less than a dollar on itunes and still pirated.

Red Box buys every single DVD they rent, they didn't license shit.

tony286 12-10-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18621369)
Red Box buys every single DVD they rent, they didn't license shit.

Im talking about the people who made those movies.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18621373)
Im talking about the people who made those movies.

I only mentioned Red Box because it's success shows that people will pay money for things they like if you make it easy (Wal Mart / gas stations) and don't fuck them on the price. A paysite will always be worth $30 to *some* people but for the bulk of the population it is overpriced and has been voted as such. How can Twisty's be worth the same price as somegirlwith20sets.com? It's not. It's worth $30 a month to not have to shove all of Twisty's content onto your hard drive, the same can't be said for the vast majority of sites out there. Those sites still have value but their overpricing limits them on customers.

Just wait until a real solo girl goes to the free method. Cute girl, free content, ad deals and alternative merchandise will turn her into a superstar. It's worth 7 figures if played right, of course some webmaster will probably get in the way and fuck it all up but at some point someone will figure it out.

There are still piles of money to be had in adult. Most are focusing on plugging leaks and complaining about what they can't stop instead of trying to evolve and it shows.

bronco67 12-10-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18621362)
A few things first 30 bucks a monthis very cheap when you consider you get everything someone ever produced. When at one time one 4 hr porn dvd was 70 dollars for a couple hrs ofcontent. Secondly mainsream and music have licensing opporunties porn doesnt have.So the movie for redbox for a dollar has been licensed seven different ways. Cost doesnt matter, songs are less than a dollar on itunes and still pirated.

problem with that model is that there's such WIDE range of products these days, who can afford to give 30 bucks a month to several different options? A la Carte would be a better option with the endless choices a viewer has.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18621384)
problem with that model is that there's such WIDE range of products these days, who can afford to give 30 bucks a month to several different options? A la Carte would be a better option with the endless choices a viewer has.

All it's going to take is a company with the money and the vision. They'll buy their own content, sell it every possible way and further damage the paysite model. You are exactly right, it's easy to claim a site is worth $30 if your customers were in a bubble. They aren't. They would have to pay tens of thousands per month to have access to everything and it's not happening. Those customers would gladly pay NetFlix prices to view content from hundreds of suppliers and someone will make that happen soon.

porno jew 12-10-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18621327)
NetFlix
Steam
iTunes
Hulu
Television
Red Box

Every one of those aside from Red Box sells a product that costs infinitely more to produce than adult content. Every one of those offers a price point that is much cheaper than adult content. No, it's not black and white but it's not apples to oranges either. There are some things adult could take from successful mainstream companies that would allow them to prosper. Maybe not every single adult company could do so but the first one to really put something useful out there will be rewarded for it. Or are we assuming $30 per month memberships are the way of the future even with Tubes and piracy?

all those are different you can't lump them together.

porno jew 12-10-2011 08:42 PM

pimproll has a netflix type site everything for 9.99. none of this is new or hasn't been tried before.

stocktrader23 12-10-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621400)
pimproll has a netflix type site everything for 9.99. none of this is new or hasn't been tried before.

That's like saying a single movie distributor has a NetFlix competitor. NetFlix combines content from multiple sources and lets me watch what I want, when I want, however the fuck I want. Pimproll does not offer that.

porno jew 12-10-2011 08:49 PM

that fact that porn is just not entertainment but a masturbation aid makes it a different beast as far as entertainment.

you can't just take a method of delivery from movies and music and port it over. people engage with porn and consume it in a unique way so the preferred sales and delivery is going to be different.

bronco67 12-10-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18621392)
All it's going to take is a company with the money and the vision. They'll buy their own content, sell it every possible way and further damage the paysite model. You are exactly right, it's easy to claim a site is worth $30 if your customers were in a bubble. They aren't. They would have to pay tens of thousands per month to have access to everything and it's not happening. Those customers would gladly pay NetFlix prices to view content from hundreds of suppliers and someone will make that happen soon.

The only reason I don't have Hulu Plus is because I have Netflix. The extra money is one thing, but I don't like the idea of having this huge pile of different services to keep track of.

gideongallery 12-10-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 18621205)
If an Alexa top 20 website was streaming Louis C.K's video, his method wouldn't work at all. Even the most honest person wouldn't finish watching a free version of his video then go buy the paid version, especially if when they searched for it, the free streaming version was number one in all the search engines.

actually your dead wrong

people will actually buy your shit AFTER you have just GIVEN it to them for free if you understand the new marketplace.

marlboroack 12-10-2011 11:08 PM

Supply and demand.

raymor 12-10-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621437)
that fact that porn is just not entertainment but a masturbation aid makes it a different beast as entertainment.

That's an interesting point.

Also I wonder how much of porn sales is an impulse purchase. A horny guy surfing the free promo stuff, like legit tubes, sees a girl he just has to see more of and is willing to fork over a few dollars for more of her. I'd guess much more so than music, where the consumer probably hears the exact ain't on the radio ten or twenty times before deciding to buy it when they get home. A few hours later they actually get around to buying it.

Paul Markham 12-11-2011 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18621025)
I just don't see why people sign up for $30 subs when they only want one scene. It's not worth it to them.

Pay by scene even at a slightly inflated price. Even limit the downloads like Louis CK has done here.

Why buy an album when all you want is 1 song?

Agree. Most people view a couple of scenes, sort out the one they want, jerk off and go about the rest of their lives. There are many ways to make a system to fit their needs.

Have a "wallet" type payment that a surfer can top up as he goes along deduct according to BW downloaded, charge by the days logged in charge per scene as you say. And more.

All harm the side of the business Stocktrader is in, traffic. It will mean surfers will pay less initially. They may stay members longer or they may convert faster. We don't know.
What we do know is it will have to be members areas that keep members buying and that means paying shooters more. It will mean less money for traffic, initially and with more being spent on content this will mean that money will have to be found. Only place it can be found is the "traffic" costs.

The "marketing" wil count for less, because marketing stops when the surfer sees the site. When he signs up, it's 100% down to the content of the tour. Not just the pictures and videos.

georgeyw 12-11-2011 04:04 AM

I think the most basic way to look at piracy is this.

People seem to only associate theft with actual real things - TANGIBLE GOODS :2 cents:

How to solve this problem = no idea.

kane 12-11-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18621746)
Agree. Most people view a couple of scenes, sort out the one they want, jerk off and go about the rest of their lives. There are many ways to make a system to fit their needs.

Have a "wallet" type payment that a surfer can top up as he goes along deduct according to BW downloaded, charge by the days logged in charge per scene as you say. And more.

All harm the side of the business Stocktrader is in, traffic. It will mean surfers will pay less initially. They may stay members longer or they may convert faster. We don't know.
What we do know is it will have to be members areas that keep members buying and that means paying shooters more. It will mean less money for traffic, initially and with more being spent on content this will mean that money will have to be found. Only place it can be found is the "traffic" costs.

The "marketing" wil count for less, because marketing stops when the surfer sees the site. When he signs up, it's 100% down to the content of the tour. Not just the pictures and videos.

What you are describing has been around for a while. There are many sites that offer pay per view. The pricing might not be great (in all honesty I'm not sure how much they charge) but there are many sites out there where you can pay per minute or pay to just watch one video on the site and nothing more. If you just want to watch 8 minutes of a movie, that is all you pay for.

Even if you came up with a world class system that delivered a ton of great content at a very good price that the buyer could pay per minute or video watched etc you still need traffic. The best site in the world is nothing without visitors. This isn't Field of Dreams. If you build it, they just don't show up. You still have to market the site and get people to i.

kane 12-11-2011 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 18621762)
I think the most basic way to look at piracy is this.

People seem to only associate theft with actual real things - TANGIBLE GOODS :2 cents:

How to solve this problem = no idea.

Yep. many people who illegally download movies and music would never in a million years consider walking into a store and stealing something, yet somehow they feel like it is okay to pirate content.

georgeyw 12-11-2011 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18621766)
Yep. many people who illegally download movies and music would never in a million years consider walking into a store and stealing something, yet somehow they feel like it is okay to pirate content.

Exactly - it's a mindset / perceived value of something they can touch and hold.

Jakez 12-11-2011 04:23 AM

Bought it, found this guy on Netflix a while ago, love his comedy.

Paul Markham 12-11-2011 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18621097)
I think it will break down something like this in the end:

80% --scum that just take it for free.
10% --cheap bastards that pay one penny
9% --people who understand the idea and want the artist to get paid, so they do about 5 bucks
1% - people that overpay anywhere from 10 bucks up to 100, because they really love Louis CK.

Spot on. Pirating is now cultural. They download it because it's free sometimes, not because they want it. It's free so grab it and then decide if they like it. Scum will always find an excuse to be scum, as Jim points out in the previous post.

Will crashing the price or adopting a price structure, as I suggested, bring enough back to paying after the way we treated them? Highly unlikely IMO.

Will affiliates send traffic to sites where they earn less or likely to earn less? Highly unlikely IMO. Kane points it out here.

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What you are describing has been around for a while. There are many sites that offer pay per view. The pricing might not be great (in all honesty I'm not sure how much they charge) but there are many sites out there where you can pay per minute or pay to just watch one video on the site and nothing more. If you just want to watch 8 minutes of a movie, that is all you pay for.

Even if you came up with a world class system that delivered a ton of great content at a very good price that the buyer could pay per minute or video watched etc you still need traffic. The best site in the world is nothing without visitors. This isn't Field of Dreams. If you build it, they just don't show up. You still have to market the site and get people to i.
Yes I know there are sites, as you say they have to over charge to get traffic. Classic Catch 22.

We made our bed before hosting costs nose dived, we now have to live with it. We built the wall and now we can't knock it down. Affiliates are very much in charge. :(

Even Pornhub is an "affiliate" in that it's not a paysite, it's purely a site to drive traffic to certain places. Multiply the traffic of PH by the 20 other top Tubes, reckon on the conversion rate. Then compare it to 2005 and do the same with the top 20 TGP sites. And you have in a nutshell why the business has nose dived.

The argument "it brought millions to porn" is bullshit. As most left their money at home. :Oh crap

gideongallery 12-11-2011 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18621766)
Yep. many people who illegally download movies and music would never in a million years consider walking into a store and stealing something, yet somehow they feel like it is okay to pirate content.

yeah isn't it terrible that you can't do the same shit with your copyright content that you can do with real tangible goods

like sell them, rent them, break the apart and make new stuff with them

oh wait

maybe copyright is not the same fucking thing as selling tangible goods and misrepresenting it as such is a scum bag move

you want people to feel bad about piracy give them all the rights they would have with real tangible goods first.

gideongallery 12-11-2011 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18621786)
Spot on. Pirating is now cultural. They download it because it's free sometimes, not because they want it. It's free so grab it and then decide if they like it. Scum will always find an excuse to be scum, as Jim points out in the previous post.

you mean people want to use torrents like a radio station

the horror they want to use the new technology like the old technology

how dare they not let you force them backward while continue to benefit from the technology shift

don't they realize they deserve to be second class citizens when it comes to technology enhancements.




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We made our bed before hosting costs nose dived, we now have to live with it. We built the wall and now we can't knock it down. Affiliates are very much in charge. :(

Even Pornhub is an "affiliate" in that it's not a paysite, it's purely a site to drive traffic to certain places. Multiply the traffic of PH by the 20 other top Tubes, reckon on the conversion rate. Then compare it to 2005 and do the same with the top 20 TGP sites. And you have in a nutshell why the business has nose dived.

The argument "it brought millions to porn" is bullshit. As most left their money at home. :Oh crap
if you understood the shift you would realize that you actually have control

you have a government granted monopoly for christ sake

how stupid do you have to be not to realize that power.

Paul Markham 12-11-2011 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18621110)
Porn has been selling pay per scene for a long time. Clips 4 Sale and other sites like it let you browse, get a few sample screenshots from the video and buy it if you want it. No subscription no recurring cost, you just buy the movie you want.

This is nothing new.

Here is why people join paysites. If it has a cheap trial they get access to a ton of content for just a few dollars. Even if the site doesn't they pay around $30 and can get access to a ton of content. They then download it all and end up paying just a few cents per scene then cancel their membership. It is still a good value for those who want access to a lot of stuff. There are many networks out there that will give you access to a few thousand exclusive scenes. That is a lot of porn for $30.

Which would be fine if 1000s didn't for the one who does. Argue with the numbers, you still get what I mean.

There's another problem with bringing down the prices. It assumes the site has something unique the buyer has to buy, as he can't get this brand for free. Well that applies to a handful of sites. Few a very few have something like that. So what ever site A &C do to get the free loaders back sites C-Z are doing little to nothing or just loading their content on free tubes.

Argue with the numbers, the principle remains the same.

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so out of the box it was done years ago with clips4sale and many others.
Clips 4 sale is fine for Ma & Pa and part timers. Fail.

Paul Markham 12-11-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 18621205)
Porn will require a totally unique model different from what works in mainstream. The reason being the streaming from big tube sites. Comparing mainstream ideas to porn is apples and oranges.

If an Alexa top 20 website was streaming Louis C.K's video, his method wouldn't work at all. Even the most honest person wouldn't finish watching a free version of his video then go buy the paid version, especially if when they searched for it, the free streaming version was number one in all the search engines.

If porn wasn't streaming in nearly 10 of the Alexa top 100 websites, some of the things you guys are talking about might work. But porn will require something totally different that has yet to be invented or thought of.

I'm NOT defending the current porn business model as it is obviously flawed, I'm just saying that mainstream ideas such as the one by Louis CK don't really compare.

Same with Hollywood movies, if several Alexa top 20 websites were streaming full television shows and movies, Netflix would go out of business in a few weeks.

100% spot on. Eradicate piracy and Tubes get the traffic.

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18621208)
Figures that this thread was derailed by Paul Markham in less than 5 replies.

So contribute something other than the usual flame. Assuming you have anything to contribute.

Whether we like it or not 99.99% or even a bigger % of porn consumers are telling you one thing. We're simply not competing with the free model.

clips4sale, PPV, or any other models are not working well enough to continue to support the industry I knew. And unless we can come up with something that Pornhub can't give away, can't be pirated and can be afforded. The industry will continue to shrink.

Candyflip and others may not like me saying that, doesn't make the truth wrong. Naturally a few will come in and tell us how well they're doing. Without posting any real proof. The evidence is all around us.

I'm just glad I made my money when porn was shrink wrapped.

stocktrader23 12-11-2011 08:39 AM

Why would clips4sale complete? Not only do they not have a good selection the site looks like it's from 1996. Then there's this.

Price: $7.99 USD
Length: 7 minutes

So a 7 minute clip delivered instantly online should cost more than a cheap DVD?

Come on now, you can't throw up shit then say the model doesn't work because not enough buy the garbage.

stocktrader23 12-11-2011 08:40 AM

And PPV? Nobody wants to pay $30 for 15 minutes of a damn movie. The point is to offer a better price, not worse.

CaptainHowdy 12-11-2011 09:36 AM

I wouldn't even watch his performance for free ...

scuba steve 12-11-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18621013)
$100,000 buys a whole hell of a lot of content

unless you're buying really shitty, old, redundant content, 100k isn't going to buy you much in terms of quantity:2 cents:

stocktrader23 12-11-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 18622067)
unless you're buying really shitty, old, redundant content, 100k isn't going to buy you much in terms of quantity:2 cents:

You don't need exclusive content to offer it at a better price point. As long as it's not something years old you could do well.

http://www.videobox.com/tour/home/

baryl 12-11-2011 10:24 AM

Porn should be cheaper, not more expensive than mainstream imo. I'm talking like $1 or so per movie and then people will wind up spending more than they would have on a membership anyways and you'll have more people doing it.
If I'm jerking off and just have to see some hot movie I'm looking at, I'm not going to think twice about only a buck but my brain will take over and stop me from spending like $60.

stocktrader23 12-11-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by baryl (Post 18622130)
Porn should be cheaper, not more expensive than mainstream imo. I'm talking like $1 or so per movie and then people will wind up spending more than they would have on a membership anyways and you'll have more people doing it.
If I'm jerking off and just have to see some hot movie I'm looking at, I'm not going to think twice about only a buck but my brain will take over and stop me from spending like $60.

I agree which is why I brought up the point that places like NetFlix have so much more invested in their content but can still hit the $10 per month price point. Louis CK sold a full DVD quality recording for $5, that's at least reasonable.

bronco67 12-11-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by baryl (Post 18622130)
Porn should be cheaper, not more expensive than mainstream imo. I'm talking like $1 or so per movie and then people will wind up spending more than they would have on a membership anyways and you'll have more people doing it.
If I'm jerking off and just have to see some hot movie I'm looking at, I'm not going to think twice about only a buck but my brain will take over and stop me from spending like $60.

It should be cheaper because there just so much of it -- and a lot of it is the same exact shit. I love Jayden James, but how many different scenes of giving a blowjob, getting fucked in 3 positions and eating a load do I need to see?

tony286 12-11-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18621942)
100% spot on. Eradicate piracy and Tubes get the traffic.



So contribute something other than the usual flame. Assuming you have anything to contribute.

Whether we like it or not 99.99% or even a bigger % of porn consumers are telling you one thing. We're simply not competing with the free model.

clips4sale, PPV, or any other models are not working well enough to continue to support the industry I knew. And unless we can come up with something that Pornhub can't give away, can't be pirated and can be afforded. The industry will continue to shrink.

Candyflip and others may not like me saying that, doesn't make the truth wrong. Naturally a few will come in and tell us how well they're doing. Without posting any real proof. The evidence is all around us.

I'm just glad I made my money when porn was shrink wrapped.

The porn industry you knew was alot smaller and alot more profitable. I think its going to go back to that. Porn isnt profitable at $2 a scene when you have pay production, affiliates, traffic ,etc etc.
Porn isnt mainstream. Run Run Shaw once said give me a movie with a beginning ,middle ,end and made under 5 million dollars and I will make a profit with it. That's because of licensing.
When you see a dvd for 50 million dollar movie can be so cheap because its been licensed in a dozen different ways and then there are the fancy accounting so even if it doesnt make money it makes money. In main stream you produce one hit tv series that shoots 100 episodes , if you never work again you are set for life. Getting checks til you die, porn doesnt work that way.

Music you have licensing in commercials, going on tour, selling t shirts and assorted bullshit to sell.
Its not as cut and dry.
Louis CK maybe selling online for $5 bucks but trust me that wont be the only way his people will sell it. First there is the tickets to the show, then the shit sold at the show, then the licensing for TV, maybe a cd ,itunes and then a dvd.


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