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you know things like this are pointless and can't generalized. the reddit, boing boing and free culture crowds will go out of their way to buy it to prove a point that torrenting doesn't hurt sales and the next guy who tries it will literally sell 10 copies. this scenario has repeated itself many many many times for awhile now.
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There will be a cheap recurring paysite in the next few years. It will be loaded with content and have the best retention this industry has seen. Even if it weren't exactly a cheap recurring membership there will be some sites with unique monetization that pop up to fill that void. |
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Steam iTunes Hulu Television Red Box Every one of those aside from Red Box sells a product that costs infinitely more to produce than adult content. Every one of those offers a price point that is much cheaper than adult content. No, it's not black and white but it's not apples to oranges either. There are some things adult could take from successful mainstream companies that would allow them to prosper. Maybe not every single adult company could do so but the first one to really put something useful out there will be rewarded for it. Or are we assuming $30 per month memberships are the way of the future even with Tubes and piracy? |
A few things first 30 bucks a monthis very cheap when you consider you get everything someone ever produced. When at one time one 4 hr porn dvd was 70 dollars for a couple hrs ofcontent. Secondly mainsream and music have licensing opporunties porn doesnt have.So the movie for redbox for a dollar has been licensed seven different ways. Cost doesnt matter, songs are less than a dollar on itunes and still pirated.
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Just wait until a real solo girl goes to the free method. Cute girl, free content, ad deals and alternative merchandise will turn her into a superstar. It's worth 7 figures if played right, of course some webmaster will probably get in the way and fuck it all up but at some point someone will figure it out. There are still piles of money to be had in adult. Most are focusing on plugging leaks and complaining about what they can't stop instead of trying to evolve and it shows. |
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pimproll has a netflix type site everything for 9.99. none of this is new or hasn't been tried before.
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that fact that porn is just not entertainment but a masturbation aid makes it a different beast as far as entertainment.
you can't just take a method of delivery from movies and music and port it over. people engage with porn and consume it in a unique way so the preferred sales and delivery is going to be different. |
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people will actually buy your shit AFTER you have just GIVEN it to them for free if you understand the new marketplace. |
Supply and demand.
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Also I wonder how much of porn sales is an impulse purchase. A horny guy surfing the free promo stuff, like legit tubes, sees a girl he just has to see more of and is willing to fork over a few dollars for more of her. I'd guess much more so than music, where the consumer probably hears the exact ain't on the radio ten or twenty times before deciding to buy it when they get home. A few hours later they actually get around to buying it. |
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Have a "wallet" type payment that a surfer can top up as he goes along deduct according to BW downloaded, charge by the days logged in charge per scene as you say. And more. All harm the side of the business Stocktrader is in, traffic. It will mean surfers will pay less initially. They may stay members longer or they may convert faster. We don't know. What we do know is it will have to be members areas that keep members buying and that means paying shooters more. It will mean less money for traffic, initially and with more being spent on content this will mean that money will have to be found. Only place it can be found is the "traffic" costs. The "marketing" wil count for less, because marketing stops when the surfer sees the site. When he signs up, it's 100% down to the content of the tour. Not just the pictures and videos. |
I think the most basic way to look at piracy is this.
People seem to only associate theft with actual real things - TANGIBLE GOODS :2 cents: How to solve this problem = no idea. |
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Even if you came up with a world class system that delivered a ton of great content at a very good price that the buyer could pay per minute or video watched etc you still need traffic. The best site in the world is nothing without visitors. This isn't Field of Dreams. If you build it, they just don't show up. You still have to market the site and get people to i. |
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Bought it, found this guy on Netflix a while ago, love his comedy.
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Will crashing the price or adopting a price structure, as I suggested, bring enough back to paying after the way we treated them? Highly unlikely IMO. Will affiliates send traffic to sites where they earn less or likely to earn less? Highly unlikely IMO. Kane points it out here. Quote:
We made our bed before hosting costs nose dived, we now have to live with it. We built the wall and now we can't knock it down. Affiliates are very much in charge. :( Even Pornhub is an "affiliate" in that it's not a paysite, it's purely a site to drive traffic to certain places. Multiply the traffic of PH by the 20 other top Tubes, reckon on the conversion rate. Then compare it to 2005 and do the same with the top 20 TGP sites. And you have in a nutshell why the business has nose dived. The argument "it brought millions to porn" is bullshit. As most left their money at home. :Oh crap |
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like sell them, rent them, break the apart and make new stuff with them oh wait maybe copyright is not the same fucking thing as selling tangible goods and misrepresenting it as such is a scum bag move you want people to feel bad about piracy give them all the rights they would have with real tangible goods first. |
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the horror they want to use the new technology like the old technology how dare they not let you force them backward while continue to benefit from the technology shift don't they realize they deserve to be second class citizens when it comes to technology enhancements. Quote:
you have a government granted monopoly for christ sake how stupid do you have to be not to realize that power. |
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There's another problem with bringing down the prices. It assumes the site has something unique the buyer has to buy, as he can't get this brand for free. Well that applies to a handful of sites. Few a very few have something like that. So what ever site A &C do to get the free loaders back sites C-Z are doing little to nothing or just loading their content on free tubes. Argue with the numbers, the principle remains the same. Quote:
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Whether we like it or not 99.99% or even a bigger % of porn consumers are telling you one thing. We're simply not competing with the free model. clips4sale, PPV, or any other models are not working well enough to continue to support the industry I knew. And unless we can come up with something that Pornhub can't give away, can't be pirated and can be afforded. The industry will continue to shrink. Candyflip and others may not like me saying that, doesn't make the truth wrong. Naturally a few will come in and tell us how well they're doing. Without posting any real proof. The evidence is all around us. I'm just glad I made my money when porn was shrink wrapped. |
Why would clips4sale complete? Not only do they not have a good selection the site looks like it's from 1996. Then there's this.
Price: $7.99 USD Length: 7 minutes So a 7 minute clip delivered instantly online should cost more than a cheap DVD? Come on now, you can't throw up shit then say the model doesn't work because not enough buy the garbage. |
And PPV? Nobody wants to pay $30 for 15 minutes of a damn movie. The point is to offer a better price, not worse.
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I wouldn't even watch his performance for free ...
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http://www.videobox.com/tour/home/ |
Porn should be cheaper, not more expensive than mainstream imo. I'm talking like $1 or so per movie and then people will wind up spending more than they would have on a membership anyways and you'll have more people doing it.
If I'm jerking off and just have to see some hot movie I'm looking at, I'm not going to think twice about only a buck but my brain will take over and stop me from spending like $60. |
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Porn isnt mainstream. Run Run Shaw once said give me a movie with a beginning ,middle ,end and made under 5 million dollars and I will make a profit with it. That's because of licensing. When you see a dvd for 50 million dollar movie can be so cheap because its been licensed in a dozen different ways and then there are the fancy accounting so even if it doesnt make money it makes money. In main stream you produce one hit tv series that shoots 100 episodes , if you never work again you are set for life. Getting checks til you die, porn doesnt work that way. Music you have licensing in commercials, going on tour, selling t shirts and assorted bullshit to sell. Its not as cut and dry. Louis CK maybe selling online for $5 bucks but trust me that wont be the only way his people will sell it. First there is the tickets to the show, then the shit sold at the show, then the licensing for TV, maybe a cd ,itunes and then a dvd. |
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