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Coup 12-20-2011 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641514)
The more I read your posts the more you seem anti-American.

Maybe you should move somewhere else.

Go wave your fucking flags in someone elses face you mindless patriotic retard.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18641516)
Go wave your fucking flags in someone elses face you mindless patriotic retard.

The more of your posts that I read I also get the feeling that you have a lot of pent up anger. You mad bro? lol

seeandsee 12-20-2011 04:42 AM

Ron Paul is next president, other can fuck off :)

Coup 12-20-2011 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641520)
The more of your posts that I read I also get the feeling that you have a lot of pent up anger. You mad bro? lol

You serious with this post? lol.. really? lmfao. I suggest you take a look at your own post history bro.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18641524)
You serious with this post? lol.. really? lmfao. I suggest you take a look at your own post history bro.

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Coup 12-20-2011 04:47 AM

That's right. I'm trembling with furious anger right now. I could barely type this post.

Coup 12-20-2011 04:48 AM

Look how furrowed my brows are. I could not possibly furrow them any deeper

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 18641522)
Ron Paul is next president, other can fuck off :)

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Emil 12-20-2011 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18640927)

That's a good argument, fucking retard.

uno 12-20-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641224)
Reptilian agent from middle earth? Damn I wanna try some of what you're smokin on...

I need some indica. The sativa is shit, imho.

uno 12-20-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641248)
Last time I checked slavery was abolished many years ago.

Therefore freedom and liberty now applies to all people, as it should have in the first place.

The founding fathers had the right idea when it came to forming a free republic. They laid down the groundwork for a free society. It just wasn't until later that everyone was able to enjoy freedom and liberty.

The point here is that we need to do anything possible to make sure it remains this way and that our rights and liberties are not taken away. This is what people like Ron Paul are all about, the right to live your life how you want without government interfering.

:1orglaugh Yes, counting blacks as 3/5 of a person was really spot on for them. Keeping their slaves till they died was also righteous.

uno 12-20-2011 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nextri (Post 18641320)
The fact that Ron Paul is getting so much support these days, will only make sure Obama wins another term.
Ron Paul won't win the republican nomination, but will run as an independent. This will split the republican voters into two groups, giving obama another 4 years.

No he won't.

glamourmodels 12-20-2011 07:45 AM

Dont let it get to you bro, Coup has some serious mental health issues and I dont mean that to flame him. He is either some paid poster or literally a complete whack job with definite anger issues, his mama did not breast feed him or something. Take your pick. There really is no middle ground with him, it is one or the other. LOL

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641520)
The more of your posts that I read I also get the feeling that you have a lot of pent up anger. You mad bro? lol


baddog 12-20-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641309)
Not sure what you mean by vice-president, but as far as the rest of the GOP candidates I wouldn't trust a single one of them.

You are aware that the President has a running mate in the general election, right? Who do you think Ron Paul should pick top be him running mate should he get the nomination? Keep in mind, this person would have to be able to carry on the ideals of your philosophical revolution AND be enough to beat Obama.

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641343)
That's a good point, except Donald Trump has pledged to run as an independent . . . l

Does he have you bamboozled too? And you are always talking about the sheep. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

glamourmodels 12-20-2011 10:25 AM

I dont think he is a registered Republican but Jesse Ventura has expressed interest in running with Dr. Paul, whether Republican or not he certainly fits the bill ideologically and brings a degree of star power to the ticket.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18642186)
You are aware that the President has a running mate in the general election, right? Who do you think Ron Paul should pick top be him running mate should he get the nomination? Keep in mind, this person would have to be able to carry on the ideals of your philosophical revolution AND be enough to beat Obama.


baddog 12-20-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18642201)
I dont think he is a registered Republican but Jesse Ventura has expressed interest in running with Dr. Paul, whether Republican or not he certainly fits the bill ideologically and brings a degree of star power to the ticket.



Jesse Ventura? Okay, that figures. And you think Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura can beat Obama?

baddog 12-20-2011 11:35 AM

Guess not.

porno jew 12-20-2011 11:39 AM

i think the two party system is a scam. vote ron paul for the republican nomination.

_Richard_ 12-20-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18641202)
Brainwashed much? You sound like a cult member to me.

he has a valid point and you're attacking him with a.. straw man argument?

hahaha

sorry, but keep throwing up these softies..

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18642186)


Does he have you bamboozled too? And you are always talking about the sheep. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Wtf are you talking about "bamboozled?" Donald Trump is a piece of shit establishment shill like the rest. You actually thought that me simply stating that he might run as an independent means that I would support him? lol, get real.

Tempest 12-20-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18641274)
They are starting to realize that most of the candidates are typical wall-street owned elitist globalist pricks. Ron Paul is obviously the opposite of that.

Really? Are you serious? Ron Paul's policy would allow the rich to get richer while fucking over everyone else... Take off the blinders... Look at how humanity actually seeks to destroy itself, only look out for themselves, fucks over everyone they can in order to get to the top.. Then have a good look at what his policies would do, how they would free up humanity to do exactly that.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18642810)
Really? Are you serious? Ron Paul's policy would allow the rich to get richer while fucking over everyone else... Take off the blinders... Look at how humanity actually seeks to destroy itself, only look out for themselves, fucks over everyone they can in order to get to the top.. Then have a good look at what his policies would do, how they would free up humanity to do exactly that.

It's called freedom to live your life how you want. Laws are necessary to protect people from being hurt by others, laws which we already have in place. It is illegal to steal from someone, to hurt someone, etc.

You're against people getting rich? lol

That is part of what makes America great. Ever heard of "rags to riches?"

baddog 12-20-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642747)
Wtf are you talking about "bamboozled?" Donald Trump is a piece of shit establishment shill like the rest. You actually thought that me simply stating that he might run as an independent means that I would support him? lol, get real.

Trump is NEVER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Yes, you have been bamboozled again. There is far too much disclosure involved for him to run. :2 cents:

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18642833)
Trump is NEVER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Yes, you have been bamboozled again. There is far too much disclosure involved for him to run. :2 cents:

Why do you speak in such absolutes? I used the word "might" run as an independent because he has said so, I'm just going off what he said.

But I guess your magic crystal ball told you he is NEVER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. lol

Can I have the mega millions numbers for tonight while you're at it?

Tempest 12-20-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642830)
It's called freedom to live your life how you want. Laws are necessary to protect people from being hurt by others, laws which we already have in place. It is illegal to steal from someone, to hurt someone, etc.

You're against people getting rich? lol

That is part of what makes America great. Ever heard of "rags to riches?"

It's called anarchy and chaos... I'm against the "rich" setting things up so no one else can get rich and that's exactly what's happening now and Ron Paul will make worse. I'm for a fair playing field with balanced regulations and laws that allow for "anyone" to make it.

Doesn't matter though.. When the "Elite" decided to move the US from a manufacturing economy to a services and financial economy a couple decades ago, the die was cast and the US will continue it's slide to a 3rd world economy because no one, not Ron Paul or anyone else can or will fix things.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18642854)
It's called anarchy and chaos... I'm against the "rich" setting things up so no one else can get rich and that's exactly what's happening now and Ron Paul will make worse. I'm for a fair playing field with balanced regulations and laws that allow for "anyone" to make it.

Doesn't matter though.. When the "Elite" decided to move the US from a manufacturing economy to a services and financial economy a couple decades ago, the die was cast and the US will continue it's slide to a 3rd world economy because no one, not Ron Paul or anyone else can or will fix things.

Anarchy?

Either you know nothing about Ron Paul's philosophy or you don't know what anarchy means. lol

Tempest 12-20-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642870)
Anarchy?

Either you know nothing about Ron Paul's philosophy or you don't know what anarchy means. lol

I'm glad you said philosophy as that's exactly what it is.. pie in the sky theory that doesn't take into account the realities of humanity, the dog eat dog mentality.. Oh sure he has some things that make sense but for the most part, he would create a country that is more divisive than it is now.

baddog 12-20-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642852)
Why do you speak in such absolutes? I used the word "might" run as an independent because he has said so, I'm just going off what he said.

But I guess your magic crystal ball told you he is NEVER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. lol

Can I have the mega millions numbers for tonight while you're at it?

He is never running and you are suggesting anarchy.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18642969)
He is never running and you are suggesting anarchy.

Where am I suggesting anarchy? Even a few posts back I explained how we have laws in place to protect people from things like theft and injury. How can you have laws in a system of anarchy? I seriously don't think you guys understand what anarchy is. Anarchy would mean that we wouldn't even follow our constitution. lol

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 03:54 PM

an·ar·chy [an-er-kee]
noun
1. a state of society without government or law.

lol, that has nothing to do with Ron Paul's constitutional view of how government is supposed to work.

baddog 12-20-2011 03:59 PM

"It's called freedom to live your life how you want." = Anarchy

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18642982)
"It's called freedom to live your life how you want." = Anarchy

That is obviously a vague statement...

We have LAWS when it comes to important things.

You should be allowed to live your life how you want AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HURT OTHERS OR INFRINGE ON THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE HOW THEY WANT. Get it? It's a pretty simple concept, one which is not "anarchy."

I bet you think it's okay for the federal government to tell you which substances you are allowed to put inside of your own body don't you? Nothing to worry about, the government will protect you from yourself!

baddog 12-20-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642987)
That is obviously a vague statement...

We have LAWS when it comes to important things.

You should be allowed to live your life how you want AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HURT OTHERS OR INFRINGE ON THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE HOW THEY WANT. Get it? It's a pretty simple concept, one which is not "anarchy."

I bet you think it's okay for the federal government to tell you which substances you are allowed to put inside of your own body don't you? Nothing to worry about, the government will protect you from yourself!

So, do what you want to do only applies to drugs. I get it now. You don't seem to understand that if you get to do what you want to do, I get to do what I want to do and if you do not like it, there is not a lot you can do about it.

"Be careful of what you wish for" comes to mind.

Tempest 12-20-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642975)
Ron Paul's constitutional view of how government is supposed to work.

The fundamental problem with Ron Paul's view of the constitution is that it's a flawed document meant for a different time. A time when every state was like it's own country and so "states rights" made more sense.. A time when getting the states into a union would have been a balancing act meant to make them comfortable with joining and so give them more rights and less to the federal government. The US is not a loose union of states anymore.. It's economy and interests are one and in a global world, it's even more critical that everyone work together for the benefit of the entire country. Ron Paul's stance is to abdicate his responsibility one "one country" and kick the can for so many policies to the states which would lead to an even greater disparity between them than there is now.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18643009)
So, do what you want to do only applies to drugs. I get it now. You don't seem to understand that if you get to do what you want to do, I get to do what I want to do and if you do not like it, there is not a lot you can do about it.

"Be careful of what you wish for" comes to mind.

It doesn't "only" apply to drugs, that just happens to be the one example that I gave you.

And why would I not like you being able to do what you want as long as you're not hurting me or infringing on my rights?

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18643022)
The fundamental problem with Ron Paul's view of the constitution is that it's a flawed document meant for a different time. A time when every state was like it's own country and so "states rights" made more sense.. A time when getting the states into a union would have been a balancing act meant to make them comfortable with joining and so give them more rights and less to the federal government. The US is not a loose union of states anymore.. It's economy and interests are one and in a global world, it's even more critical that everyone work together for the benefit of the entire country. Ron Paul's stance is to abdicate his responsibility one "one country" and kick the can for so many policies to the states which would lead to an even greater disparity between them than there is now.

I completely disagree that the constitution is a "flawed document" and is "meant for a different time."

Things like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, right to bear arms to protect yourself from tyranny and enslavement, protection against unlawful searches and seizures, etc, are timeless. These are rights that everyone should have regardless if it's 1776 or 2389.

It also lays out what I believe to be a great form of government, which has to do with CHECKS AND BALANCES. The constitution is why we have three branches of government.

Tempest 12-20-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18642987)
I bet you think it's okay for the federal government to tell you which substances you are allowed to put inside of your own body don't you? Nothing to worry about, the government will protect you from yourself!

Can you give me an example how a person doing that does not effect anyone else in some detrimental way or another? People stuff themselves with crap food, blow up in weight, which causes health issues, which causes a ripple effect thru society. It would be nice if everyone acted responsibly but it's never going to happen. Unless you live in a bubble, what you do with your "freedom" has an effect on others in the society that the government is supposed to protect.

StickyGreen 12-20-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18643036)
Can you give me an example how a person doing that does not effect anyone else in some detrimental way or another? People stuff themselves with crap food, blow up in weight, which causes health issues, which causes a ripple effect thru society. It would be nice if everyone acted responsibly but it's never going to happen. Unless you live in a bubble, what you do with your "freedom" has an effect on others in the society that the government is supposed to protect.

If you actually think that government should get involved with every aspect of people's lives and tell them how to live, then you and I are on completely different ends of the spectrum and could argue for days. We should just agree to disagree.

Tempest 12-20-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18643031)
I completely disagree that the constitution is a "flawed document" and is "meant for a different time."

Things like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, right to bear arms to protect yourself from tyranny and enslavement, protection against unlawful searches and seizures, etc, are timeless. These are rights that everyone should have regardless if it's 1776 or 2389.

It also lays out what I believe to be a great form of government, which has to do with CHECKS AND BALANCES. The constitution is why we have three branches of government.

I did not say that the entire constitution is flawed. I agree with Ron Paul's policies on freedoms from "tyranny" etc. But Ron Paul is a strict constructionist and that's where I have a problem with him because it's not in the best interest in the country as a whole.

Tempest 12-20-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18643040)
If you actually think that government should get involved with every aspect of people's lives and tell them how to live, then you and I are on completely different ends of the spectrum and could argue for days. We should just agree to disagree.

Freedom comes with costs in one form or another and if you want those freedoms then you and everyone else has to be prepared to pay for them... You have to look around you and ask yourself what your neighbors would do with those freedoms, how what they do will effect you and whether you're willing to pay the price. A price in money, lives and the degeneration of the society you're a part of.


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