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Jel 01-18-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696324)
but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Unlike with the current DMCA laws, which are perfect :thumbsup

DWB 01-18-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696324)
sure you can sue, but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Then it would be a good idea to not load content that isn't yours to your site. :2 cents:

porno jew 01-18-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18696503)
What I don't understand is why those that complain most about piracy don't sue people (and haven't been suing people). Do they really believe that giving more power to the government will result in a government that does all the work for them and that starts defending the interests of porn companies? One of the proposed amendments to SOPA was to make sure that no tax dollars would ever be spent (I think the politicians used the word "wasted") on fighting porn piracy.

i don't get that as well. gay programs have successfully sued and shut down plenty of pirates. have no idea why programs don't use current legal means and instead want the government to do it for them.

porno jew 01-18-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18696605)
Then it would be a good idea to not load content that isn't yours to your site. :2 cents:

well considering 50% of dmca's to google are fake and by competitors don't be naive, the same thing will be done with sopa.

funny how the so-called anti-government "libertarians" want the government to get involved in this case. i think their libertarianism only applies to the right to snort coke and fuck teenagers.

u-Bob 01-18-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18696605)
Then it would be a good idea to not load content that isn't yours to your site. :2 cents:

In the EU, newspaper groups have been and are lobbying to reform copyright laws and regulations so that copyright will also apply to titles of newspaper articles. Let's say those big news corporations ever manage to get similar proposals passed in the US, then anyone who writes an article titled "Manwin Acquires Digital Playground" on his own blog will be in trouble.

Cherry7 01-18-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696626)
well considering 50% of dmca's to google are fake and by competitors don't be naive, the same thing will be done with sopa.

funny how the so-called anti-government "libertarians" want the government to get involved in this case. i think their libertarianism only applies to the right to snort coke and fuck teenagers.

funny how the so-called anti-government "libertarians" want the stop government to get involved in this case. i think their libertarianism only applies allowing 14yr olds to watch "Harry Potter" for nothing

L-Pink 01-18-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18696558)
Don't let facts like that stop the fucktards thinking SOPA will make it rains sales like it was 1995.

Rain sales like 1995? No, times have changed. However the feeling of being fucked out of your property by thieves will never change.

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FlexxAeon 01-18-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18695772)
Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites. :upsidedow

thank you :2 cents:

ArsewithClass 01-18-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)
Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Perfectly wrote.... What is wrong with the people against SOPA. I would have thought they have loads of stolen content :(

Does everyone think that SOPA want to make this law so they can just get rid of every website? It's a law against content theft... Paysite & content owners should be looking forward to the SOPA law being passed :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 18696867)
thank you :2 cents:

Absolutely :thumbsup

potter 01-19-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18695772)
Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites. :upsidedow

Due process is the 14th amendment.

Free Speech is the very first amendment for a reason. It's the most important and crucial part of a free society. Words and information are more powerful than anything else.

Our priorities are very right.

Paul Markham 01-19-2012 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18695598)
What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand?

Calm down.

The government isn't sending men in black helicopters to shut down your sites or drown your kittens.
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These clowns need to read the law. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18695613)
That's "your" interpretation of the law. The law clearly states, the "government" has the right to shut down any site they "think" could be a form of piracy. It isn't a law, but a manipulation by lobbyists paid by companies to control the public.

No it doesn't http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 18695622)
Do you people realize that if these laws pass it will allow your ISP to continually do "deep packet inspection" on your connection at all times?

That means they can essentially and legally keep track of everything that you do and give that data to whomever is authorize by the law to have it... aka the US government.

And all this WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

Have you ever had an ISP and read the contract? Besides your connection to the Internet. They all can do this and shut you down. Without a court order.

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 18695650)
Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Wrong.

And so the misinformed carry on with their scare tactics. Shame really. Are the law breakers or just pussies or just scared they might have to monitor what they upload?

nico-t 01-19-2012 03:16 AM

everyone who is pro sopa is small minded and naive.

Paul Markham 01-19-2012 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18696665)
In the EU, newspaper groups have been and are lobbying to reform copyright laws and regulations so that copyright will also apply to titles of newspaper articles. Let's say those big news corporations ever manage to get similar proposals passed in the US, then anyone who writes an article titled "Manwin Acquires Digital Playground" on his own blog will be in trouble.

Can you provide us with the link please. Just where it says only the headline.

Should a newspaper that has spent money to create a news article have the right to sue people who copy and paste that article on Wikipedia or sue Wikipedia themselves?

Or should the parasites be allowed to make money off others hard work?

This law will make Wikipedia and other sites keep the law, which they currently ignore. Their excuse is "It's too expensive to keep withing the law." Should that apply to everyone?

Because at present if a newspaper plagiarises another persons work, they can get sued. The problem with suing people online is the cost and futility of it.

Captain Kawaii 01-19-2012 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 18695625)
Piracy outweighs Privacy?

Seriously did you just imply that?

Anyone who thinks Privacy in the USA is still a concern for US gov is a dimwit.
Seriously, get a grip and wake up to 2012.

Joshua G 01-19-2012 04:46 AM

there are 2 types of people. Those who create things & profit from them. & those who use others creations & profit from them.

Who should the government be protecting from the other? Who does the government protect by doing nothing.

& if abuse of a law is the reason to not have a law, then why have any laws at all? There are innocents in jail, & on death row. lets not have robbery & murder laws, god forbid someone get falsely accused.

the fear mongering on SOPA is very cheney-like.

Gerco 01-19-2012 05:59 AM

It seems to me the people against this are the ones not actually creating anything on their own. Wiki, facebook, google, torrent etc... all companies that thrive by hiding behind current dmca and not being liable for what "users" upload. without the producers, there would be nothing to search, lol cat would not exist, etc...

pimpmaster9000 01-19-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18696665)
In the EU, newspaper groups have been and are lobbying to reform copyright laws and regulations so that copyright will also apply to titles of newspaper articles. Let's say those big news corporations ever manage to get similar proposals passed in the US, then anyone who writes an article titled "Manwin Acquires Digital Playground" on his own blog will be in trouble.

Sorry but this is simply not possible...

Nominative use will always be legal. You can mention/identify a product by its name even compare it to competing products. This will never change. Ever.

Google Nominative use...

porno jew 01-19-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18697787)
Sorry but this is simply not possible...

Nominative use will always be legal. You can mention/identify a product by its name even compare it to competing products. This will never change. Ever.

Google Nominative use...

he is talking about something different. i don't think you read before you respond.

pimpmaster9000 01-19-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18697814)
he is talking about something different. i don't think you read before you respond.

Copyright/Trade mark/Patent all have nominative use.

The OP seems to have confused Trade mark with Copyright being that you can not infringe on somebody's right to copy by simply mentioning their Trade mark in a newspaper headline.

I did read before I responded, thanks for the concern.

NewNick 01-19-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)
Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?


Dont worry gideon will be along to explain it to you, then Damian will be along to explain how the dns experts told him that SOPA will break the internet.

Then you wont need to worry about it anymore.

Naughty-Pages 01-19-2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18695687)
Anyone smart enough to fart without shitting his pants can see the difference between this and a forum devoted to file sharing..

You say that.. but have you seen the people in charge of our government?

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696451)
what is bullshit is the false fear based on the false presumption that somebody would actually risk his/her own freedom to file a false complaint that will certainly land him in prison..

what is bullshit is your false belief.
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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696374)
"In the United States, under Federal law, the general perjury statute provides for a sentence of up to 5 years in prison, 18 USC 1621."

Are you saying the law does not apply for these false complaints?

Well you're failing to consider that the law rarely applies to people who actually commit perjury (because most prosecutors do choose not to pursue prosecuting them for any number of reasons.). And of those they they do choose to prosecute, it typically ends in failure: "A perjury defendant can persuasively argue that they testified honestly, but perhaps from faulty memory, in many cases. Perjury charges in criminal cases are also rare. In 1996, US Sentencing Commission statistics indicated that in federal cases, only 86 of the 42,436 convicted criminal defendants were found guilty of perjury, encouraging perjury or bribing a witness. " source

All they would have to say it they "thought" it looked like something they recognized from somewhere else.

pimpmaster9000 01-19-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 18697968)

All they would have to say it they "thought" it looked like something they recognized from somewhere else.

There is no faulty memory or "I thought this is my material". He must, in order to file a complaint in the first place, present the following:

1) proof that he is the owner of material X
2) proof that website Y is using his material X

All the anti-sopa folk seem to be living in a dream bubble where you can supposedly file an anon complaint, the courts accept this anon complaint with no proof at all and on top of all of this perjury is not a crime.

Naughty-Pages 01-19-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18698145)
There is no faulty memory or "I thought this is my material". He must, in order to file a complaint in the first place, present the following:

1) proof that he is the owner of material X
2) proof that website Y is using his material X

All the anti-sopa folk seem to be living in a dream bubble where you can supposedly file an anon complaint, the courts accept this anon complaint with no proof at all and on top of all of this perjury is not a crime.

You are missing the point.. this is a slippery slope, give an inch, they take a mile..

And you are going to put your trust into the hands of a single entity.. one who may or may not even fully understand what he/she is doing. You are naive to believe that it is not possible for someone to intentionally forge any type of "proof" they need to sabotage someone else, and do it with fake identities (I mean it's the internet for fucks sake! all you need is basic computer knowledge to fake the shit they would require). The people in charge of this will certainly not take the time to fully verify things as their decision does not affect them directly. And I am sure the appeals process would be slow moving.. maybe long enough to damage the company permanently.

Companies like Google, Wikipedia, and even Adult webmasters who own forums who could not afford the risk of some dumb asses making a judgement call on them, to fully comply they would all have to hire additional help to verify every single post that is made to ensure the post does not link to content that is copyrighted or have links to a site that contains pirated content.

In effect this law could be compared to a massive nightclub that has over 5000 guests a day. 10 of those 5000 guests use illicit drugs. Those drugs are against the law, so the nightclub is shut down because it did not hire 1,000 bouncers to frisk everyone for drugs at the door, because doing so the cost would have put them out of business in the first place.

ArsewithClass 01-19-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18698145)
There is no faulty memory or "I thought this is my material". He must, in order to file a complaint in the first place, present the following:

1) proof that he is the owner of material X
2) proof that website Y is using his material X

All the anti-sopa folk seem to be living in a dream bubble where you can supposedly file an anon complaint, the courts accept this anon complaint with no proof at all and on top of all of this perjury is not a crime.

Seems a fair few people want SOPA once they are allowed & do speak up :thumbsup

This is exactly correct, too many people have got away with murderous misuse of content that has taken time, money & hardwork to provide, it should be protected :2 cents:

gideongallery 01-19-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18695598)
What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand?

Calm down.

The government isn't sending men in black helicopters to shut down your sites or drown your kittens.
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right and exactly what percentage of the site has to be used for piracy to meet that definition

it an undefined term, which means it whatever you can convince a judge it is.


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