This is odd, the indictment is where I get the 2002 date. 2002 is when the shower incident took place. This is the date that JoePa first became aware. Any sports site is where you get that he stopped coaching in 99"

JoePa was never aware of the molestations while he was a coach.

I am confused. Do you understand that 99" was before 02" or ??? is a calender what I should post.

I believe he was still allowed on campus and had an office on campus.

I believe that to. But he wasn't coaching and it's funny to see adendreams defend his slightly off facts and get so fired-up. :1orglaugh

Well you have to admit, being allowed on campus after what went down was fuked up.

According to the indictment, in 2002 assistant coach Mike McQueary, then a Penn State graduate assistant, said he walked in on Sandusky anally raping a ten-year-old boy. The next day, McQueary reported the incident to Paterno, who informed Curley. Ultimately, it is alleged, the only actions Curley and Schultz took was to bar him from bringing children to the football building, take away his keys to the locker room, and report the incident to Second Mile; these actions were approved by school president Graham Spanier.

I totally agree. I think, and JoePa thinks as he said he should have done more. He should not have been on campus. My debate is this.

Does 60 years of unbeatable goodness get washed out with one bad call. One in which you did something, what you were supposed to, but I agree ethically not enough.

If that is true then every one of us boils down to our worst mistake. If that is the case we are all really bad people.

Do you think that is true? I don't I think we all fuck up and when you boil down JoePa the world was a better place with him in it.

Beside the people who love and would miss me, I can't necessarily say that about myself.

Mike McQueary should of done more, he should of been expected to do more as a human being. i would risk losing my job (you can always get another...its not the end of the world) and do whatever i could to help stop a child from being victimized. i guess you wouldn't.

uh, what have you done that was so bad? is paterno was willing to continue working with a child molester, who knows what else he might of done in the past to make that 'ok' in his mind.

I'm glad I caught your original post before your edit...

Your original quote of me doesn't mention McQueary at all. Because I'M talking about Paterno, I read it, as most would, that PATERNO should not only have called the cops, but kicked his ass. HE would be doing that on hearsay. McQueary would not. My reaction would be totally different if I walked IN on a guy doing something as opposed to hearing it from someone.

So don't try and tell me what I would and wouldn't do based on two ENTIRELY different scenarios that you're mixing up.

Like chinese whispers, people always claim judge & jury....

If Paterno did what he was mean't to do & was not charged, he was innocent in this situation.

We should not all be here discussing sandusky, this keeps his spirit alive & it was sandusky that was the wrong one here, not paterno... RIP.

Joe Paterno did not continue to work with him after the accusation. This is a fact.

I haven't done any that bad. I think the worst thing I have done in my life was cheat on a girl who truly loved me when I was young. It hurt her badly. At that moment though I was complete scum.

Most of my life though I have been a really good, loving, compassionate and driven person.

So am I bad because of my worst moment or good because of the aggregate of my life?

oh you done got me. yeah so i mixed it up. you have a hard on for paterno for whatever reason. no one is going to feel sympathy for the guy except people who moronically live for college football.

lol, idiot. :1orglaugh YOU fucked up and changed the entire context of your post. You got caught. Deal with it. No need to be butt hurt...

I've already said I don't care about Paterno as a coach. Prior to this scandal I don't know if I'd ever heard of the guy and if I had, it was fleeting. I watch maybe 2 college football games a year. I don't think I've EVER seen a Penn State game, but who the hell knows. I've certainly never watched one BECAUSE they're in a game.

My only reason here is being a rational thinker, something you've shown you're incapable of on this topic.

Keep trying though.

well he must have done something right - he was 85 and had a full head of dark hair.

what exactly Paterno was told isn't known, I read the Grand Jury report/indictment and in it if I remember correctly Paterno was told there was some kind of 'horseplay' going on in the shower with Sandusky and a boy. you can't forget Paterno's age and what generation he came from in this - sorry but you can't. things went on in society in their day and people kept their noses out of it - for example, adultery/children out of wedlock/spousal abuse/child abuse - much much different times. Most people in sports media had been calling for Penn State to fire Paterno for years - many thought he had become feeble minded.

one thing I am pretty sure of - Joe Paterno didn't know that Jerry Sandusky was a serial child rapist. he did not cover anything up.

If you are a head coach and one of your assistant coaches is accused of raping a child in the locker room (and you know it's probably true), do you just report it or do you also demand his resignation?

The bottom line is Paterno knew children were being raped in his locker room and he looked the other way. This means Paterno himself was most likely a pedophile. He may or may not have ever acted on those desires, who knows.

Exactly. People seem to forget that there's a slight generation gap in thinking. Not to mention that what we're aware of as a society by comparison to yesteryear, thanks to the media (who I'm the first to criticize in many cases) is simply immeasurable.

True story...

I lived with a guy who rented out a few rooms in his house about 28 years ago. (Fuck me that I can say 28 years ago, but I digress). I befriended this guy when I was 15ish and he was about 20. I had problems at home and he was a nice guy. This is important...the guy NEVER tried anything with me.

So, after having some trouble at home I moved into his house. I was working and seeing some girl so didn't spend much time there other than to sleep. This guy had a colecovision and always had a couple of the neighbors kids over playing the game. I'd played a few games with the guy and again...he NEVER tried anything with me. I, and the others living in the house, just thought he was a nice guy. I never thought anything about it.

Fast forward about 5 years and I've long since moved out of the house. I notice on the front page of a local newspaper some guy with his hand over his face with the headline "Pedophile" or something along those lines. I can kind of see enough of his face to recognize him but I'm not sure. When I read the story, sure enough it was the same guy.

I feel bad about it to this day, but looking back don't think I or anyone else could have known. If that happened TODAY, everyone in their right mind would be calling the cops. Then again no parent in THEIR right mind would let their kids hang out with some random guy in the neighborhood.

Did I do something wrong? Was I negligent? I sleep well knowing the answer is no. If it happened today, I'd feel a LOT more responsibility because of what we know.

Fuck Joe Paterno!

lol congrats on the dumbest post of this thread! (Which is saying something btw)

That or a weak troll attempt.

Either way...:1orglaugh

Btw, since you frequent GFY and many pictures of gay men are posted here, because you accept it, I think it's safe to assume that you're homosexual. Whether or not you've ever acted on those desires, who knows.

Best news i heard all day. Lets go Giants!!!! One less person i need to keep my children away from.

hahahaha, point Kronic

so the "greatest generation" thought it was ok to turn a blind eye to child molesters? pretty fucked. so much for the idea that this generation is lacking any morals or ethics.
i'd agree thats its no as well. however if someone told you that he was molesting kids or something similar, would you of continued to stay there and not say anything about it? doubtful. whatever paterno did or didn't do (which i am fully able to say i mixed up in earlier posts) it seemed he felt it was in his best interest no to make much noise about it. if people want to blame that on generational things or whatever, i feel thats a cop out and just an excuse.

Again, we disagree on what "turning a blind eye" is. If Paterno hadn't gone to his superiors then I'd say he was guilty of a cover up. Because he told someone, ANYONE, he didn't turn a blind eye.

I read somewhere, I don't recall where, that McQueary told Paterno that Sandusky was "horsing around" with some kid in the shower. What does horsing around mean? I don't even know. I'd find it strange that a man was in the shower with a little boy in the first place but imagine an 85 year old man that's PROBABLY losing some of his faculties. Ignorance? Yes. Turning a blind eye? Not in my opinion.

Here we disagree on what defines "much noise". See post above for the same answer. I don't believe it's a cop out.

Hey, I don't know Paterno. He could have TOTALLY covered things up, but I'm not going to judge it that way based on the information I've read. But anyone that says he WAS covering things up based on what's public knowledge is simply speculating. Being adamant about it just makes them sound ridiculous and irrational because they simply don't know. Maybe it will come out in the future that Paterno hid things more than we know AT THIS POINT. MAYBE it'll come out that he did even MORE to nail Sandusky and protect the children than what we know AT THIS POINT. Neither I, nor you, nor anyone in this thread knows anything concrete other than...

He told his superiors-FACT
He wasn't indicted by a grand jury-FACT

That's all anyone knows in regards to Paterno's DIRECT actions in this matter. To me he did what he was supposed to and a grand jury saw it that way too. Anything more is speculation and defamation.

And no, I don't believe that if someone told me this guy was molesting children I'd turn a blind eye. My thought process would be to first tell the parents and make THEM aware. That's protecting the children. What I'd do after that, I can't honestly say. Call the cops? Maybe, but again, I'm going on hearsay unless I see something which would be an ENTIRELY different situation.

lol honestly thinking about it I WOULD call the police if for no other reason than to let THEM deal with it. At that point, unless I actually SEE something, it's out of my hands. Sound familiar?

I actually think that during the 40's and 50's the greatest generation did turn a blind eye to alot of things like this. I see where your heart is here and that is commendable (both my grandfathers were in WWII, one on D-day), but I do think there was a generational gap that plays into this.

I think the gap was more "I am the football coach and that isn't my area", which isn't right. Then him thinking it was ok.

kronic you defend guys who rape little boys in the ass. why is that?

Even guys like you deserve a fair trial.

Why? porno jew, serious bro... that comment is not needed :(

R.I.P Joe Pa.

u mean.. u don't want to read that spelled out for the third time on an adult message board?

I'm a kid of the late 60's and 70's and while I do believe the WWII generation was the 'greatest generation' there were a lot of victims whose cries were ignored because people were brought up to mind their own business and that included government. In my own neighborhood growing up there was a family, poorer than most in the neighborhood, where you could hear the father screaming at his wife especially on summer nights because windows would be open and sometimes you'd see her with bruises or a black eye and nobody that I remember ever called the police nor did the police ever visit their home. Which is terrible.

Now we've gone too far, the government is too involved in families' personal business, I hear ridiculous stories of kids being taken out of their homes by Child Services because the kids go to school and say they were spanked at home - teachers and coaches are afraid to discipline kids at all because they don't want to be sued. Courts now label men as 'mentally abusive' if they raise their voices to their wives.

Sorry richard, I don't understand? What spelled out, and on what message boards?

porno jew was asking, and only once, why kronic was defending guys guys that raped guys in the arse....

It's an uncalled for comment as said :(