yes :thumbsup

Oh and to clarify, im not hating on Markham. Not much to hate on and besides that it takes a whole lot before I can hate someone.

I agree on some of the things he says (and disagree on a lot) its just that he goes on and on about it in every fucking thread lmao. Last time I met him in real life he just went on and on about his dry mouth issue.

all fun and games ;)))

test test test

The only dvd i own is boogie nights, consequently, must respect.

Ok the 20 years was just taken out of the blue by my drunken mind, but what I was trying to get at is that you have to see to the $$, what makes money in this day? is It magazines? Everyone can't be met-art or ftvgirls you know. us "regular" affiliates have to follow the cash. Just like I said you can still do It legally and in a professional way. Which is how It should be.

Been in It for 13 years, will probably be for 13 more. I call that longterm. I do however know that some things don't last forever.

He is the old man.

Lulz, good one. :1orglaugh

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The PM haters are instant to me because I see two sides. On the hand, I've worked with Paul enough to know he brings in some cash, and he's been doing so for a long time, so it works be wise to listen to what he has to say. On the other hand, some of his posts do seem to be pure trolling.

What I don't understand is putting a lot of fine and energy into hating on some guy on a message board. Do the haters not have anything better to do? Do they not have a business to run?

I don't think many thought their actions would bring this effect to the porn industry. The just thought it was easy to get in, throw traffic at a site or mediocre porn, make a quick fortune and get out. For some it was easy, for most because the bar of entry was so low, it became very hard.

And there's the reason for the demise. When a herd gets weak, it endangers the whole herd.

Even with designers. to be a good designer in this business you need to be a good salesman, need to know how to target customers, what turns them on, etc. Not use Photoshop. To be a good porn shooter, you need more skills than photography and a good camera. To sell porn well enough to make a living, you need a lot more than traffic. did you understand that Fris?

Who says you need a lot more than traffic? If you can send 50-60 signups a day, why would you need anything else?

The things you say like its easy to get traffic is kind of pointless coming from you, since you dont have the traffic of any other people.

You can speak of the content production side, but the other methods you cant, you can only speculate.

Few products are one off buys. The companies selling them don't want something a customer will buy once or twice and then never. Repeat selling to the same customer is often the key to success.

so a company will look at it's customers needs, likes and dislikes, etc. Then design a product to meet those needs. Trying to make it as hard as possible for others to duplicate. Because they know the bast sales figures come to those who produce the best sales over and over again with the least effort.

A Fizzy drink of Burger company can spend a fortune on marketing to get a one off sale, getting the buyer to buy again depends on customer satisfaction. And the lack or number of the competition.

Some in porn did this, Wicked, Vivid, Evil Angel, Private and many more. A few did this in online porn. Met Art, Perfect Gonzo, etc.

You can draw your own conclusions to this.

Just wondering who you think are in the etc part.

Well that's the point where though right in the actual wording. Wrong in this context.

Anyone could be a Met-Art or FTV Girls, given the their "marketing" skills.

What is it that really separates them and a few more from 100s to 1,000s of sites who try to be them or just in the same niche?

Design, programing, hosting? Good designers, programmers, hosting are relatively easy and an occasional purchase. Then just paying them on a continual basis.

"Marketing". Well some have this skill, but are these sites really that far ahead in these categories, as they are in sales?

Product. And here you have what separates these guys from the rest. The product is on a different level and try as hard as they might ATK, Karups, Mofos, Twistys, etc. Can't with their present model get up there. (Yes I linked this to the bro Shap.)

Because they simply would not or could not not compete with others for the producers of that level of content. Were these people available for hire? Yes, money will buy anything your heart desires. I'm not going to mention more names, but offline porn until recently paid more to shooters than online porn and that's all that really separates the top tier sites from those trying to get their.

A studio in Brno, who were regular magazines set producers, were never offered enough to move from magazines to a program. and this is repeated over and over again ntil you reach a rare few.

So Nicky, if sponsors had the money and business skills, in 1998-today. They would of hired a shooter with the skills and created a site in a mainstream niche, 1,000s of others couldn't duplicate by picking up a camera and pointing it a naked girl. They don't, they would prefer to pay peanuts for the product and pay affiliates to throw loads traffic at it. Trying to produce something that puts them in the top tier for some reason isn't being done.

So not everyone can be a Met-Art or FTV Girls. Because not everyone has the money and the sense.

Are you an affiliates or owner of Euro Revenue?

When I met Roald it was at the bar of the bar the convention was held in. I bought a bottle of water and poured it into my red water bottle, to sip while I was there. so explained I needed to constantly sip water because of my dry mouth. Took 2-3 minutes. He was busy chatting to his friend and I have little reason to chat to him. Even abut my dry mouth.

Yes I keep banging on about the same mistakes this industry has made and continues to make. Like you keep banging on about traffic. LOL

No no, you are the one going on about the mistakes AND about traffic. Im just replying to it ;)


So again, who do you think are in the etc part? We got FTV and Met-Art but who else? Honest question since im just curious to see how our ratios are with them. Yes I know our traffic is probably garbage but I still would like to see.

Thanks :thumbsup

tastes change. right now people like girl next door amateurs. shit you can shoot with a disposable camera. that costs nothing.

fuck i hate your stupid theories.

thats all they are is theories.

O jeebus. Anyway I have been an affiliate since 1999, I don't own ER, I am the marketing/sales guy/project manager for them. Oh btw traffic and a decent landing page is all you need.

And that's how easy it is to get the content from the top level.

In fact it could be even easier. Especially with solo girl. If the sponsors with so much money to spend, because we all know how big online porn is r was. They could of approached the shooters supplying the magazines with sets and said, I will pay you $300 to what ever. For the semi exclusive license, you can't sell it online to other online companies, to put your content online in my site. I will need a video with it. Stipulating any other requirements of course. We would of been interested, not at $300 because the store sales made a lot more.

So instead of getting content from shooters who couldn't get into the top tier, you get the top tier shooters content. As we all know offline never got the Internet, so their sales were no threat.

Or as offline had no clue and online was making so much money. Just go into the offices of the offline companies and lay the cash down. Much like Manwin is doing today when the business has shrunk and offline is dead. They could of even gone into the companies and offered a deal just for online, for less money.

Roald, the etc are the companies who convert and retain better than the rest, that don't have a dozen or more sites that all look similar competing with them. Look at your stats for the companies. Seriously, I know where you're going with this. Give me some credence.

Yes Fris it's all theory, who would of dreamed that members stay members longer or even become members on the strength of the content. :1orglaugh

Yes Nicky all you need is a landing page and traffic. Maybe that's because that's the level of your expertise. Some might go higher and think the level of the content on the page and inside the sites effects the revenue. Just a theory.

I'm just fucking with you Paul, the more you say traffic is easy and content is everything the more I will say traffic is everything. I'm like a 4 year old :winkwink:

Ok so you dont know the etc. Thats too bad really as i was truly interested to see what you think converts ;)))

This industry has always had a different mindset to buying content than getting the best. If some had adopted the approach it did with traffic, they might be in a better position these days.

Buying the product is usually about getting the best price and not the best product. Rather than offer the good shooters what they wanted to produce for them. They went out and bought 5 scenes for $1200 to $2500. Even Manwin paying $2,000 for 3 scenes isn't going to pull over a shooter who can sell one scene non exclusive for $3,000.

Most got people who couldn't shoot to the level of the magazines. Yes I know it's all about video, but most magazines shooters know how to shoot decent videos. It's not as if they got the top video shooters either. They got what they paid for.

Now it's all theory. Still if a TGP, Tube, sample on a blog or any other means of getting traffic. It's got a better chance of getting the surfer to click the banner. If when the surfer lands on the sites the content on the tour is of a better quality than the rest of the sites in that niche. Its got a better chance of converting. If once the member is inside the site the content is better than other sites, retention is longer, the chances are the surfer will return.

So Nicky with just your traffic and landing page. You might convert 10% 0r 50% better. You might retain 10% 0r 50% better. Not just you, but most affiliates sending traffic to that site.

Anyone got a theory about lousy content converting and retaining better than good?

And please, not good in "Penthouse or Playboy" style.

And OP this is why the trolls and losers hate me. They don't have a logical answer.

keep up the good work buddy we can all see how far that is getting you :1orglaugh

No Roald.

I know the moment you see them you can come back with the answer they don't do so well.

Give me some credence please, didn't start in business yesterday.

OK Nicky. If you ever want some constructive comments on any of your sites I'm here.

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Ok you got me.

Well hello there captain obvious :1orglaugh

http://mydirtyhobby.com/

crappy content and making more money per day than you (or me) in your best month (or even year)

That one doesnt count

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You go Paul...to the top!!! :thumbsup

ADG

Yup, right now you don't even need content shooters with the amateur or exgf niches. No fancy lighting, no bitchy content shooters, no expert camera work...get some disposable cameras and have the right business attitude and you can make bank.

grateful people are here. nice to know. Come to my grateful content store after you finish thanking each other.

its the pussy that sells porn

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hope the guys ok but :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul > Jesus

paul just rambling on and on and on and on and fucking onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

loves the sound of his own voice

loves to read his own posts

stupid cunt probably beats off to both