It could be more now I'm just saying this based off when I was in school years ago its probably higher now. Here we pay a percentage based on your income. Most pay about 20-35% but that is divided up between provincial and federal. I will look it up later but I'm on my mobile right now and could not be bothered searching lol.

where for the evil rich!

Your argument would hold more weight if you had a better grasp on the English language.

Where for the evil rich!
Where for the evil rich!
Romeo! Romeo! Where for the evil rich!

Federal and provincial. As I was saying earlier most pay about 20 to 30ish and its split federally and provincially. I can't remember the split though. I believe the federal government gets more.

It's according to how much they make and the deductions they take.

I didn't pay a penny in taxes until I got in the porn business in the mid 1990's. And I wasn't "poor" before then. I made a decent living. Lived in nice apartments, drove a decent car, etc. But I never made enough money and had enough deductions to weasel my way through not paying income tax until I was 36 years old. :)

Having said that...I could take you into any of the bars I used to go to in South Carolina when I lived there...and most of the people in the bar not only don't pay taxes, but they get some kind of govt. check every month. :(

The bottom 49% of the country pay no income tax. Period
That is the problem Canadians don't seem to understand

sales tax doesn't count?

Here's the tax rates for the U.S.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_sc..._income_tax%29

And keep in mind, the KEY word is "taxable income". So if you can write enough shit off as deductions you'll end up with a lot less "taxable income" as opposed to your real income.

That's why I think a flat tax of say 15% would solve the tax "problem" in the U.S.
It would make me pay more and also all the EVIL billionaires would actually pay more as well.

No deductions, no bullshit. EVERYBODY pay 15% and the revenue would go through the roof and then Congress could spend even more and get us in a few more wars too. LOL

I need to get married, buy a house, and pop out three kids!

And then rinse and repeat 4 times! (that's what I did minus the three kids...I just have 2)

What is this sales tax you speak of? My state does not have that. :thumbsup

lucky.. here they had both federal and provincial, then they thought it be great to join those two together but charge taxes on more items.. like funerals.

so there was a few months of being charged 5+ extra per item as the businesses 'figured it out', and now i am pretty sure it's around 20%, and now is 'repealed' back to 14%

but we still have hst

viva le..

God only knows how much of every dollar a person earns is actually left for him to spend after ALL taxes and fees, etc. that the govt STEALS...er, I mean TAKES...er, I mean collects.

Federal income tax, payroll tax (social security), federal sales tax (gasoline for instance), state sales tax, local sales tax (county, state), property tax, business license fees, car registration and tags, etc. etc.

I bet if a person could really see just how much money was being taken from them by the govt. to mostly waste....there would be no more of this "let's raise taxes" bullshit.

But I thought you guys got your stuff from the government for free? :helpme

End tax withholding and people will wake up quickly. Then make them pay what their employer has to match and they will learn even quicker.

Never was free ... but universal ...

I pay the max on healthcare, unemployement ... and get services.

Someone making less then me pays less but get the same services ... that is a UNIVERSAL system and it makes life way easier for EVERYONE ...

USA will never have that .. at least not before another civil war

Nope. Because the poor will never want to pay. Right now they pay nothing and get everything. I pay and get nothing. :helpme

Federal & Provincial : the first 11K is not subject to income tax ( but is subject to payroll taxes such as Unemployment, CPP , RRQ, fixed contribution to healthcare).

Then, for federal, from 15 to 29% ( http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html )

Provincial ( depending on provinces ) from 16 to 24 % ( http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/citoye...comp/taux.aspx )

I pay roughly 40% , but I can deduct some money put in sone type of 401K ( I put about 20K a year ).

Then, we pay a nationwide sales tax that varies on provinces; Quebec is roughly 15% .

So services are not free , and I do pay for those making less ... If 12clicks would live in Canada, I would be paying for his sorry broke ass ....:1orglaugh

Well then, if you pay AND get nothing , it is obvious that your system fails :2 cents:

Our system started to fail around 1913 and headed toward a death spiral in the 30s.

Your system has already been proven to fail so enjoy it while it lasts.

If it makes you feel better , be my guest ....

But as I stated, I put money/investments aside, I don`t rely on the government only for my old days ... If it is there, great; if it less , oh well ....

That's the truth.

People like me who have to pay my quarterly taxes (and pay employees matching funds) know EXACTLY what's going on.

The sheer genius of the federal govt. to tax people without anybody complaining is the withholding tax.

The majority of working folks are employees. And they not only don't notice that money is gone (because they never see it) but they are HAPPY when they get their refund check! Even though the govt. has had their money interest free for a while.

Let them start writing out quarterly checks to the govt. like I do and there would be a tax revolt in this country and all the wasteful stealing and spending in Washington D.C. would be over.

Here, approximately 48% of people get a "refund" of more than what they paid. In other words, they pay negative income tax. All the while, they complain about tax cut for the "rich", where "rich" means everyone who pays taxes. Poor people don't get huge tax cuts because they pay no taxes!

A significant percentage actually believe that "taxes" are money withheld from your check that you get back after a little while - that everybody gets their money back. One actually asked why the government doesn't make taxes a million dollars, so enshrine gets a million dollar check. Not only do they not pay taxes, some don't even teally comprehend what taxes are.

Well in the US our income tax goes to pay off the interest of our debt. It truly is a bailout for the banks.

Its funny during all the boom times taxes were higher and back to after war ww2 they were alot higher and the economy roared. Bush had the worse job growth in modern times but he gave tax cuts. also gave those tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas. Germany has much higher taxes, better services and get this more growth than we have had.

also remember it was gov funding that created the net, that most here owe their living to. it wasnt magic.

Right about 50% once you include gas taxes, property taxes, business personal property taxes, etc. The simple way to figure it is total government revenue or spending caucuses GDP. (Using spending includes the hidden taxes of debt you're saddled with, which you must pay later).

Anyway, for every $100 you earn, you'll spend $50 and the other $50 is taken via some kind of tax or another.

That 50% doesn't include pass through taxes. The other night, after seeing what we spend on payroll taxes, I raised the price of one of our products by 50% to pay for it. If you buy that product from us, 66% pays for the product itself and 33% pays the employment taxes for the guy doing the installation. So without taxes, the product would be 33% cheaper for you.

For awhile congress held back funding for the dept that oversees flight the name escapes me. Well one of things they couldnt do was collect the tax that goes on every plane ticket. So as a flyer you would see a break in the price. Well what some of the airlines did was raise the price that made up for the drop in price because there was no tax. I think that would happen more often than not. Not saying you but in general.

Due to several factors, a major war is always followed by economic growth as industries turn to producing consumer goods. That's true, and has jack shit to do with tax rates. You're also talking about a time when, for example, social security tax was 1.5% rather than the 10.2% it is today.

The official chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/...d_M03_data.gif

In other words, you're so wrong on the facts it's completely ridiculous. You couldn't be more wrong. The entire time Bush was president the unemployment rate was about HALF of what it's been under Obama.

What happened while Bush was president was the subprime mortage "crisis" - about 400 billion in mortgages were "at risk", meaning a 5% or greater chance of default. If the government did nothing, roughly $30 billion worth would have defaulted. Obama's solution? Spend $2 TRILLION on failing solar firms to solve a $30 BILLION problem in the HOUSING market. We could have simply paid off all of the subprime mortages completely and it would have cost 80% less than Obama spent to not solve the problem.

Yeah... I don't see how raising taxes on people has anything to do with making the economy "roar".
I don't know if lowering them does either. But so what? Why should people work to make their money and then give it to Washington to waste?

There is no accountability there. Everybody knows they are spending money like has never been seen before in history. And every politician in Washington D.C. is magically a millionaire.

They need LESS money. Not more.

Taxes should be just enough to pay for the LEAST amount of things the govt should be doing.
Our government however, seems to consider our money to be THEIR money. And the spending can never stop.

I don't think anyone wants to give more money to the govt. than they have too right?

I will quote that liberal paper the wsj
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/

the way it makes the economy roar was once apon a time when jobs were here. If someone pulled money out of their business they got hit with taxes so they invested back in the business. The boom times had some of the highest tax rates.

Tony...is it your belief that the govt. raises taxes and that somehow prompts businesses to hire more people? I just don't see the connection between higher taxes and people getting jobs. What am I missing?

Reagan boom time taxes were 50%
after ww2 boom time taxes were over 90%
During Clinton boom time taxes were over 39 percent
During Bush lowest tax rate in forever and employment was flat at best and they have stayed low and there is no hiring boom. so it kind of shits on the whole lower taxes creates jobs it doesnt.

if you are going to take money out of your business and you are going get hit hard by taxes, you will keep in and invest so you dont get hit with the taxes.

So you really believe that the govt. forcing people to not spend their money the way they want to...but instead to give it to the govt. to waste is a good thing.

I just don't agree with that at all.

Sadly, politicians have convinced the bottom of society that the money YOU earned isn't really YOURS, it's OURS.

I guess you forgot to read even the first paragraph of your own source. The article you picked starts by saying:
According to YOUR source, Bush created three million jobs. Obama claims his stimulus plan "saved or created 1.4 million jobs". What's that about "saved"? Well, overall unemployment is up (see the official numbers from BLS), so Obama is trying to claim it would be even worse with his stimulus package. Let's give Obama even more credit than he claims. Let's pretend his policies created 1.4 million jobs. That's less then half of Bush, and that's in pretend land - even Obama doesn't claim that.

So pretending his stimulus spending of $2 trillion really did "save" 1.4 million jobs, that's a cost of A MILLION DOLLARS per job. Give me $10,000 and I can save a job. Obama claims to have saved jobs and only spent a million bucks a job to do it.

Lay off the Kool-Aid, man. I can admit Bush sucked. I WANTED him to be good, but he wasn't. I was a fan before he took office, but I knew when it was time to trade him to Detroit and recruit a new quarterback. Can you see that your team is 0-14 with Obama as quarterback?

The original question of this post is still kinda just sitting out there...
If the Bush tax cuts run out...the middle and lower class are going to be nailed hard by it. And yet, the left side of the political spectrum has pretended that it was only for the "rich".

Just watching the rhetoric here: it seems to me that what the left REALLY want to do is let the tax cuts run out ONLY for the rich. And keep the tax rates the same for the lower and middle class.

And according to the numbers that I have seen...that will only increase revenue by something like 40 billion dollars TOTAL. The federal govt. spends over 30 billion dollars a month! So that big "increase" in revenue isn't jack shit.

The government needs to STOP spending.

That's what kills me. While they are on television babbling about the "crisis" and how taxes need to be raised and everyone do their "fair share"...they haven't slowed down spending at all!

Not a bit! If it's such a crisis then why aren't they shutting shit down. Stop flying to Columbia for summits, stop occupying 120 something countries with our military, cut the salary of the President and Congress, stop throwing big dinners and parties, etc.

Nope...instead they propose plans to "lower the deficit" by 1.5 trillion dollars over TEN YEARS!!! That's $150 billion a year. A drop in the bucket.

They ALL need to be voted out and some sanity brought to that fairy tale land of free money known as Washington D.C.

Typo - $300 billion per month currently. $30 billion per month would have been the Reagan years. Bush years, $150 billion, today $300 billion per month.

By other estimates, the increased taxes would run the government for 11 hours. That ignores the fact that the money is taken out of the economy - at some point higher rates will of course reduce government revenue.

Yep my bad. It's even far worse than I thought.

The whole argument over raising taxes is nothing but a distraction to keep us from realizing just how much money that politicians are stealing from us. They get us to argue amongst ourselves while the reality is that the one entity in the U.S. that brings in the most money and spends it like wildfire isn't "big business" or any company. It's the U.S. government.

how many people does your military employ again?

so what i learned from this thread is that everyone can earn as much as possible and no one should pay any taxes.

also no government is needed, no health insurance either, gas is too expensive anyways and green energy is the root of all evil and so on.

i wonder if anyone ever thought this through in all consequences and then still wants to live in a society like that.

but at least everyone is armed, it might be helpful ;)

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilised society as far as I'm concerned. It does not bother me that some of my money goes to fund health care and other government services.

if it's 20 million BEFORE taxes i dont see anything wrong in paying 30% of that as income tax. no matter who it is, even if it would be me. :winkwink:

as long as EVERYONE else paid 30% too.
The problem with modern society is that we let the least productive, least able breed at a much faster rate than the productive, able.

wait, we don't "let" them breed, we pay for them to breed.

Giving the bottom a free ride and letting them vote for more free rides dooms a society once the free ride crowd hits the percentages it has here in America.

When 49% pay no income tax, how do you EVER get a vote to control spending to pass?

paying the small amount you do, of course you're happy with it.

why exactly should someone pay 100 times more than you to receive the exact same services again?

and why doesn't the same thing apply to food, gas, houses, etc?

because the government has convinced you that its ok to take more from the successful because the smarter, better, more able owe it to you?

you must have dropped out of school if THAT'S what you learned in this thread

12clicks, instead of making endless gfy threads why don't you do something about it? Apply for a job in santorums team or something, instead of wiriting on a porn board about politics every time you're back home in moms basement from your job at mcDonalds.

you sure do have a point, no doubt, and America is not the only country with that problem.

But: When a country allows companies to employ people for $5 per hour and this person makes a total of maybe $10,000 per year, taking 30% tax from those people would be a little unfair, wouldn't it?

but making companies pay them $20 per hour would ruin many companies, no doubt about that either.

so i can live with the fact that below a certain yearly income no tax is owed. call it a subsidy and probably better than paying them unemployement benefits.

and unfortunately not everyone can be as smart as we are and take care of themselves :winkwink:

150 non paying income tax leaches ....

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Check out his work :

http://www.miketheroofer.com/gallery/doghouse_sepia.jpg

Another happy client and Ron is making money out of his ass ... ( sig missing )

49% of the US is not making $5 per hour.
do you understand the problem?
the nico-ts, tony404s, and the like have been bread to believe that they failed because the successful cheated. since they cheated, the bottom is owed a free ride.

oh look, the troll is awake.

what's it like to spend all day attempting to pee up at your betters?