What? They don't have a fucking choice. There is no negotiation. It's simple. Do it or see the door. Refuse to work = get the fuck out. I don't see firefighters refusing to work because a building is over *** meters tall.

Also, don't be a fucking vagina. Being a prison guard, logger, surgeon, or coal miner is a hard job. Bringing plates back and forth is NOT a hard job... unless you're fucking lazy.

Always trying to tip 10 - 15 pct. depending on the total sum and service.

But yes, if I'm with a local company, it usually makes other people at the table feel very uncomfortable and they take it as showing off because they usually don't want to tip anything at all or just a few CZK

Also if somebody gives me money to pay for the whole bill it will for 100 pct. not include any tip, so I may easily end up paying a tip for three or four people all together.

Unfortunately, it is, provided it's clearly stated by the restaurant. Seen it in a court case before. Customer lost and had to pay, because the restaurant had it stated clearly. The outcome was that if you didn't like their clearly stated policies, don't eat there. If you eat there, you're accepting what amounts to a contract.

Such is life, I guess!

If you think its easy try it. I would certainly have quit if I was forced to wait on large tables for free. When you go to a restaurant you are not buying food, but an experience. If you don't want to pay for it, you should go to a grocery store or a McDonalds or some shit.

its like its on the menu ,you dont like it get up and walk out. My friend works at a high end restaurant here and some big r&b singer came in late and stayed late and he was a very shitty tip. In my experience black people were weak tips(I worked as a bartender), I had a gf yrs ago and she worked at a olive garden mostly black clientele and she had horror story after horror story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_tipping wonder if this will be the first case to challenge this issue in court and win.

no such thing as a one sided contract. both sides have to agree.

This I totally agree on. Cultural. Not racial either...cultural.

See above. That shit doesn't fly over here. Over here large parties get discount because they bring in a shitload of money and aren't considered a pest and a nuisance because they're not eating with <4 people.

It really amazes me how fucked up some places are.

how on earth can you be punished for bringing too many customers... the whole tipping culture is bullshit, tip for good service and that's it, if it's shit you should get nothing and start doing your job better!

I work hard for my money. If you want my money, as a waiter, you better work hard for it in return. I have no problem paying 20% for good service, I also have no problem paying 5% for poor service.

I should never have to seek out a waiter in order to get a drink. If I do, you are getting 5%.

I go to a restaurant to be waited on. For an experience. I can get good food, and cheaper, at home.

Amazing, isn't it?


Order in bulk at Amazon and you get a discount
Order in bulk at a restaurant and get fined :helpme

Oh please. We both know I'm not going to go out and get a job as a waiter. Don't be such an knee-jerk emotional faggot. We also both know that waitering is not difficult, which is why it's a magnet for the lazy and unskilled. It may be poorly paid, but if you genuinely believe it's particularly difficult then I feel sorry for you. The fact that you would clearly struggle to hold down a job as a waiter is pretty pathetic.

Restaurants should certainly pay a fixed wage, but if you take a commission-based job, you have no right to complain. None. Refuse to serve large tables? You can't pick and choose which tables you want to serve. Forget the drama and bullshit. Do the job properly or just quit. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Also, it is not my responsibility to pay the waitstaff salary, in the same way that I don't go around giving $10 to supermarket shelf stackers or flagging down police cars and handing them rolls of 20s.

The only business model where you pay the staff to wander around and "come see how you're making out" from time to time.

I gotta agree with you on that, Service in Amsterdam was shyte. The wait staff are the people that handle your food, and are also the intermediary between you and the kitchen, in the best cases, making sure that what the kitchen puts up, is up to par. They ensure that you're looked after in a timely fashion, that you aren't served beer that's under poured and if you're there 2 mins before they stop serving food, that perhaps the kitchen will sneak in that last order. Why? Because they are hoping you show a little gratitude at the end. You remove that, and you are left with people who get paid regardless if you walk out of there happy, or with the impression that you wont go back.

As for the US.. at many high end restaurants, I find some waitstaff overbearing. They have to find that happy medium between meeting my dining needs, and being scarce.

As a side note. Tip were given To Insure Prompt Service, and was given at the start of a meal as an incentive.

The fact that they can legally pay only $2.13 an hour is what is outrageous, but dont mind me I'm completely cynical of that business model as often stated.

They whine with a large lobby for their industry, so thats that.

Where did you eat?

Ate at the Pub, The Hard Rock, and a steak place a bit further away. The Hard Rock shut the kitchen down 10 mins early and served Beer that was half full. One of the guys at the table commented that if you did that in Scotland they would smack you over the head with it. The waitress just shrugged it off. Its not like she gets paid any differently. The pub, we waited 15 mins just for a menu and someone to take a drink order.

charge it to the game

If you are as big an asshole IRL as you are on the board you have probably ingested a lot of bodily fluids that has no doubt been liberally sprinkled on your food in restaurants.

Oh, Amsterdam and the 'Half Full Pint'.

Us Brits will just never accept that a Dutch Pint is a Pint.

Wars have been fought for less.

There we go again with the emotional knee-jerk faggotry. And this makes waitering a difficult job... how?

Refusing to serve tables. :1orglaugh
Picking and choosing which tables to serve. :1orglaugh

Incoming hurt feelings report in 3, 2, 1...

Unfortunately, the pubs in Amsterdam are simply tourist traps. By default they don't have good food and bad service. All I can do is advise you to NEVER eat at the pubs.

What exactly do you mean by half full beers? Did they have a head or were they actually only half full? Because heads on beers are normal over here(cultural thing). Half empty glasses are not.

Other than that, there's good service and there's bad service.
Another factor you should take into account is the friendlyness.

Americans tend to be overly nice with fake smiles and exagerated interest in the customer. If you're used to that, Dutch waitresses might come across a bit disinterested. But that's simply the way we are.

I am well aware of that :1orglaugh

We actually don't like the headlessness in the UK :thumbsup

Hmmm. I wonder if you're Dopy, aka Susan...

It was a large group surcharge. It says on the menu. Don't like, don't fucking eat there. Go to Taco Bell where you do not need to pay that surcharge.
So kid is going to bust his ass with 10 black people needing refills every 20 seconds and then get tipped 1 dollar on 200 bill.. Nice.

Nigga please, You must have not watched the video because consumer guy (white old guy) explains it for dumb asses like you.

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Sure, tough guy.

Most mid-range restaurants will only alot a server 4 or 5 tables per shift, maybe 6-8 for an experienced one, or an average of 12-16 simultaneous customers max.

If a table of 12 people comes in, he has to handle them exclusively and cant take any other tables in order to give them the attention they need. Usually a group that size will not be in any hurry to leave and camp out awhile, effectively making that waiter's entire shift or a good portion of it a one-party affair.

If a waiter could normally make 100-200 a night hustling a larger group of higher turnover tables, and has to spend all day with one big table who then decides to leave a couple bucks or nothing, they are gonna be pissed. They are going to be one of the restaurants stronger servers or they wouldn't be trusted with a "bigtop" and they are going to have some pull with the manager because they are one of front of the house team's stronger players that likely picks up a lot of slack for noobs and trainees.

So that's why you get "gratted" in large groups.

As to whether it's difficult or not, note that most people that are past highschool and college age are also done waiting tables, the physical and mental demands are pretty high and are not inline with the minimal rewards. It's not a job for lazy people, at least not in decent restaurants, its more a job for people with a lot of energy who haven't figure out how to better capitalize on that energy yet.

Right..so..regardless of what the rules are etc etc....can you explain to me WHY a surcharge for larger groups is okay?

So far I've seen several people talk about it but I can't find any other reason for them defending it other than "it's always been that way".

Tell me, why do you feel you should pay a surcharge if you come with larger groups?

Black people are lousy tippers. $2 max on 50 dollar tab. I waited tables thru college and never got one good tip from black person. Thank god I worked in high priced Italian place and we didn't have that many. Even black waiter didn't want to wait on them. We used to pay hostess few dollars to take them to someone else station.
Same goes for prom kids and Mary Kay bitches.

Shame you're still shit at it. :1orglaugh

Because you take entire section of one particular waiter. You take his time, efforts and money. He needs to pay his bills too, you know. Working big party is like working corporate event or private party that takes up entire restaurant. Get the idea? Ask those that rented entire restaurant for an event. Do you think service charge was optional? Fuck now.

If you have to worry about whether not you have to pay an extra 17% grat. at a restaurant, then eat at home. Problem solved.

dont know where you guys get half full beers but i live here all my live and ive never gotten a half full beer.

I do agree that around here the time between sitting down -> when the waiter arrives, is way too long. Extremely annoying. Takes too long? I walk away. But that has improved the last couple of years though.

being from Czech i give usually 10 percent too, if i am satisfied. if not, then 5 percent and if the things went wrong usually under 5 percent.

Please do everyone a favor. Stay in fucking Czech and don't ever come here. You're not invited.

Of course it's hard menial labor, which is why people like me think they should be paid more. PAID more, not tipped more. Paid by the company that hires them what their work is worth. The system should change from the top down, not from the bottom up.

You know, in other places you go into a restaurant and sit down, you have a buzzer on your table to ring and a waiter comes instantly, they take your order as soon as YOU are ready to order. They bring the food as soon as it's cooked. They aren't allowed to accept tips. And the business (amazingly? miraculously?) thrives. I know.. it can be hard to imagine such a thing exists when we're so used to the way things are here.

Main reason is that wait staff in most U.S. jurisdictions are paid far below minimum wage to around $2 per hour. Crazy, but sadly true.

Where I live, Pennsylvania, wait staff can, in many instances, legally be paid low as $2.83 per hour.

Serving a large group can potentially involve multiple wait staff, though more likely, one person dedicated, as in assigned to few if any other tables, to serving that group - if the group doesn't tip sufficiently, the wait staff person is likely earn close to nothing during their shift...

Or to put it another way, serving a large group for a wait staff person is akin to having all their eggs in one basket - hence the often mandatory tip and/or group surcharge.

Restaurants should be required to pay full minimum wage, not counting tips, like most all other employers do.

you can't lock someone in a room. they paid the bill the tip was in question. i bet their meeting with a lawyer 2 day https://gfy.com/images/icons/heee.gif

as someone who use to be a waiter, let me tell you something.
1. tips are actually mandatory as wait stuff are taxed by the government on 10%
so. so they actually pay tax on that 10% tip you were supposed to give them.

2. If someone is a dick, they dont deserve a tip.

Most wait staff are friendly good looking people, for most of you trolls it is as close as you will get to a hot girl or a hot guy. So you should be nice, they are handling your food for fuck sake.

The last time i waited a table, they gave me 23 cents as a tip.
I was probably the best waiter going at the time. I could have been serving at 5 Star restaurants, but instead i was at an average restaurant. I made from 100 on a low night to 400 on a good night.

When they gave me 23 cents i was currently working night and day. Day at Dell computers in sales, and then at night as a waiter. I walked out into the parking lot, caught up with their car and gave them back the 23 cents.
then i went inside and told everyone what i had done. Then i went to the change room, as i came out the manager was there to tell me i didnt need to work that night... no shit sherlock
I was headed to Peterborough to go to a PArty, my first weekend off in 2 years.
Fuck your restaurant..lol

Anyway, these days i top standard 10%...and 20% if they are hot..or did a wicked job.

http://i.imgur.com/IlpSh.jpg

Is not a pint!! :error

That's also not "half full".

Easier said than done.

It is the standard here.

Kidnapping was the first thing that came to my mind.

Really? Where is that?

Dating waitresses can get expensive

hmmm, I have known no one that ever got paid that much except maybe back in the 70's

Does not excuse kidnapping.

You agree by sitting down and placing your order. It is called implied consent.

LOL! true, i was shocked that the "head" counted towards the pint. I had to go outside and push over a few bikes to feel better.

They didn't pay anything. They refused to pay the bill with service fee on it and police was called.
Tamisha thought it was way too much and she ain't getting paid not today, not tomorrow. So suck on this. LOL

The video clearly states that they paid it already so it's over with.

Huh? I'm buying food because I'm fucking hungry. In my entire life I have never heard someone say "I'm not hungry but lets go in there, I want to have an experience" :error

You might not say it, but internally you probably think it. You want to sit down, be waited on, and not have to take care of the dishes.

I can eat better food and cheaper at home.

she paid the bill when the officers arrived.

this country is a joke. push the wage off on the customer and let the owner get all the profit. scam 101 :2 cents:

Tipping should be eliminated completely.

The sub culture of wait staff thinking they are somehow special and not actually working a shit job is a farce and it should also be eliminated. Any profession where spitting in someones food is understandable has real problems.

Even in a nice restaurant the job is on the level of a car salesman, in my opinion. Not to be respected.

Most issues revolving around this start with wait staff thinking they are somehow better than they are.

EDIT: I guess I should say, I am fine with the majority of servers who perform their job adequately and whom I tip adequately. But the whole prima donna bullshit needs to change.